Downgraded to a Celeron

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skipsneeky2

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Recently downgraded too,mostly cause i'm casually gaming more then before and the games i play really run well on about anything.Going slowly but surely into a ultra quiet low power htpc/media rig.

Went from a i7 3770 non k and gtx970 to a i3 3220 and gtx650.May toss in a 750 ti for giggles later.:biggrin: Idea of a ultra low watt build is damn appealing.

Games like CS:GO and WOT play well over 100fps with medium settings at 1080p.COD BO2 with a few settings lowered and disabled runs over 80fps as well at 1080p.
 

ElFenix

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am i the only person here whose gaming box does not house the most powerful CPU they own?
 

ElFenix

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What else are you going to use it for?

my 3770k is used for VMs, encoding, etc. my 3570k is for gaming.

i got the i7 well after i'd built the gaming box. i didn't feel like taking the gaming box apart. plus (at least until recently), hyperthreading seems to work better for the tasks i'm putting it to, in comparison to gaming.
 

escrow4

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Do you still support Celeron today? You're a totally different person now than last year.

I'm not fiddling around with low end junk when I have grunt available and even moreso, low end junk isn't worth buying in the first place. It always will come up short. Tried the low end, tried the middle bits, tried some of the top end. Perspective. I'm not dropping down below an i5 for an everyday in use box. Too much compromise.
 

waltchan

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This is definitely faster than a G1610 I once had. And seeing Celeron speeds creep up I wonder if the default Skylake Celeron will be 2.9GHz or so and the higher model will crack 3.0GHz.
I missed the escrow4 from last year. He used to own a Celeron G1610 and favored low-end stuff. Hard to believe his mind is now poisoned with rich stuff. :'(

Anyways, I still believe the new Celeron G3920 is a good improvement in performance due to DDR4 2133 MHz support, previously DDR3 1333 MHz. Certainly there's compromise, but you don't need to spend a lot of money for a nice processor these days.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Well, I still plan on trying to obtain a G3900 to test for you, escrow4.

At least, I want to run one through some daily usage and see how it performs.

Also, waiting for the ASRock mobos with "Hyper BCLK OC". If they do come out, and are cheap enough, then a massively-overclocked Celeron G3900 CPU, and some DDR4-2400 RAM might make a potent combo.
 

Torn Mind

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I missed the escrow4 from last year. He used to own a Celeron G1610 and favored low-end stuff. Hard to believe his mind is now poisoned with rich stuff. :'(

Anyways, I still believe the new Celeron G3920 is a good improvement in performance due to DDR4 2133 MHz support, previously DDR3 1333 MHz. Certainly there's compromise, but you don't need to spend a lot of money for a nice processor these days.

He merely reverted back to his prior opinion, or perhaps a bit more lax with the allowance of an i5. Also, the G1610 was not good enough for him, although his actual rationale needs independent reproduction.

Production quality stuff means getting things done quickly. Computing will always run amuck of tasks that take too long, such as Windows Update, scanning a drive for malware, or imaging a drive and people are too accepting of slow and don't know why that IPad Air 2 is so snappy while that old CPU+HDD combo drags them down.

The absolute pinnacle basic box would cost around $1300, and that is by go all out, with i7s, higher end mobos,, M2 SSD, 32 GBs of RAM. It is easy to get around $850-900 for a premium browsing box that doesn't give the user the inclination to upgrade. Throw in some real nice monitors and something Dragon Naturally speaking and luxury computing would be a compelling buy. And the margins between the low end and high end.for computers is smaller than say, tools or car. The very many power hungry old tech means that it will eventually hit the pocketbook more than the new, faster computer if you keep it long enough.
 

VirtualLarry

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He merely reverted back to his prior opinion, or perhaps a bit more lax with the allowance of an i5. Also, the G1610 was not good enough for him, although his actual rationale needs independent reproduction.

Production quality stuff means getting things done quickly. Computing will always run amuck of tasks that take too long, such as Windows Update, scanning a drive for malware, or imaging a drive and people are too accepting of slow and don't know why that IPad Air 2 is so snappy while that old CPU+HDD combo drags them down.

The absolute pinnacle basic box would cost around $1300, and that is by go all out, with i7s, higher end mobos,, M2 SSD, 32 GBs of RAM. It is easy to get around $850-900 for a premium browsing box that doesn't give the user the inclination to upgrade. Throw in some real nice monitors and something Dragon Naturally speaking and luxury computing would be a compelling buy. And the margins between the low end and high end.for computers is smaller than say, tools or car. The very many power hungry old tech means that it will eventually hit the pocketbook more than the new, faster computer if you keep it long enough.

Yes, I'm starting to be able to perceive the difference in performance, somewhat, between my OCed 3.15Ghz FM1 rig, and my i3-6100 (3.7Ghz, stock) rig.

The i3-6100 is basically pretty snappy, nearly as snappy as my G4400 OCed to 4.455, even when crunching four instances of NumberFields@Home in BOINC on the i3. (100% CPU usage.)

Even the performance difference between the Haswell G1820 2.7Ghz dual-core Celeron, and the i3-6100, is pretty subtle though, as long as both rigs have adequate RAM (8GB), and a modern SSD. Especially when both are using the same internet connection.

This is, of course, helped by the fact that more recent versions of Firefox, seem to have removed the "CPU spike" issue, when switching tabs or opening new tabs, such that the performance of the underlying hardware can show through.

So I can see why escrow4 prefers the i5 for browsing. I don't really feel I need a quad-core, with Firefox, unless I was into watching 4K videos, but I can understanding wanting maximum performance for a task.

Edit: And if one prefers using Chrome as their browser, then I can more easily see the "need" for an i5 quad-core CPU, since Chrome is much more multi-threaded than Firefox is.

Edit: Referring to the quoted bold part - yes, I find that many people are far too "accepting of slow". Hence the proliferation of Atom-based laptops / netbooks and tablets. (Of course, price and battery life factors into that strongly as well.)
But I've also seen people with P4 desktops, that keep on running them. For whatever reason, they just don't care to get anything more modern. Even though I try to convince them that the newer stuff is better. (Ok, this person has a Win7 desktop, with I think an Ivy Bridge dual-core Pentium or somesuch. So they're not totally living in the past. But they still hang onto the P4. Even though I gifted them a Core2-era machine with Win7 on it.)
 
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seitur

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While two-core big core Celerons/Pentiums/i3 are good CPUs and their strong ST performance is very nice - it is a bit of false impression.

Initially such CPU seem to be on par with i5/i7 on everyday use, but after some time you begin to realize it is not. Experience gets sometime sluggish or even "freezed" with multiple tabs, background programms, multimedia, etc

Comfort and speed is just not on the same level.
 

VirtualLarry

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While two-core big core Celerons/Pentiums/i3 are good CPUs and their strong ST performance is very nice - it is a bit of false impression.

Initially such CPU seem to be on par with i5/i7 on everyday use, but after some time you begin to realize it is not. Experience gets sometime sluggish or even "freezed" with multiple tabs, background programms, multimedia, etc

Comfort and speed is just not on the same level.

Well, I run my Windows 7 64-bit installs fairly lean 'n mean, so I don't have a lot of extra cruft running in the background, and my browser of choice isn't highly multi-threaded. So I can see why I get along pretty well with just a dual-core, whereas some people might prefer the quad.

Also, for gaming, the quad-core would be much preferable.
 

seitur

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Well, I run my Windows 7 64-bit installs fairly lean 'n mean, so I don't have a lot of extra cruft running in the background, and my browser of choice isn't highly multi-threaded. So I can see why I get along pretty well with just a dual-core, whereas some people might prefer the quad.

Also, for gaming, the quad-core would be much preferable.
FF is getting more multithreaded as well, they are working really hard at this and sooner rather than later FF will become effeficiently multithreaded.

Anyway - I am FF user myself, but really after a while you start noticing diffrence between even desktop high frequency Celeron and i5. I am typing this from Haswell Celeron.

Besides both power users and casual users benefit from strong 4 cores. Power users because they run lot of processes and are effective at usage and casual users because their OS become sluggish and riddled with lot of crap after a while.

Sure - experienced users who are maintaining their OS&PC "clean", cutting back unnecessary processes, disabling all resouce hogs, etc can have relatively smaller diffrence in experience, but you need to spend time&effort to do this and continue to do this constantly. It is not free, sure it does not cost you $, but it does cost you time&effort.
 
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Well, I run my Windows 7 64-bit installs fairly lean 'n mean, so I don't have a lot of extra cruft running in the background, and my browser of choice isn't highly multi-threaded. So I can see why I get along pretty well with just a dual-core, whereas some people might prefer the quad.

Also, for gaming, the quad-core would be much preferable.

Yea, I dont really buy that the average user mucks up his pc so much that it will slow down a fast dual core. I run a light antivirus, and dont take any extra precautions to keep the PC clean. Only one time did i have a problem (with a virus), and that would have crashed the most powerful cpu. Maybe back in the old days of 1ghz pentiums and 500mb of ram this was a problem, but today, not so much. BTW, I am talking desktop here. But lets remember, the vast majority of laptops are dual cores with a 35 watt or less tdp. Most people must not consider them inadequate, because they are selling better than desktops.
 

ninaholic37

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Do you still support Celeron today? You're a totally different person now than last year.
This thread is merely a "look at me, 53.8W is a downgrade for me, I am so hardcore!" in disguise. escrow4 would commit suicide if he had to use a Celeron J1900 or similar, not because it's bad but because he's still in the "I wanna be cool! *drives too fast and spins tires loudly like a maniac blowing exhaust in everyones face*" stage people usually grow out of in their early-20s :awe:
 

IEC

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The 6700HQ in my laptop performs better and uses less power to do the same amount of work as that Celeron.

Sure a Celeron is plenty for mom and pop (I build a desktop with a G1600 series processor a while back for that usage) but they're decidedly low end and irritatingly slow for power users.
 

Sheep221

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Celerons are great for office machines and HTPCs, I have Celeron G465 - sandy bridge single core with HT and it does great job in HTPC, plays 1080P at 60FPS, does 2 threads of Boinc. Paired with 8GB RAM in Dual Channel it is really neat and uses some 10W under load which is significantly better than any Atom or E/C series from AMD. Makes it ideal to be turned on 24 hours consecutively.
 

VirtualLarry

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This thread is merely a "look at me, 53.8W is a downgrade for me, I am so hardcore!" in disguise. escrow4 would commit suicide if he had to use a Celeron J1900 or similar, not because it's bad but because he's still in the "I wanna be cool! *drives too fast and spins tires loudly like a maniac blowing exhaust in everyones face*" stage people usually grow out of in their early-20s :awe:
LOL. I guess that would mean that my threads are equivalent to "Hey, check out my new 10-speed bicycle."

Celerons are great for office machines and HTPCs, I have Celeron G465 - sandy bridge single core with HT and it does great job in HTPC, plays 1080P at 60FPS, does 2 threads of Boinc. Paired with 8GB RAM in Dual Channel it is really neat and uses some 10W under load which is significantly better than any Atom or E/C series from AMD. Makes it ideal to be turned on 24 hours consecutively.
I know that Waltchan is a big fan of the G465 CPUs. He's mentioned them in the past. I've never had the chance to use one, a single-core with HyperThreading is pretty curious. Then again, the AMD equivalent is a single-module Piledriver FM2 APU, and in my opinion, those are pretty slow. Slower than a dual-core FM1 LLano APU.
 
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