Door Threshold Busted...

[Humpy]

Nor does not seeing any become a proof they are there. I was actually at the hardware store picking one out a month ago. You could see the backs of them and that there were no screw holes or screws included.



Most of them do not have fasteners and their installation guide does not suggest this. Of course one that did have fasteners and holes would mention it.



Depends on your definition of makes sense. The majority aren't fastened into concrete on new installations and don't come loose until either the wood core rots out or the frame does. It would then follow that it makes no sense to go to extra steps to *fix* something that isn't a problem.

However, let's dig into specifics. Here is one that looks like the pictured threshold. It may or may not be exactly the same but it is still an example of one of many that don't have mounting holes or hardware:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Frost-Ki...er-Brown-Fixed-Sill-Threshold-TS36A/100207958

Notice there aren't screw holes and the vinyl trim is not designed to be popped off the top and snapped back on so it would hide any, rather it slides into the channel from the side during manufacture and is stapled to the back.

Did you read the page you linked to?

The first review says something about the instructions asking for the vinyl to be removed in order to install fasteners. I'm sure you could find some even shittier products to link to if you tried. Maybe even post a link to some of Frost King's instructions if you are feeling up to it.

I've installed hundreds of thresholds, I'm sure Greenman has as well, and I can only think of maybe one instance (unknown location of radiant heat) where it made sense not to screw them down. It is the simplest part of the job.

 

[mindless1]

Did you read the page you linked to?

The first review says something about the instructions asking for the vinyl to be removed in order to install fasteners. I'm sure you could find some even shittier products to link to if you tried. Maybe even post a link to some of Frost King's instructions if you are feeling up to it.

I've installed hundreds of thresholds, I'm sure Greenman has as well, and I can only think of maybe one instance (unknown location of radiant heat) where it made sense not to screw them down. It is the simplest part of the job.

If the first review stated that then the first reviewer is an idiot posting in error. If you understand anything about physics and materials then you know based on the picture that it is not designed to have the plastic strip removed and put back once installation is started.

Shitty product or not, it is what it is, a product among the majority that happens to look like the picture. It is typical, not something unusual.

You seem to be arguing about ideals, what you would do in a perfect world while I am talking about how things are, the reality of actually doing it.

Nobody is stopping anyone from screwing down everything they own to concrete, but then eventually some will realize "know what... this might be overkill".

 

[Humpy]

...idiot posting in error...

OK

Believe what you will.

 

[Greenman]

If the first review stated that then the first reviewer is an idiot posting in error. If you understand anything about physics and materials then you know based on the picture that it is not designed to have the plastic strip removed and put back once installation is started.

Shitty product or not, it is what it is, a product among the majority that happens to look like the picture. It is typical, not something unusual.

You seem to be arguing about ideals, what you would do in a perfect world while I am talking about how things are, the reality of actually doing it.

Nobody is stopping anyone from screwing down everything they own to concrete, but then eventually some will realize "know what... this might be overkill".

You're awfully worked up about a minor issue.
If you don't want to screw down a threshold then don't do it. I don't mind and I'm sure Humpy doesn't either. The point I'm trying to make is that for me as a contractor it makes sense to screw them down because that way I'll never get a callback. Callbacks suck, I don't get paid to do the job the second time, so all the time it takes me to drive to the site and correct a minor issue is wasted, it's money I'll never earn. One screw prevents that from ever happening.

 

[alkemyst]

You're awfully worked up about a minor issue.
If you don't want to screw down a threshold then don't do it. I don't mind and I'm sure Humpy doesn't either. The point I'm trying to make is that for me as a contractor it makes sense to screw them down because that way I'll never get a callback. Callbacks suck, I don't get paid to do the job the second time, so all the time it takes me to drive to the site and correct a minor issue is wasted, it's money I'll never earn. One screw prevents that from ever happening.

QFT, doors get walked-through. All it would take with just goop holding it down is a kid running through it and bumping it.

Also with just a sealant vs a construction adhesive, changing it later is easier.

 

[Zorba]

I glued in a replacement threshold once on concrete, never had a problem with it. Of course it was my last day in the house and it became the next guy's problem .

Original threshold wasn't sealed down and had a gap that let a ton of water in, rotting it out pretty quick (only 4 years old).

 

[slag]

and it's not like doing it makes any sense. Nobody you have ever met would accidentally kick it and cause a problem.

There is no sane reason to bolt this to concrete. Even if you're some nut case that thinks the sky is falling and end of world is seconds away, it still has no purpose to make that any more sturdy than the rest of the door and frame.

I have a threshold on a cement floor that needs to be screwed down. The fact that there is a step down right in front of the door is a sure sign people will kick, scuff, and drag their feet over it. Screwing it to the concrete is a much better idea than just using glue imho. I have one that needs to be rescrewed down as they have all broken but it has been like that since I bought the house. I'm going to glue and screw it down so it doesn't move.