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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Because people are stocking up on food, specifically. Costco in particular is out of stock daily on many things, especially cases of water and other bulk staples. People are worried there will be shortages.

Our roads are empty here. That has to be hurting retail businesses.

Anecdotally speaking, the retail stores I’ve visited were all pretty busy.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I don’t think it’s hitting Main Street at all yet. Have you been to the grocery stores? People are buying shit like crazy. A visit to your local Costco will show you that people’s baskets are filled with the same old stuff, no one is cutting back on anything.
Have you been to a restaurant?
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Have you been to a restaurant?

Not in a few weeks.

What I know is that local events are being cancelled here right and left. Pretty much all of them. That and travel restrictions from Europe have to be hurting the hotel business, restaurants, cabs and ride share and other related businesses. It's impossible that it's not.

Wait for the next jobs report.
 

esquared

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 8, 2000
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Jeezus, this fucking guy.


Fucking disgusting. Sick and dying people and he talks about the biggest jump in stock market history.
Despicable, self-serving, narcissistic, amoral POS.
 
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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Nope. I went to one tonight the parking lot is usually packed on Friday night and is shared by several restaurants. Tonight the parking lot was ~ 20% full.

The only place I'm seeing with full (or overfull rather) parking lots are grocery stores. Everything else is becoming a ghost town if it isn't already.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Trump spiking the football while the real economy grinds to a near total halt is certainly peak Trump.

The analogy I like is he basically took a shit on your polished hardwood floor, tried to hide it, and finally cleaned up after himself—then expects you to celebrate and thank him for cleaning up the mess.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I don’t think it’s hitting Main Street at all yet. Have you been to the grocery stores? People are buying shit like crazy. A visit to your local Costco will show you that people’s baskets are filled with the same old stuff, no one is cutting back on anything.

I think it depends where you are at. Not critical retail stores are starting to be shut. That means all the little local business will closed and their workers sent home, likely without pay.
Obviously no trade going on

Then there are the large events and all the contractors around that.

I'm also watching the trades as well. What happens to the plumbers, hvac, Carpenters remodelers etc. Who wants workers at their house right now?

I think certain industries will go into depression in the short term
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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I'm also wondering what Amazon will do. I imagine a lot of retail will go online, but what about the warehouse, distributors and drivers?
 

uallas5

Golden Member
Jun 3, 2005
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I'm also wondering what Amazon will do. I imagine a lot of retail will go online, but what about the warehouse, distributors and drivers?
They'll further the push towards automation...I bet automation gets a big lift out of this.
 
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uallas5

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Jun 3, 2005
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Have you been to a restaurant?

This. Lots of bartenders, servers, kitchen staff, etc. are getting laid off. Foxwoods Casino just announced that they're temporarily closing ALL their restaurants. I think only the food court is staying open because they lease. That's still hundreds of people out of work.

And there are others. The woman who watches my dog during the day is scrambling. She counts on this time of year for overnight business when people take vacations, they're all cancelling. There's lots of folks like this around the country that are going to get hammered.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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They'll further the push towards automation...I bet automation gets a big lift out of this.
I got an email from my retirement plan administrator reassuring me that it was business as usual with plan operations in this time of trouble. No shit, plan operations are completely automated.
 
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Fucking disgusting. Sick and dying people and he talks about the biggest jump in stock market history.
Despicable, self-serving, narcissistic, amoral POS.
Should he tell everyone how bad things are and how bad they will get? That's all we need is for more panic on the streets. I went to 5 stores this morning to find fucking toilet paper. Only reason I found some is because a store was stocked with some overnight and I was there when it opened. No I'm not hoarding it. I gave away two of the three packages I bought. I think I have enough for one month if I conserve it. People are losing their minds and the president doesn't need to add to that.
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
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Should he tell everyone how bad things are and how bad they will get? That's all we need is for more panic on the streets. I went to 5 stores this morning to find fucking toilet paper. Only reason I found some is because a store was stocked with some overnight and I was there when it opened. No I'm not hoarding it. I gave away two of the three packages I bought. I think I have enough for one month if I conserve it. People are losing their minds and the president doesn't need to add to that.

I have to agree. You probably couldn’t handle being told the truth. Better that the administration lies to you.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Should he tell everyone how bad things are and how bad they will get? That's all we need is for more panic on the streets. I went to 5 stores this morning to find fucking toilet paper. Only reason I found some is because a store was stocked with some overnight and I was there when it opened. No I'm not hoarding it. I gave away two of the three packages I bought. I think I have enough for one month if I conserve it. People are losing their minds and the president doesn't need to add to that.

62M Americans lost their minds when they voted for Trump in the first place. It all flows from here.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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Should he tell everyone how bad things are and how bad they will get? That's all we need is for more panic on the streets. I went to 5 stores this morning to find fucking toilet paper. Only reason I found some is because a store was stocked with some overnight and I was there when it opened. No I'm not hoarding it. I gave away two of the three packages I bought. I think I have enough for one month if I conserve it. People are losing their minds and the president doesn't need to add to that.

if only there were examples of speech where presidents reassured citizens during difficult times. no past president has even done that before.

I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impel. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.

In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties. They concern, thank God, only material things. Values have shrunken to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce; the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone.

More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.

Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.

Recognition of the falsity of material wealth as the standard of success goes hand in hand with the abandonment of the false belief that public office and high political position are to be valued only by the standards of pride of place and personal profit; and there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing. Small wonder that confidence languishes, for it thrives only on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection, on unselfish performance; without them it cannot live.

Restoration calls, however, not for changes in ethics alone. This Nation asks for action, and action now.

Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our natural resources.

Hand in hand with this we must frankly recognize the overbalance of population in our industrial centers and, by engaging on a national scale in a redistribution, endeavor to provide a better use of the land for those best fitted for the land. The task can be helped by definite efforts to raise the values of agricultural products and with this the power to purchase the output of our cities. It can be helped by preventing realistically the tragedy of the growing loss through foreclosure of our small homes and our farms. It can be helped by insistence that the Federal, State, and local governments act forthwith on the demand that their cost be drastically reduced. It can be helped by the unifying of relief activities which today are often scattered, uneconomical, and unequal. It can be helped by national planning for and supervision of all forms of transportation and of communications and other utilities which have a definitely public character. There are many ways in which it can be helped, but it can never be helped merely by talking about it. We must act and act quickly.

Finally, in our progress toward a resumption of work we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order; there must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments; there must be an end to speculation with other people’s money, and there must be provision for an adequate but sound currency.

There are the lines of attack. I shall presently urge upon a new Congress in special session detailed measures for their fulfillment, and I shall seek the immediate assistance of the several States.

Through this program of action we address ourselves to putting our own national house in order and making income balance outgo. Our international trade relations, though vastly important, are in point of time and necessity secondary to the establishment of a sound national economy. I favor as a practical policy the putting of first things first. I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment, but the emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment.

The basic thought that guides these specific means of national recovery is not narrowly nationalistic. It is the insistence, as a first consideration, upon the interdependence of the various elements in all parts of the United States—a recognition of the old and permanently important manifestation of the American spirit of the pioneer. It is the way to recovery. It is the immediate way. It is the strongest assurance that the recovery will endure.

In the field of world policy I would dedicate this Nation to the policy of the good neighbor—the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because he does so, respects the rights of others—the neighbor who respects his obligations and respects the sanctity of his agreements in and with a world of neighbors.

If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife.

With this pledge taken, I assume unhesitatingly the leadership of this great army of our people dedicated to a disciplined attack upon our common problems.

Action in this image and to this end is feasible under the form of government which we have inherited from our ancestors. Our Constitution is so simple and practical that it is possible always to meet extraordinary needs by changes in emphasis and arrangement without loss of essential form. That is why our constitutional system has proved itself the most superbly enduring political mechanism the modern world has produced. It has met every stress of vast expansion of territory, of foreign wars, of bitter internal strife, of world relations.

It is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.

I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.

But in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis—broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.

For the trust reposed in me I will return the courage and the devotion that befit the time. I can do no less.

We face the arduous days that lie before us in the warm courage of the national unity; with the clear consciousness of seeking old and precious moral values; with the clean satisfaction that comes from the stern performance of duty by old and young alike. We aim at the assurance of a rounded and permanent national life.

We do not distrust the future of essential democracy. The people of the United States have not failed. In their need they have registered a mandate that they want direct, vigorous action. They have asked for discipline and direction under leadership. They have made me the present instrument of their wishes. In the spirit of the gift I take it.

In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come.
 

snoopy7548

Diamond Member
Jan 1, 2005
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Should he tell everyone how bad things are and how bad they will get? That's all we need is for more panic on the streets. I went to 5 stores this morning to find fucking toilet paper. Only reason I found some is because a store was stocked with some overnight and I was there when it opened. No I'm not hoarding it. I gave away two of the three packages I bought. I think I have enough for one month if I conserve it. People are losing their minds and the president doesn't need to add to that.

A competent president would tell everyone the truth but also reassure them in order to ease the panic. Trump has done nothing of the sort, which has led us to the point of you not being able to find toilet paper.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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Should he tell everyone how bad things are and how bad they will get? That's all we need is for more panic on the streets. I went to 5 stores this morning to find fucking toilet paper. Only reason I found some is because a store was stocked with some overnight and I was there when it opened. No I'm not hoarding it. I gave away two of the three packages I bought. I think I have enough for one month if I conserve it. People are losing their minds and the president doesn't need to add to that.

I think the larger problem is that it's no longer even considered an option that this President could be able to speak to reassure the American people.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
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A competent president would tell everyone the truth but also reassure them in order to ease the panic. Trump has done nothing of the sort, which has led us to the point of you not being able to find toilet paper.
Bingo. The virus is not Trump's fault, but the total absence of credible leadership that has driven markets and people to panic absolutely is.
 
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