DOS tool discovered for Obamacare site

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Hayabusa Rider

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According to the article there isnt any evidence this tool has affected healthcare.gov.

TLDR?

Of course, there's no way of knowing who wrote and posted the tool, which has been mentioned on social media sites. It's certainly possible that it's the work of critics of President Obama's healthcare legislation. But until we learn more, there's no way to rule out the possibility that it was developed by an Obamacare supporter with the hope of discrediting critics.
 

Genx87

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Claims it hasnt had any measurable effect.

Arbor researcher Marc Eisenbarth said there's no evidence Healthcare.gov has withstood any significant denial-of-service attacks since going live last month. He also said the limited request rate, the lack of significant distribution, and other features of the tool's underlying code made it unlikely that it could play a significant role in taking down the site.
 

glenn1

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This has me laughing:

http://arstechnica.com/security/201...vice-attack-aimed-directly-at-healthcare-gov/

Basically it seems like there are people out there that will not stop at anything to try and bring down Obamacare, even going to far as to sabotaging the website via DDoS.

If you want to protest the ACA, don't sign up for Obamacare. Don't try to sabotage it for the people that actually want to use it. That's just plain stupid.

LOL, I'm in ur website, killing ur affordable care d00dz....

So hackers are the latest waypoint on who to blame for why Obamacare is a miserable failure. We already know the buck doesn't stop with Obama, but now they've outsourced the problem altogether to a mysterious, unnamed evil force. Bad Anonymous, bad hacker!
 

werepossum

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LOL, I'm in ur website, killing ur affordable care d00dz....

So hackers are the latest waypoint on who to blame for why Obamacare is a miserable failure. We already know the buck doesn't stop with Obama, but now they've outsourced the problem altogether to a mysterious, unnamed evil force. Bad Anonymous, bad hacker!
LOL
 

Svnla

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LOL, I'm in ur website, killing ur affordable care d00dz....

So hackers are the latest waypoint on who to blame for why Obamacare is a miserable failure. We already know the buck doesn't stop with Obama, but now they've outsourced the problem altogether to a mysterious, unnamed evil force. Bad Anonymous, bad hacker!


Well, Obama adminisration tried to pin it on the popularity of the website...but there are several problems about that:

At the time, President Obama was still arguing that the main culprit for the breakdowns was the popularity of the site. “The website got overwhelmed by the volume,” he said on Oct. 4. The reality, of course, was far more dire.

The basic architecture of the site, built by federal contractors overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services, was flawed in design, poorly tested and ultimately not functional. “You need there to be good people on the inside to make good contracting decisions and good people on the outside to do the work,” explained Clay Johnson, a Democratic technology consultant who recently worked as a White House fellow. “Right now, it’s the blind leading the blind.”

Even on the back end of the site, data was garbled and, in some cases, unusable.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_1...ed-final-security-requirements-before-launch/

The bus got stucked not because too many people tried to get on but because the tires were flat, the engine had no coolant and oil, and the driver was a half blinded and deaf 89 years old grandma.
 
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cubby1223

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Interesting how fuzzy thinking and bogus factual presumptions preclude any concept of rational analysis or thought on the conservative side.

Chill.

Part of my job is to program websites and I understand that very few websites ever get released on the release date specified by management. I've never once criticized Obamacare over website glitches. And I never support internet service attacks, search my past comments.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Interesting how fuzzy thinking and bogus factual presumptions preclude any concept of rational analysis or thought on the conservative side.

Considering the failure of the opposing side to read the article in full, but automatically assumed it was the right, rational analysis and thought seem to be absent regardless of ideology. Even if it turns out that the worst possible individuals of the worst possible group were responsible for this from the right it will not change that the foolish presumption of guilt will have been made. The article clearly states what is factually known at this time and "fuzzy thinking" seems to have been the best some can do.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Counting this post I count 5 leftie posts. And 25 rightie posts deflecting blame. :whiste: the pot calling the kettle black as usual

So how about counting the ones which called BS on those who said something that the article doesn't even state?
 

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Assuming it happened: Does ones opinion on the issue change depending on the Source of the DDOS attack?

For eg, Are Political Opponents doing it as a form of Protest, ok? Are Chinese or other foreign Hackers doing it to cause instability within the US, ok?
 

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Assuming it happened: Does ones opinion on the issue change depending on the Source of the DDOS attack?

For eg, Are Political Opponents doing it as a form of Protest, ok? Are Chinese or other foreign Hackers doing it to cause instability within the US, ok?

The first good point to come out of this.
 

werepossum

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Counting this post I count 5 leftie posts. And 25 rightie posts deflecting blame. :whiste: the pot calling the kettle black as usual
LOL Deflecting blame from the culprits who are totally unknown? Is that even theoretically possible?

Apparently this has had no impact on the web site, so it cannot really change our views on the website's problems or on Obamacare. It shouldn't really have any impact on our reaction to those perpetrating the theoretical DOS attack either, as neither foreign hackers nor desperate progressives nor irate conservatives nor perpetually pissed off anarchists have any legitimate and acceptable reason to attack a web site where people voluntarily sign up for a product that most of us want, even accepting that there is a government penalty for not buying it and government is forcing some expensive changes most of us don't want or need. Thus your accusation of deflecting blame is nonsensical on several levels. Congratulations, I suppose.
 

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It takes a truly deranged and shitty person to protest a law they don't like by preventing others from accessing health care. What the hell is wrong with people.

They're standing up for the rights of others. The constitution does not give any right to the federal government that allows them to force citizens to pay for health care or pay a penalty for not having it.
 

OverVolt

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It takes a truly deranged and shitty person to protest a law they don't like by preventing others from accessing health care. What the hell is wrong with people.

What? Explain. Who can afford Obamacare but not private insurance?
 

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They're standing up for the rights of others. The constitution does not give any right to the federal government that allows them to force citizens to pay for health care or pay a penalty for not having it.

You and he seem to be missing the important fact that no one knows who did this or why. One cannot draw conclusions when it is clearly stated that the facts are not known.
 

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I find it more interesting that the philosophy that a DDoS/DOS is no longer seen as equivalent to a sit-in protest once it affects something near and dear to certain ideologies.
 

werepossum

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They're standing up for the rights of others. The constitution does not give any right to the federal government that allows them to force citizens to pay for health care or pay a penalty for not having it.
Technically that's probably true, but SCOTUS ruled that as a tax, it's acceptable. Philosophically I'd tend to agree, but as it's not acceptable in America for people to go without health care, practically we have a problem as people now have the ability to buy a new smart phone rather than buy insurance knowing that if they have an emergency or contract a life-threatening condition, we'll pick up the tab and attempt to collect later. So to have a sustainable system we have to either deny all health care to those without money or health insurance, or have some mechanism to force people into the system. Both have good and bad sides, but sure the latter is the lesser evil.

What? Explain. Who can afford Obamacare but not private insurance?
People who are receiving subsidies or who previously were unable to find affordable insurance (not cheap, but literally affordable) due to existing high risk factors.

One can afford anything and everything if someone else picks up the tab.
 

Atreus21

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sandorski

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I find it more interesting that the philosophy that a DDoS/DOS is no longer seen as equivalent to a sit-in protest once it affects something near and dear to certain ideologies.

The difference between those 2 is that one is Anonymous(not the group ...although who knows? ), the other is people openly putting themselves in the way. One is avoiding consequence, the other is fully prepared to accept consequence.
 
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Gotta love the hypocrisy from the left. They're angry about this but have no problem with the Cloward-Piven strategy.
 
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