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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Officially in correction territory. Worst week for the Dow since the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs is telling investors to expect zero earnings growth for US stocks in 2020.

For once, I’m really, really hoping the President is right about something for a change and this all disappears in April.
 
Jan 25, 2011
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Officially in correction territory. Worst week for the Dow since the 2008 crisis. Goldman Sachs is telling investors to expect zero earnings growth for US stocks in 2020.

For once, I’m really, really hoping the President is right about something for a change and this all disappears in April.
Golman is expecting another 7% drop in the S&P but see possibility for recovery by end of year.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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And yet, like almost every other time this has happened for the last 4-5 years there will be an almost complete recovery the next day. At least 600 points back into the green.

I don't think this is like any other recent experience in the market. The fundamentals are just different with this event. It's not a case of investors being purely jittery, it's actual disruptions to personnel, production, distribution, supply, and demand. Real, practical problems facing the business sector on the ground level.

Of course these fundamental issues are exacerbated by the uncertainty over the depth of the problems, so the downturn should logically stabilize into a reflection of actual practical impacts after a better idea on the complete impacts are possible.

As yet, the way this virus is spreading seems extremely difficult to contain. More like something that will have to burn through populations until they've either recovered or not. At that point all we can do is hope the case fatality rate is as low as possible, and above all, no devastating mutations. The infections in Iran seem to be notably more deadly, we've seen deaths of young, obstensibly healthy individuals such as the 25yo nurse, and widespread affects on the hospitals and government institutions. This wasn't seen in Korea or Japan previously.

I think the various governments inability to consistently tell the truth about the situation and what know and don't know is making the situation worse both in care and management of the virus. And the uncertainty over the entire thing is just making everything worse. A true rebound will not be possible until sound understandings are made of how far this is going, how severe the impacts on core business numbers, and what the government and health care infrastructure plans are to deal with the challenges that COVID-19 represents. Too much uncertainty until then.

A more virulent strain ripping through large regions at 10%+ CFR could potentially see utterly devastating financial results. Otoh a slow and manageable .5%ish CFR may be something that could be kept to a simple single-year downturn. It's just too early to tell.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Facebook just announced it's cancelling its annual software conference. In California somewhere I assume.
 

Wreckem

Diamond Member
Sep 23, 2006
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Been coming for a hot minute. Thankfully it hit before a Democrat took office (for once).

We are inching closer. Goldman Sachs expects gdp growth to only b 1.2% for the first quarter.

There is one major economic forecaster that raises the chance of a recession in the first half of 2020 to 40%.

Japan is in a recession.The rest of Asia is pretty much following.

Europe was pretty much at no growth so it’s teetering on the brink.

Covid 17 might just push everyone over the brink into a worldwide recession. At this point it’s looking more and more likely. Because the current crisis is going to cause trickling disruptions in q2 and q3. The question is how long will it last.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Business coverage is reduced to correction watches. Now were in correction , now were not, 50% cent of the markets in correction, ect.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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We are inching closer. Goldman Sachs expects gdp growth to only b 1.2% for the first quarter.

There is one major economic forecaster that raises the chance of a recession in the first half of 2020 to 40%.

Japan is in a recession.The rest of Asia is pretty much following.

Europe was pretty much at no growth so it’s teetering on the brink.

Covid 17 might just push everyone over the brink into a worldwide recession. At this point it’s looking more and more likely. Because the current crisis is going to cause trickling disruptions in q2 and q3. The question is how long will it last.

seems to me that buying fake gdp growth on margin when times are good was a really really stupid idea, especially when you need a warchest for when shit hits the fan. It's almost like millions of people were explaining this problem for years now, but a lot of dummies didn't listen.

funny, that.
 
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