DPC cause Dnet proxy blockage! (Anyone surprised?)

[TwoFace]

OK, let's not all get into a fit of rage now before we know how bad things actually are ok?

We've had server backlogs before and they suck plain and simple :frown: but as much as it might suck to admit it too it's hard to pin this on the DPC alone... Admittedly they have a history of megaflushes that speaks against them, but withtout that they wouldn't be where they are today and without their hitparade thing they wouldn't have sub-teams/members struggling so hard to flush big flushes every now and then... As much as it must irk us to remember this the DPC are just more powerful than us at the moment, and if they save up some % of their work it'll have a bigger impact than if we do the same...

Just remember that they're not the only ones doing stuff like this... we've done it too (once on a more team wide level) and if I don't remember wrong two times smaller flushes after that not to mention our PTE's... The bottom line is that all of us should just learn to live with the output we have and stop saving up for flushes period. Now I know that might be impossible to make happen, especially for the DPC (your hit parade makes mega-flushing almost mandatory for the smaller groups, but it's also a part of what/who you are) but also for us at TA, but it would still be the best way to handle things.

Bottom line as I see it this backlog is not solely the fault of DPC or DNet or us, but a combination of unfortunate events that has escalated due to several people (DPC, TA and others) having large dumps saved up. Now we just have to hope that DNet can positively surprise us and clear the current backlog ASAP.

Have a nice day

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[ottawanker]

ok people, i say we stop blaming DPC.. everyone is flushing more now, since the upgrade (er downgrade) to 463 clients..

think about this, without the DPC we wouldnt have any competition, and it be boring and we'd have less computers that we'd both to assimilate..

DPC is good for us in a way, and also good for distributed.net, which is what we're all really after in the end..

This however is almost slanderous by Onno:

"Hey! Why haven't you joined DPC yet!? Don't you like our neat daily stats, or are you just afraid of the Dutch?"

heh, ok well i was joking, but why would I want to join DPC when i have TA.. you just can't beat TA.

 

[Possessed Freak]

God, do you DPC even read?

Moose: 'Lets just put this one behind as moose's fault and get on with life'

he admits it was his mistake. After Moose's reply there was not a single post being negative to the DPC, yet you guys continued to post how it was not your fault quoting the same lines!

And here I defended you in my first post...
Ug.

[edit] and if your pissed off with the .plan blaming you, take it up with them OUTSIDE this forum. This forum is not for a DPC rant to a third party. It would be one thing if you had another reason to post HERE (like the downgrade to the other clients, or perhaps a comparison of stat losses, or a UT grudge match ), but your crying to the WRONG crowd. Post these problems in dnet's foums/irc/email/whatever.

 

[Leto]

<< Moose, just out of curiosity, is that new quad-Xeon monster in service yet? If so, I imagine this is a golden opportunity to
see how it performs under a heavy workload. >>



FYI:

The statsserver is something different from the masterserver.

The masterserver is the one backlogged. It's a K6-350 with plenty of RAM and disk to handle loads way over
1000Gkeys. But it only does this well if blocks all come from a small set of subspaces. If people flush work of 2 months at
once, we need to open up a lot more spaces and that chokes the master. Not much to optimize on that and that's the
reason we sort of &quot;split up&quot; the rc5-64 contest in 256 subspaces.

The statsserver has nothing to do with this all. It's going to be a Quad Xeon with 1Gb RAM and way over 100Gb on
RAID5 disks. It's going to be able to go through all millions and millions of rows in the database even faster than it does
now. But this is just for the future, even our current statsserver sort of keeps up nicely when under normal load.

Hope this explains a little.

Ivo Janssen / Leto
ivo@distributed.net

 

[Poof]

The masterserver is the one backlogged. It's a K6-350 with plenty of RAM and disk to handle loads way over

:Q

Awwww come on guys!! At least OC that thing!!! Or even stick a K6-2/450 in it!

For like $150, you can get a decent Duron + mobo!

 

[Imported]

They should make saving up for a flush not an option on a new client or something..

Maybe put it in the client that it has to flush every 24 hours..

 

[Kilowatt]

It's not the clients that stockpile for MegaFlushs, it the pproxys.
They could make it imposible the stockpile more then 100,000 blocks in a pproxy if they wanted too.
Maybe that's something they (Dnet) should look into.

 

[Elteor]

illkid, that could be a big problem for those who have clients running on machines without internet access, wich
I believe is the case for quite a few people around ......

A colleage of mine use to work in a &quot;secure&quot; environment, in wich he had permission to run the client on 25 machine's.
He did put a large buff-in on them, and once or twice a month he got around like a discjockey with floppy's to collect and update all buffers. If he was forced to do this on a daily base, he just would quit the whole thing.

(btw he switched job's, so unfortunately he's only running on his 2 home-pc's at the moment .... )

 

[mechBgon]

Thanks for the info on the computers, Leto. You know, I think you could easily get enough donations from Team AnandTech and the Dutch Power Cows to put together a faster rig for your keymaster... maybe a nice Thunderbird 700 or something. I know I'd contribute something, probably an Alpha 6035 heatsink. Just a thought.

 

[networkman]

2nd what mech just said - that'd be a great way for TA &amp; DPC to work together to solve a common problem affecting us all!

 

[ParagonE]

Sorry? Megaflush? Only because of a bug in a client?

1: For us, this isn't a MegaFlush, two time an average output.
2: The reason for the buffers is not a Megaflush, but to reach the daily top 30 on the DPC RC5 forum. We've got more than 4600 members. So when a subteam or one person wants to reach the top 30 DPC stats, the subteam has to keep his buff-out for a few weeks. A lot of members do, and when Dnet has problems with a client, everybody has flush, else the units don't count. That's the reason why we flushed two days about 4 million units.

Don't see this as a troll or a flamebait, I -and a a lot other DPC members- am only a bit pissed because of your reactions.

 

[Poof]

am only a bit pissed because of your reactions

ParagonE - see the post right above you! How about some of you guys in the DPCs chip in with TA to upgrade dnet's master keyserver from a K62/350.. :Q :Q :Q, to something a WEE BIT faster...

Then alot of the little flushes would be nothings!

 

[A2KLAU]

This is foul play here and unfair on all the other Teams who are doing RC5!!! They should no better than do these scams!!! Hope they stop doing it!!!

Albert.

 

[Bleep]

It really dont make any difference at this time whoe's fault it is at this time, the thing is to make sure that it (whatever it is) dont cause a problem again. one thing that bothers me though is this quote.


<< < Moose > why you guys are the only ones that do mega flushes >>


Moose should know that this in not a accurate statement. The Japanese always save up for a &quot;Mega Dump&quot;. It would seem to me that any distributed project should be prepared for a worse case flush so as not to drive people away from there projects. There investimate does not come within even a small part of the money spent by individuals to do there projects.
Bleep

 

[zman6911]

Couldn't we all just get along

 

[Engine]

Everyone: Check you Ivo's latest .plan. It explains a lot.

 

[ParagonE]

ParagonE - see the post right above you! How about some of you guys in the DPCs chip in with TA to upgrade dnet's master keyserver from a K62/350.. , to something a WEE BIT faster...

Then alot of the little flushes would be nothings!

Okay. Sorry for my pissed reaction. If the Dnet problem is money, I'll offer $25 for a new pc. But I just read that the pc isn't the problem. The memoryspeed is the problem. But what if you put two or 10 (for example) pc on the net? Should that solve the problem. Without the backlog problem, nobody should blame DPC for the backlog right now. As I said, I will help you to solve this problem, and a lot of other RC5 participants will also help Dnet.

greetz, PE

 

[Kilowatt]

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[Slacker]

MMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm Chocolate pudding

 

[Byzanthy]

&quot;I see dead computers, everywhere.&quot; :Q

Mwhoehahahaha


OK, everybody move on, there's nothing special going on here....

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DPC-member

 

[DanC]

Is it warm in here?