Downgraded to a Celeron

[escrow4]

I thought about replacing the mobo/CPU/RAM in an old machine for a low cost and this is what I wanted to read. If a Celeron has a little bit of hitching and pausing, I'd rather get an i3. I know small pauses may not mean much but over time, it may start to feel too slow. Even in a backup or temporary machine, I might be too annoyed with lags here and there.

Its not so much hitching as fluidity. The 4770 and 2 or 3 tabs on Chrome is smooth from cold start, same here with a G1850 there is some hesitation. Both are on a 1TB 840 EVO with latest firmware. Loading a couple of tabs takes a touch longer before they "smooth" out. It isn't "slow" otherwise I'd buy a 5960X tomorrow. :whiste:

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another, and I wouldn't spend an additional $20 local prices here for a Pentium or $50+ for an i3 when this really does do the job. And I can tell a difference between ALC 662 and 887/892 and above. 662 is just hollow, clarity is all over the place. Partially down to the codec, and partially down to no shielding.

 

[crashtech]

I thought about replacing the mobo/CPU/RAM in an old machine for a low cost and this is what I wanted to read. If a Celeron has a little bit of hitching and pausing, I'd rather get an i3. I know small pauses may not mean much but over time, it may start to feel too slow. Even in a backup or temporary machine, I might be too annoyed with lags here and there.

Don't forget that he's comparing it to a 4770. The subjective impression is created by what someone is used to using, and in most cases, users who get these are coming from very old, slow machines.

 

[escrow4]

Don't forget that he's comparing it to a 4770. The subjective impression is created by what someone is used to using, and in most cases, users who get these are coming from very old, slow machines.

Precisely. For $55, SOLD. It ain't no $300 CPU. For the price can't go wrong. I flipped my 4770 parts and got back around $500 after buying this Celeron + mobo + RAM package. Not US prices, mind.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Precisely. For $55, SOLD. It ain't no $300 CPU. For the price can't go wrong. I flipped my 4770 parts and got back around $500 after buying this Celeron + mobo + RAM package. Not US prices, mind.

Wow, you actually sold your 4770? So this is a permanent move? I thought that this was just an experiment. That's conviction.

 

[crashtech]

That might happen to me, if the 5775C isn't available before someone talks me out of my 4790K. I have a G3250 laying around that will probably tide me over for a while. I'll be horrified if it plays games acceptably well compared to an i7.

 

[escrow4]

So turns out this OEM of 8.1 didn't have Update 1, so after another 2GB and 250 or so of updates performance is slightly improved. Definite smoothness improvement in browsing especially. Reminds me that Win 10 will be rough in the first year until MS beats some patches and tweaks into it. Same with Day 1 Win 8 (and possibly 8.1).

 

[waltchan]

In the meantime, Intel believes there's currently three power-levels within the Celeron family group as of 2015:

1. Embedded BGA dual/quad-core Silvermont Bay Trail: (Celeron J1800/J1900)

2. Socketed LGA single-core w/ hyperthreading: (Celeron G470)

3. Socketed LGA dual-core: (Celeron G1840/G1850).

#1 and #3 are what we have right now on store shelves. So far, Intel hasn't announced a replacement for a single-core w/ hyperthreading since G470's 2013 release, although there's always room for one priced between #1 and #3, plus lower TDP and lower clock-speed rating.

I believe a release of Skylake Celeron single-core w/ hyperthreading is worth considering, despite some 1-core haters out there.

 

[B-Riz]

This kind of falls in line with my general thought process about Intel chips:

Grab a Celeron OR a Pentium on sale, skip i3 for an i5, grab the i7 IF it is cheap enough (I am spoiled by Micro Center, else I would still be using an i5 2500k or FX 8350)

I mean, you can get an i5 system and add an SSD and mid-range vid card and then play games, etc. Or not, and just enjoy the i5 for many years, else, get the Celeron box.

Just for information's sake: http://www.microcenter.com/product/442854/Inspiron_3000_Desktop_Computer

 

[ninaholic37]

Strangely enough, the sticker that comes with the CPU doesn't say Celeron anymore its just "Intel Inside". Heh.

Yeah, I find this trend extremely annoying. I look at the laptops on magazine flyers and all it says is "Intel Inside" instead of Celeron N2930 or whatever model it is. What if I actually want the 4.5W Celeron N2808 and that's what it is?!? They really want to lose a sale for being too vague? Argh. Most ARM chips do the same thing, these magazines are so boring to read now! *shakes fist*

 

[crashtech]

It's mostly because they value their customer's ignorance, so that cheap products can be disguised as more expensive ones.

 

[dark zero]

I am starting to fear to the fate of the socketed Celeron and Pentium since there are not news of them with Skylake.
Both along the AMD A4 and A6 are perfect for the perfect powerful machine for the old people, the budgeter and the casual ones and not that lame Celeron N or the infamous Single core pre Pentium 2 AMD E1 2100.
Despite the low comsumption, it goes too slow that is not worthy that energy saving.

The AM1+ would suffer the same fate if they werent decent OCers

Returning to topic, it's lame that magazines start to sell Celerons as Intel inside. Even AMD has a better way to show the products
E1 - avoid them at any cost, you will return to the Pentium 4 era.
E2 - the true entry level
A4 and beyond - welcome to AMD

 

[Mondozei]

For most people, even gamers, the CPU just isn't as important as many make it out to be. I'm typing this from an i5 3320M with dual channel memory and an SSD. I'd be hard pressed to see a difference between this and a much faster CPU in most cases.

Maybe if you play backgammon.

Try saying that to someone who plays BF4 on 64 Conquest or a CPU-intensive MMORPG game. If you don't notice a difference it's either because A) you don't know where/how to look(which I find unlikely) or more likely B) you don't really play any kind of demanding games from a CPU perspective. Playing BF4 on SP is a totally different experience than on MP, for instance, so it's not enough to own a certain kind of game, how you play it matters just as much, if not more so.

TL;DR Please don't be ignorant, thanks.

 

[TeknoBug]

lol I downgraded from my OC'd i7 3770K to i3 4160, actually haven't noticed that much of a difference in everyday use.

 

[waltchan]

1. Embedded BGA dual/quad-core Silvermont Bay Trail: (Celeron J1800/J1900)

2. Socketed LGA single-core w/ hyperthreading: (Celeron G470)

3. Socketed LGA dual-core: (Celeron G1840/G1850).

The more I think about Celeron and its position, I think Intel should make Celeron only #1 and #2. The dual-cores should be phased out as they're 98% identical to Pentium. A single-core w/ hyperthreading or 2 hyperthreadings (4 threads total in one core), plus lower TDP and lower clock speed make more sense and away the difference from faster Pentium dual-core.

So, I would say a 25W Skylake LGA1151 Celeron 2.40GHz single-core with 2 hyperthreadings (4-threads in one core) and 45W Skylake LGA1151 Pentium 3.00GHz dual-core make more sense.

 

[escrow4]

No real point to a Pentium. If a Pentium is enough then a Celeron will probably be too. The G1850 is 2.9GHz with 2MB cache. A 3.3Ghz Pentium here is $24 more for 3.3GHz with 1MB more cache. Now $24 for me is irrelevant, but $24 is $24. No point buying more when a Celeron will do what you need. If you want an i3 you may as well spend up for an i5.

I doubt Celeron's are going anyway. Intel has a complete product stack top to bottom and I doubt that will change. Celeron has always been the cheapest cheap option.

 

[VirtualLarry]

No real point to a Pentium.

What about QuickSync support? Are they putting that into the Celerons too, now? I know that the G3258 has it.

If a Pentium is enough then a Celeron will probably be too. The G1850 is 2.9GHz with 2MB cache. A 3.3Ghz Pentium here is $24 more for 3.3GHz with 1MB more cache. Now $24 for me is irrelevant, but $24 is $24. No point buying more when a Celeron will do what you need.

Some of us like to overclock, even if it's just for "TEH LULZ" mostly. So for me, that meant getting G3258 CPUs, rather than Celerons. If I wasn't going to OC, then yeah, the Celeron would probably have been just fine too. (If Intel made an overclockable Celeron, so much the better.)

I doubt Celeron's are going anyway. Intel has a complete product stack top to bottom and I doubt that will change. Celeron has always been the cheapest cheap option.

Well, they are trying to replace Core Celerons and Pentiums, with Atom Celerons and Pentiums. At least in OEM systems. For the DYI crowd, hopefully they will still provide the cheaper options for each of their Core socket families. (Would they even attempt to drop Core Celerons and Pentiums, and force us to buy i3 or better CPUs, for LGA sockets? Force us to buy ITX boards with Atoms soldered on, if we wanted cheaper rigs? Ugh, I hope not. But if AMD goes away, will socketed CPUs go away too?)

 

[myocardia]

What about QuickSync support?

All Pentiums now have QuickSync, even the lowly Baytrail J1800, J1900, J2900s: http://ark.intel.com/products/78866/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1800-1M-Cache-up-to-2_58-GHz No Celerons have it, at least yet, as far as I am aware.

 

[escrow4]

What about QuickSync support? Are they putting that into the Celerons too, now? I know that the G3258 has it.


Some of us like to overclock, even if it's just for "TEH LULZ" mostly. So for me, that meant getting G3258 CPUs, rather than Celerons. If I wasn't going to OC, then yeah, the Celeron would probably have been just fine too. (If Intel made an overclockable Celeron, so much the better.)


Well, they are trying to replace Core Celerons and Pentiums, with Atom Celerons and Pentiums. At least in OEM systems. For the DYI crowd, hopefully they will still provide the cheaper options for each of their Core socket families. (Would they even attempt to drop Core Celerons and Pentiums, and force us to buy i3 or better CPUs, for LGA sockets? Force us to buy ITX boards with Atoms soldered on, if we wanted cheaper rigs? Ugh, I hope not. But if AMD goes away, will socketed CPUs go away too?)

Yes, G1850 supports Quicksync, Intel Wireless Display, Clear Video and ECC memory:

http://ark.intel.com/products/80798/Intel-Celeron-Processor-G1850-2M-Cache-2_90-GHz

G1820 only supports Quicksync. G1850 - not bad for $55. Plus you can find occasionally find huge discounts off in the US (slickdeals).

 

[myocardia]

Yes, G1850 supports Quicksync

Yeah, that makes sense, since the G1850 is a big core, unlike the Baytrail Pentiums.

edit: lmao, when exactly did Intel decide to rename the J1800/J1900/J2900s "Celerons". They called them Pentiums at first, I'm 99.99% sure.

 

[escrow4]

All Pentiums now have QuickSync, even the lowly Baytrail J1800, J1900, J2900s: http://ark.intel.com/products/78866/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1800-1M-Cache-up-to-2_58-GHz No Celerons have it, at least yet, as far as I am aware.

This looks sexy for a HTPC:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q2900-ITX/

Add SODIMM, add case+PSU, add SSD, VOILA!

EDIT: Assuming 23.976 works.

 

[TheELF]

Intel released a driver, like a year ago,that enabled quick sync on all haswells.
And it's awesome.
Also you can see that the IGPU can be overclocked even on cheap mobos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTI-625Na0
And,yes even the celeron can handle up to 4k@23,9fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU94J768G5U

 

[VirtualLarry]

This looks sexy for a HTPC:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q2900-ITX/

Add SODIMM, add case+PSU, add SSD, VOILA!

EDIT: Assuming 23.976 works.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495

 

[escrow4]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157495

*snorts*. $66 more here.

So after some more use after another 300 or so updates the hesitation has disappeared in use. Browsing is fluid and way smoother. Definitely recommended for a basic box.

 

[waltchan]

G1820 only supports Quicksync. G1850 - not bad for $55. Plus you can find occasionally find huge discounts off in the US (slickdeals).

$55 is too expensive for a Celeron, that's way more than Pentium G3220. Fry's Electronics often sell the G1850 for $29 on-sale. The problem with G1850 is it's the highest-end and fastest Celeron model, so the sellers want to charge more on eBay.

A backup alternative is Celeron G1840 2.80 GHz, which is selling for $34.99 everyday at Micro Center or $40-$45 at eBay.

 

[waltchan]

A 3.3Ghz Pentium here is $24 more for 3.3GHz with 1MB more cache. Now $24 for me is irrelevant, but $24 is $24.

Pentium G3258 overclockable up to 4.30GHz max can be had for $24 more than Celeron.