DPreviewed: Nikon D80

[GTaudiophile]

The REAL Review!

 

[Mayfriday0529]

cool

 

[GTaudiophile]

Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

 

[Goosemaster]

I can only aprpeciate the 10MP remark

Anything else particularly special about that this thing?

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

The XTi would be a really great cam if the ergonomics didn't suck donkey nuts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/CanonEOS400D/Images/gripcompared.gif

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

The XTi would be a really great cam if the ergonomics didn't suck donkey nuts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/CanonEOS400D/Images/gripcompared.gif

Once Canon is okay with the technology it will end up in the EOS-40D...or maybe not. Rumor has it that Canon will simply discontinue that line and produce a cheaper FF replacement to the EOS-5D.

 

[dug777]

If the 400D feels anything like the 350D, then i wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. I held a 350D and a D50 and an alpha in teh shop the other day, and the grip on the 350D makes baby jesus cry

 

[exodus454]

Originally posted by: dug777
If the 400D feels anything like the 350D, then i wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. I held a 350D and a D50 and an alpha in teh shop the other day, and the grip on the 350D makes baby jesus cry

agreed. and i have a 300d. i much prefer the more substantial body.

 

[jamesbond007]

Originally posted by: exodus454

Originally posted by: dug777
If the 400D feels anything like the 350D, then i wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. I held a 350D and a D50 and an alpha in teh shop the other day, and the grip on the 350D makes baby jesus cry

agreed. and i have a 300d. i much prefer the more substantial body.

Ditto on everything!

 

[Mayfriday0529]

I used to have the D70 and it was awesome. I would buy a D80... those cannon cameras feel like toys and the design its just not my taste. I personally can't buy something no matter how many more features it has if it doesnt look right to me.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

The XTi would be a really great cam if the ergonomics didn't suck donkey nuts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/CanonEOS400D/Images/gripcompared.gif

Once Canon is okay with the technology it will end up in the EOS-40D...or maybe not. Rumor has it that Canon will simply discontinue that line and produce a cheaper FF replacement to the EOS-5D.

WTF does the bolded text have to do with my statement?

You poluted DSLR threads prior to the 30D release with rumors that it would be FF and the next coming of Jesus. It was not. Don't get your hopes up with the next round of Canon cameras either.

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

Not a huge difference when comparing RAW/NEF.

Better viewfinder than the 400D too

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

The XTi would be a really great cam if the ergonomics didn't suck donkey nuts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/CanonEOS400D/Images/gripcompared.gif

Originally posted by: jamesbond007

Originally posted by: exodus454

Originally posted by: dug777
If the 400D feels anything like the 350D, then i wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. I held a 350D and a D50 and an alpha in teh shop the other day, and the grip on the 350D makes baby jesus cry

agreed. and i have a 300d. i much prefer the more substantial body.

Ditto on everything!

The solution to all your "Rebel XT/XTi grip is too small complaints."

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

The XTi would be a really great cam if the ergonomics didn't suck donkey nuts.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/CanonEOS400D/Images/gripcompared.gif

Originally posted by: jamesbond007

Originally posted by: exodus454

Originally posted by: dug777
If the 400D feels anything like the 350D, then i wouldn't touch it with a 10' pole. I held a 350D and a D50 and an alpha in teh shop the other day, and the grip on the 350D makes baby jesus cry

agreed. and i have a 300d. i much prefer the more substantial body.

Ditto on everything!

The solution to all your "Rebel XT/XTi grip is too small complaints."

That doesn't help the actual size of the grip. It gives you a place for your pinky and balances the camera better (I live by my battery grip) but the grip itself is still pencil thin.

Anyway, the D80 is a nice camera with a few cool features, but Canon CMOS IQ still kicks Nikon CCD butt.

Also reading camera speculation on a board like ATOT makes me laugh

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

Not a huge difference when comparing RAW/NEF.

Better viewfinder than the 400D too

Ok, now turn the Nikon's ISO up to 1600 and see how it handles that

Take a look at the D200's ISO1600/3200 shots and be prepared to cry.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

The solution to all your "Rebel XT/XTi grip is too small complaints."

That doesn't help the actual size of the grip. It gives you a place for your pinky and balances the camera better (I live by my battery grip) but the grip itself is still pencil thin.

Anyway, the D80 is a nice camera with a few cool features, but Canon CMOS IQ still kicks Nikon CCD butt.

Also reading camera speculation on a board like ATOT makes me laugh

IMO, the lack of a place to put your pinky is really the primary concern of people who complain about the grip. When I used my XT without the grip I would actually get cramps in my pinky from the weight. The battery grip makes it 100% better and now I actually feel that the XT is a very nicely-sized camera. I do have somewhat small paws though.

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

The solution to all your "Rebel XT/XTi grip is too small complaints."

That doesn't help the actual size of the grip. It gives you a place for your pinky and balances the camera better (I live by my battery grip) but the grip itself is still pencil thin.

Anyway, the D80 is a nice camera with a few cool features, but Canon CMOS IQ still kicks Nikon CCD butt.

Also reading camera speculation on a board like ATOT makes me laugh

IMO, the lack of a place to put your pinky is really the primary concern of people who complain about the grip. When I used my XT without the grip I would actually get cramps in my pinky from the weight. The battery grip makes it 100% better and now I actually feel that the XT is a very nicely-sized camera. I do have somewhat small paws though.

I agree. I actually like the feel of the smaller grip of the XT but I was just stating what most people complain about after the fact.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

Not a huge difference when comparing RAW/NEF.

Better viewfinder than the 400D too

Ok, now turn the Nikon's ISO up to 1600 and see how it handles that

Take a look at the D200's ISO1600/3200 shots and be prepared to cry.

Eh, all camera brands have their ups and downs. It's all about which downs you can live with and what ups you can't live without.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: Mrvile

I agree. I actually like the feel of the smaller grip of the XT but I was just stating what most people complain about after the fact.

Gotcha. On the other hand (no pun intended?) the pro grips on cameras like the 1Ds or 1D series cameras feel wayyyyy too big and cumbersome to me, like I can't grip around them. They're nice and deep, and they're too fat and my fingers can't really grip into the nice and deep part, which kinda defeats the purpose for me. If the camera got knocked around in my hand somehow, I feel like I'd actually lose grip of the bigger grips easier than the smaller grip on the XT.

Not to mention with the big grips I have more difficulty reaching controls than with the smaller XT grip.

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

Not a huge difference when comparing RAW/NEF.

Better viewfinder than the 400D too

Ok, now turn the Nikon's ISO up to 1600 and see how it handles that

Take a look at the D200's ISO1600/3200 shots and be prepared to cry.

Eh, all camera brands have their ups and downs. It's all about which downs you can live with and what ups you can't live without.

True dat. I'll have to admit Nikons are built like rocks, and are really unmatched in the build quality you get for the money (which may soon be trumped by Pentax's new weathersealed K10D for a measly grand). But ultimately I'll shoot with a camera body no matter how uncomfortable it is, how little features it has, or how much plastic is in it, as long as it has the best IQ on the market. And at this point, the 350D/400D/20D/30D holds the second best, right under the 5D/1DsMKII. But that's just me. I do know some people who live and die by Nikon and I won't even start a photography conversation with them because it usually turns out pretty nasty. Ah well, if build/features are more important that IQ for them, so be it. The last laughs will always lie within the actual pictures we take.

 

[virtuamike]

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

Not a huge difference when comparing RAW/NEF.

Better viewfinder than the 400D too

Ok, now turn the Nikon's ISO up to 1600 and see how it handles that

Take a look at the D200's ISO1600/3200 shots and be prepared to cry.

Eh, all camera brands have their ups and downs. It's all about which downs you can live with and what ups you can't live without.

True dat. I'll have to admit Nikons are built like rocks, and are really unmatched in the build quality you get for the money (which may soon be trumped by Pentax's new weathersealed K10D for a measly grand). But ultimately I'll shoot with a camera body no matter how uncomfortable it is, how little features it has, or how much plastic is in it, as long as it has the best IQ on the market. And at this point, the 350D/400D/20D/30D holds the second best, right under the 5D/1DsMKII. But that's just me. I do know some people who live and die by Nikon and I won't even start a photography conversation with them because it usually turns out pretty nasty. Ah well, if build/features are more important that IQ for them, so be it. The last laughs will always lie within the actual pictures we take.

I night shoot with my D200 and I'm doing just fine

ISO800 on up.

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Would it look cleaner on a Canon sensor? Probably. Do I care? Nope. It's better than film and prints look great.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Originally posted by: virtuamike

I night shoot with my D200 and I'm doing just fine

ISO800 on up.

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Would it look cleaner on a Canon sensor? Probably. Do I care? Nope. It's better than film and prints look great.

You bring up a good point. What really matters is the picture's intended use. If it's only going to be used online where noise is easily seen, then I guess a low-noise sensor matters a bunch. On the other hand, if the pictures are going to be printed, a lot of the noise doesn't really get resolved in prints, so you can get away with a noisier sensor and a body with better ergonomics. Or maybe you just like the look of noise *shrugs*

With that said, my uses are both online and print, so I want the smoothest sensor I can get, even if it is overkill for physical printing.

Dang... I REALLY need a monitor calibration tool, but don't have the money

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Mrvile

I agree. I actually like the feel of the smaller grip of the XT but I was just stating what most people complain about after the fact.

Gotcha. On the other hand (no pun intended?) the pro grips on cameras like the 1Ds or 1D series cameras feel wayyyyy too big and cumbersome to me, like I can't grip around them. They're nice and deep, and they're too fat and my fingers can't really grip into the nice and deep part, which kinda defeats the purpose for me. If the camera got knocked around in my hand somehow, I feel like I'd actually lose grip of the bigger grips easier than the smaller grip on the XT.

Not to mention with the big grips I have more difficulty reaching controls than with the smaller XT grip.

The rest of us don't have little girly hands

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: Mrvile

Originally posted by: virtuamike

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Sorry Nikon, but I think the D80 falls short of the Canon EOS-400D if you look at the "As Compared To" pictures.

Not a huge difference when comparing RAW/NEF.

Better viewfinder than the 400D too

Ok, now turn the Nikon's ISO up to 1600 and see how it handles that

Take a look at the D200's ISO1600/3200 shots and be prepared to cry.

Eh, all camera brands have their ups and downs. It's all about which downs you can live with and what ups you can't live without.

True dat. I'll have to admit Nikons are built like rocks, and are really unmatched in the build quality you get for the money (which may soon be trumped by Pentax's new weathersealed K10D for a measly grand). But ultimately I'll shoot with a camera body no matter how uncomfortable it is, how little features it has, or how much plastic is in it, as long as it has the best IQ on the market. And at this point, the 350D/400D/20D/30D holds the second best, right under the 5D/1DsMKII. But that's just me. I do know some people who live and die by Nikon and I won't even start a photography conversation with them because it usually turns out pretty nasty. Ah well, if build/features are more important that IQ for them, so be it. The last laughs will always lie within the actual pictures we take.

So you're saying the Reber XT has better IQ than the Nikon D2Xs? LOL Just shut up already. Low ISO noise is not everything. When using film, did you ever use any that was higher than 400 or even 800?

 

[getbush]

Bump for Nikon

The D80 is very nice. Look at the RAW comparison. There is virtually no difference in IQ between the D80 and teh 400D. Both are quite nice. Canon has a slight edge at ISO, but it is not a huge difference by any means. The build and design of the Mikon are superior in my opion. pentaprism vs. penta mirror. The viewfinder is great. They are both nice cameras and it just comes down to personal preference, and don't forget the lens systems.