DOS tool discovered for Obamacare site

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Fern

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Bring down a site that doesn't work? Overload a page you can't get into to begin with?

LOL, my first thought as well.

Maybe they should hire the people who wrote the DOS software to work on Halthcare.gov since that program seems to actually work.

IDK, since the article says the hack was poorly designed and ineffective I'm thinking it's the same group of people; the Obamacare group.

Fern
 

CountZero

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Gotta love the hypocrisy from the left. They're angry about this but have no problem with the Cloward-Piven strategy.

Given the only sources that mention this strategy being used at all are far right I'm going to go ahead and say 1) there is zero real proof this strategy is being applied and 2) there is zero evidence that "the left" supports this strategy.

You have some numbers to back up the assertion that the majority of left leaning people support the collapse of welfare via overloading in order to bring about a national guaranteed wage or did you make that up?

I personally doubt this is the work of some vast right wing conspiracy, more likely it is an obvious LOLs target given how much it has been in the news lately. If it was a right wing thing it would likely be the work of one or two crackpots not some RNC funded item. Obama has already shot himself in the foot, getting your fingerprints on intentionally making it worse is a massive gamble with little payoff. I also doubt it is some DNC funded effort for largely the same reason, massive gamble small payoff.
 

Jhhnn

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Seems I remember these tactics being from the playbook of liberal radicals - purposefully overload the system to force change.

These evil, evil people doing the same thing liberals do.

Ooooh! Ooooh! I'll take straw man & false equivalency for $1000, Alex!
 
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Imagine how juicy it would be if it were publicly revealed that the Republicans or Tea Partiers sabotaged the website.
 
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michal1980

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It takes a truly deranged and shitty person to protest a law they don't like by preventing others from accessing health care. What the hell is wrong with people.

I'm sure you complained and bitched about the 99% bitches sitting in, blocking traffic etc etc.

Fake out rage, is fake.


PS...

Why aren't you ripping your dear leader Obama, who put up a site that for weeks has prevented people for accessing health care. The Horror. The what a monster Obama is.

Oh wait, your too far up his ass.
 
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I'm sure you complained and bitched about the 99% bitches sitting in, blocking traffic etc etc.

Fake out rage, is fake.


PS...

Why aren't you ripping your dear leader Obama, who put up a site that for weeks has prevented people for accessing health care. The Horror. The what a monster Obama is.

Oh wait, your too far up his ass.

Him and many others have this problem. In their mind obama can do no wrong and is always right.


Given the only sources that mention this strategy being used at all are far right I'm going to go ahead and say 1) there is zero real proof this strategy is being applied and 2) there is zero evidence that "the left" supports this strategy.

You have some numbers to back up the assertion that the majority of left leaning people support the collapse of welfare via overloading in order to bring about a national guaranteed wage or did you make that up?

I personally doubt this is the work of some vast right wing conspiracy, more likely it is an obvious LOLs target given how much it has been in the news lately. If it was a right wing thing it would likely be the work of one or two crackpots not some RNC funded item. Obama has already shot himself in the foot, getting your fingerprints on intentionally making it worse is a massive gamble with little payoff. I also doubt it is some DNC funded effort for largely the same reason, massive gamble small payoff.

obama is using the Cloward-Piven strategy. He blamed the free market for the 2008 crash when the government was responsible. He falsely claims that free market healthcare doesn't work and single payer is needed. He keeps blaming the free market when it had nothing to do with the problem and then argues the government can fix it.
 

sactoking

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And here I was thinking that someone had ported healthcare.gov into a Disk Operating System format.
 

werepossum

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And here I was thinking that someone had ported healthcare.gov into a Disk Operating System format.
LOL I had that same thought when I first saw the thread, thought it was going to be about some MS-DOS code reused for the Obamacare website.

I can't see why this would be some leftist plot given that for those who do get through, the website doesn't work. It could well be from a rightee who understands something of the basics, but did not understand the massive number of machines necessary to make a DoS attack work. My own wild-ass guess would be just another anarchist who reflexively hate everything about government.
 

BoberFett

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Imagine how juicy it would be if it were publicly revealed that the Republicans or Tea Partiers sabotaged the website.

Or if it was discovered that the White House ordered this tool to be created in order to cover up his incompetence and then attack his enemies?

Hey, as long as we're throwing out wild theories...
 

CountZero

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Him and many others have this problem. In their mind obama can do no wrong and is always right.

Hilarious coming from someone as anti-Obama as you. Swap the words wrong and right and you pretty much have everything I've seen you put up on this board.

obama is using the Cloward-Piven strategy. He blamed the free market for the 2008 crash when the government was responsible. He falsely claims that free market healthcare doesn't work and single payer is needed. He keeps blaming the free market when it had nothing to do with the problem and then argues the government can fix it.

So no numbers backing up the assertion the left support Cloward-Piven.

Then you make a list of claims but have no support behind them (just FYI I don't mean on Obama blaming free markets though my guess is it isn't as black/white as you claim but I mean in your assertions on where responsibility lies). Then you claim the free market is blameless which is a conclusion I can't imagine any person that rationally looked at the financial crisis or healthcare in the US would actually come to.

You also make the unstated conclusion that the government being at all responsible for these items means it was some kind of intentional Cloward-Piven strategy.

TLl;DR: You claim a bunch of stuff as being 100% black/white and do so without any supporting evidence.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yes, it would.

As potentially amusing as that might be I doubt that any higher level representative of any recognized political faction is responsible. The Tea Party didn't run out and do this, but for that matter Obama didn't either.

It's most likely some subset of people for or against it, or as likely to me it's someone who's having us all on and watching the fun while one group tries to stick the other with the blame.
 
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Hilarious coming from someone as anti-Obama as you. Swap the words wrong and right and you pretty much have everything I've seen you put up on this board.



So no numbers backing up the assertion the left support Cloward-Piven.

Then you make a list of claims but have no support behind them (just FYI I don't mean on Obama blaming free markets though my guess is it isn't as black/white as you claim but I mean in your assertions on where responsibility lies). Then you claim the free market is blameless which is a conclusion I can't imagine any person that rationally looked at the financial crisis or healthcare in the US would actually come to.

You also make the unstated conclusion that the government being at all responsible for these items means it was some kind of intentional Cloward-Piven strategy.

TLl;DR: You claim a bunch of stuff as being 100% black/white and do so without any supporting evidence.

It's not my fault that obama has done so much wrong. He chose to do those things so of course I will criticize him. Why don't you call out the liberals who always defend obama?
 

blankslate

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Imagine how juicy it would be if it were publicly revealed that the Republicans or Tea Partiers sabotaged the website.

I don't think that sabotage from the inside happened but if this DoS tool is legit then it shows that some people were willing to engage in known methods for sabotaging a site remotely.
 

IEC

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Things that make one say Hmmmmmmmm.

Will we be hearing certain people claim this is why the site hasn't worked properly rather than due to poorly written/tested code?

This "DDOS" tool is so poorly written and ineffectual it wouldn't even be responsible for 0.01% of the problems of Healthcare.gov. The blame lies squarely with the gov and their shitty design and project management.

Call me cynical, but I find it very convenient that news of such a tool is announced right as HHS and FedGov are looking to blame anything and everything they can (contractors, timelines, "right-wingers", unicorns) rather than accept responsibility for fucking up.
 

michal1980

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I don't think that sabotage from the inside happened but if this DoS tool is legit then it shows that some people were willing to engage in known methods for sabotaging a site remotely.

what we need are good only sit-ins. Just like the liberal wacko's like eskimopy organized this week in Washington.

Whats the difference between a sit in an a DOS? both can be considered protests.
 

werepossum

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As potentially amusing as that might be I doubt that any higher level representative of any recognized political faction is responsible. The Tea Party didn't run out and do this, but for that matter Obama didn't either.

It's most likely some subset of people for or against it, or as likely to me it's someone who's having us all on and watching the fun while one group tries to stick the other with the blame.
LOL Hey y'all, watch this shit.

what we need are good only sit-ins. Just like the liberal wacko's like eskimopy organized this week in Washington.

Whats the difference between a sit in an a DOS? both can be considered protests.
More chicks with hairy legs get nailed and fewer Cheetos are consumed in a sit-in. That is the difference.
 

Atreus21

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Hey, on the bright side, the .gov could claim that traffic to their site is so heavy it brought down the web servers.
 

Brian Stirling

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Given the only sources that mention this strategy being used at all are far right I'm going to go ahead and say 1) there is zero real proof this strategy is being applied and 2) there is zero evidence that "the left" supports this strategy.

You have some numbers to back up the assertion that the majority of left leaning people support the collapse of welfare via overloading in order to bring about a national guaranteed wage or did you make that up?

I personally doubt this is the work of some vast right wing conspiracy, more likely it is an obvious LOLs target given how much it has been in the news lately. If it was a right wing thing it would likely be the work of one or two crackpots not some RNC funded item. Obama has already shot himself in the foot, getting your fingerprints on intentionally making it worse is a massive gamble with little payoff. I also doubt it is some DNC funded effort for largely the same reason, massive gamble small payoff.


That sounds reasonable and one would think any direct party action would be too risky, but there are examples of planned action like this. The hack into the climate scientists emails a few years ago was clearly the work of a well financed group that revealed the choicest bits just as the policy on climate was being debated and then, a year later when the policy was being debated again revealed more of the cherry picked emails.

It would be risky for either party to do this but they tend to hire cuttouts...


Brian
 
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