Double Hype

[pentiumobile]

Oh My God I read this thread?

Disappointed with my X2 3800+

I almost mull over the 2X3800 for my gaming RIG, but thanks to that post?I am taking other direction.

To be frank, I think is kinda "hype" because one month ago everybody was recommending it handsdown as the best "bang bucker"

Now that group is bad-tempered since they DON?T knew what multitasking was, and they don?t see the performance increase.

Bottomline:

Do you still think 2X processors is attracting the GAMING consumer as one month ago, given the fact that you can save the extrabucks on a faster SINGLECORE???

 

[livinloud]

Right no it's not a gaming CPU just because the program as not be coded for dual core but for single core, that's why we see small difference. Right now it's a hype but it's future proof, it's for people doing multitasking to.

 

[harobikes333]

yup excellent reply livinloud

 

[NeezyDeezy]

I'd say it's gaining popularity even.

 

[DaveSimmons]

One month ago many people (not me) recommended X2 for future proofing and to steal tunes, movies and warez while gaming at full speed. People like me pointed out that for single-tasking an X2 offers almost no extra value right now.

Anyone who bought an X2 based on recommendations and is disappointed with its gaming performance _right now_ either can't read or is not very bright.

 

[harobikes333]

Exactly. I myself have a 780mhz processor with integrated graphics.... so you get the picture. I need a new computer and now. Seeing that I multitask alot and that I don't really play games alot and that I'm going to love a new computer and also since going from this computer to the new one I'm working on will be crazy good I'm going to get a 3800 X2

 

[n7]

If you're on a tight budget, get a single core.

But if you can, go with a dual core.

Why?

Well, for starters, both ATi & nVidia's drivers support dual core now, meaning you get a performance boost in games over single core.
Also, more games are starting to utilize dual core. Q4 & Serious Sam 2 to name a couple.

Also, if you do any kind of work with video editting/encoding/authoring, most likely the program you use is multithreaded.

Honestly, when i bought my X2, i didn't expect much benefit save for heavy multitasking. However, i've discovered that a lot of programs are already multithreaded, which only sweetens teh deal.

 

[pentiumobile]

Lets put it this way, to instruct people (like me) that were fascinated by the 2X hype on gaming?

What processor is worth the 2X 3800+ place on the price/performance ratio???

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: pentiumobile
Lets put it this way, to instruct people (like me) that were fascinated by the 2X hype on gaming?

What processor is worth the 2X 3800+ place on the price/performance ratio???

None.

The X2 3800+ is the best price/performance CPU out there (not counting the impossible to find Opteron 165)

 

[pentiumobile]

Any benchmark that supports your argument??

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: pentiumobile
Any benchmark that supports your argument??

Try www.anandtech.com

It sounds like you've already convinced yourself you don't need dual core, so why don't you just grab a 3000+ or 3200+ & be done with things

X2s aren't for everyone, but they allow for a much longer future, since everything's headed toward parallelism.

 

[themusgrat]

n7 is right, the 3800 is the best combination of performance, futureproofing, and cost effectiveness. I got a 4200 on the hope that it would overclock better than a 3800, but no, its exactly the same. The 3800 is great. Get it if you can. If not, there are still really good single cores to be had.

 

[CraigSlice]

I was thinking of getting a 4200+ X2 (parents paying half for christmas), everyone i talked to recommended one for various reason, but one thing is games eventually taking advantage of dualcore.

Basically i game and thats it...Is is better to just get a 4000+ San Diego (again parents would paying for half so) or get the 4200+ X2 because games will EVENTUALLY start using its capabilities?

btw, is there a better opteron thats $400 bucks or less than the 4000+?

 

[LarryK]

I am a graphic design minor painting and drawing major but I still do a lot of graphic's work for me the AMD3000+ just is not cutting an plus I am a duel monitor man my computer does everything I am very excited to get mine will be nice with EQ2 and multitasking wish I had just bought it out right but I was on a tight budget. Thank you x-mas mom dad. =P

 

[pentiumobile]

To Craig Slice:

Almost same question as us

Read that, my man.

I think i am going for the X2 3800.

PD: Tell me your opinion of that thread

 

[Unkno]

mult-threaded drivers (already released) improves the fps a little with dual-cores AND it's not even matured yet.

 

[CraigSlice]

Originally posted by: pentiumobile
To Craig Slice:

Almost same question as us

Read that, my man.

I think i am going for the X2 3800.

PD: Tell me your opinion of that thread

Read it, and it seems to be that i should go with the X2 4200+, I can overclock it to 2.4ghz or more if need, anyone know what i can safely OC it with stock heatsink+fan? (untill i can afford a better one)

Thanks for showing me the thread, it only seemed that only 1 person said singlecore, and i suppose it is true that in the future, game will take advantage of the dualcoreness

 

[harobikes333]

Yup, dual core is the future as you can see with the new chips coming out

 

[scott0482]

craigslice:

i would look for an opteron 170.. mwave and monarch have them for just under $400 according to froogle.. whether or not they are in stock is a different story..

but you should be able to get one for under $400..

also.. a 3800+ should oc to 2.4 ghz just as easily as a 4200+.. you can get one for $325 and buy a nice heatsink and it will still be cheaper than a 4200+

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: n7
If you're on a tight budget, get a single core.

But if you can, go with a dual core.

Why?

Well, for starters, both ATi & nVidia's drivers support dual core now, meaning you get a performance boost in games over single core.
Also, more games are starting to utilize dual core. Q4 & Serious Sam 2 to name a couple.

Also, if you do any kind of work with video editting/encoding/authoring, most likely the program you use is multithreaded.

Honestly, when i bought my X2, i didn't expect much benefit save for heavy multitasking. However, i've discovered that a lot of programs are already multithreaded, which only sweetens teh deal.

Here´s the boost u can expect with dualcore and gaming.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/cpu-games2/q4.png
http://www.amdzone.com/pics/gaming/quake4/dualcore/q4105bregfix.jpg

imo thats not worth the extra price if all u want is gaming, pr0n downloads, occasional media editing, trolling...buy a single core now, get a duallie next year.

 

[aLeoN]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
People like me pointed out that for single-tasking an X2 offers almost no extra value right now.

It's like a 3000+ Venice on stock, what's wrong with that? I've seen that normal single-thread applications get spread out across my 2 cores resulting in a lower load temp, if that's another reason to jump on to the X2. I didn't say anything about faster but it surely doesn't take any performance hits. Most games are GPU-dependant anyway, X2 3800+ hits a sweet spot in pricing for the performance.

 

[nortexoid]

As an avid gamer, and boy do I love board games, I would recommend the X2 over a single core. You can multitask while banking *and* playing monopoly at the same time. I have no trouble even managing properties all while my X2 is crunching SETI and looping through the directory structure of my hard drive and computing the decimal expansion of pi.

But the greatest benefit of all is that you get the added security of what I like to call "processor RAID"---if one of the cores dies, your computer remains entirely functional, and you don't even know that one of the cores has died. If you are dumb enough, you will never realize it.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

scary ;p

 

[CraigSlice]

Originally posted by: scott0482
craigslice:

i would look for an opteron 170.. mwave and monarch have them for just under $400 according to froogle.. whether or not they are in stock is a different story..

but you should be able to get one for under $400..

also.. a 3800+ should oc to 2.4 ghz just as easily as a 4200+.. you can get one for $325 and buy a nice heatsink and it will still be cheaper than a 4200+

Is there any performance difference between a 3800/4200 and an opteron 170? what makes it better basically? http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=BA22052 that the right one?

 

[scott0482]

the opteron has a 1mb cache per core vs 512kb.. also.. the IHS (integrated heat spreader) is supposedly a little better.. finally. opterons generally overclock more since they are tested to withstand a server environment...