Dr. Ron Paul or the Great Collapse.

[Anarchist420]

I don't know if I'll be able to support Dr. Rand Paul if he runs in 2016. He's really going to have to prove himself over the next four years during the Iranian-American War. Gary Johnson isn't very good and there is really no one else. Here's a list of Dr. Rand Paul's positions that I find unacceptable:

Supported Keystone XL, which was lead by a company in grave violation of private property rights;
Voted for sanctions on Iran;
Only wanted to cut $500Bn from FY2013 when at least that much should be cut from the pentagon alone for FY2014. Everything should be cut to zero, but only $500Bn isn't even a full one-third of the deficit for FY2012. $500Bn is also not even a full 15% of federal expenditures. The deficit needs to be eliminated like next fiscal year and with less government revenue from taxes.

Granted, he's better than most but that doesn't make him his father.

I really think another 4 years of Obamney will result in the deaths of at least 10% of the american population. That would be due to the crime arising from hyperinflation, personal savings being wiped out so people have no drinks and no food, combat deaths, deaths from black flag attacks, and civilian deaths due to wartime repression. If there is a giant disease that breaks out, then it will be a lot more than 10%.

Unemployment might spike to 33% during a Ron Paul presidency because the market will have to correct what the Federal government did, but the 8 year average unemployment of a Ron Paul Presidency wouldn't be more than 5%.

Isn't a little sting in the short term less harmful than apocalyptic pain?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Ron Paul will never be POTUS....................EVER!!!!!!!

Stop already.

 

[Siddhartha]

Never mind

 

[soundforbjt]

The idiot son will never be POTUS either. He'll just spend supporter's money and win nothing.

 

[First]

Ron Paul hasn't gotten anything done in Congress. Ever. Well OK, he sponsored a bill with Barney Frank that would have gotten passed without him. But seriously, dude is worthless.

 

[amish]

Unemployment might spike to 33% during a Ron Paul presidency because the market will have to correct what the Federal government did, but the 8 year average unemployment of a Ron Paul Presidency wouldn't be more than 5%.

if that happened people would take to the street and nobody with the last name of Paul would be in politics for a very long time...

 

[JEDIYoda]

I really think another 4 years of Obamney will result in the deaths of at least 10% of the american population. That would be due to the crime arising from hyperinflation, personal savings being wiped out so people have no drinks and no food, combat deaths, deaths from black flag attacks, and civilian deaths due to wartime repression. If there is a giant disease that breaks out, then it will be a lot more than 10%.

None of your reason have anything to do with Obama......you must really miss your home planet.......

 

[yllus]

I really think another 4 years of Obamney will result in the deaths of at least 10% of the american population. That would be due to the crime arising from hyperinflation, personal savings being wiped out so people have no drinks and no food, combat deaths, deaths from black flag attacks, and civilian deaths due to wartime repression. If there is a giant disease that breaks out, then it will be a lot more than 10%.

Ron Paul predicts hyperinflation in "near future":

Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for allowing me to appear before your subcommittee this morning to discuss the feasibility of establishing a gold standard.

As you know, I have introduced, and other members have cosponsored, H.R. 7874, which is a comprehensive bill to place the United States on a full gold coin standard within two years of the date of its passage.

I believe such a standard to be not only desirable and feasible, but absolutely necessary if we aim to avoid the very real possibility of hyperinflation in the near future, and economic collapse.

That prediction was made, of course, in 1981.

FT.com - Believer in small government predicts 15-year depression

“The US government just won’t allow the correction the economy needs.” He cites the mini-depression of 1921, which lasted just a year largely because insolvent companies were allowed to fail. “No one remembers that one. They’ll remember this one, because it will last 15 years.”

At some stage – Mr Paul estimates it will be between one and four years – the dollar will implode. “The dollar as a reserve standard is done,” he says. He sees little hope for other currencies where central banks have also created too much liquidity dating right back to the early 1970s.

That one was in 2009 - three years ago now, so this must be the year of the great collapse. Why exactly are we supposed to take any of you Paul adherents seriously when it comes to predictions about the market's future? You've literally never been right.

Unemployment might spike to 33% during a Ron Paul presidency because the market will have to correct what the Federal government did, but the 8 year average unemployment of a Ron Paul Presidency wouldn't be more than 5%.

You realize that if the first year of a Paul presidency had a 33% unemployment rate, the next seven years would have to have an unemployment rate of 1% to end up averaging out at 5%? That seems, uh, a little bit unlikely.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Why don't you leave this country? We know you can't get a job, maybe your parents will give you some money.

The funny thing is you have ZERO facts or proof to back-up your ridiculous numbers and predictions.

Ron Paul is an idiot. Wasting his supporters money so he can mount another useless campaign instead of performing his job.

The death of 10% of the US population? Yes, if Ron Paul was elected, I'm sure with unemployment of 33% that many US citizens would die of starvation or from civil war.

 

[YoungGun21]

10% of the population? Do you by chance uh.....know the population of the US?

 

[Anarchist420]

Ron Paul predicts hyperinflation in "near future":



That prediction was made, of course, in 1981.

FT.com - Believer in small government predicts 15-year depression



That one was in 2009 - three years ago now, so this must be the year of the great collapse. Why exactly are we supposed to take any of you Paul adherents seriously when it comes to predictions about the market's future? You've literally never been right.



You realize that if the first year of a Paul presidency had a 33% unemployment rate, the next seven years would have to have an unemployment rate of 1% to end up averaging out at 5%? That seems, uh, a little bit unlikely.

The first six months would have an unemployment rate of 33% it would drop sharply after that.

 

[Anarchist420]

10% of the population? Do you by chance uh.....know the population of the US?

At least 30 million sounds realistic, especially with modern warfare and the modern state.

 

[Anarchist420]

Why don't you leave this country? We know you can't get a job, maybe your parents will give you some money.

The funny thing is you have ZERO facts or proof to back-up your ridiculous numbers and predictions.

Ron Paul is an idiot. Wasting his supporters money so he can mount another useless campaign instead of performing his job.

The death of 10% of the US population? Yes, if Ron Paul was elected, I'm sure with unemployment of 33% that many US citizens would die of starvation or from civil war.

How did you know I've recently been looking for a job?

Also, no one with an IQ less than 20 can have a doctorate in medicine. My IQ probably isn't even average, but I'm sure Dr. Paul's is at least 140.

 

[werepossum]

I don't know if I'll be able to support Dr. Rand Paul if he runs in 2016. He's really going to have to prove himself over the next four years during the Iranian-American War. Gary Johnson isn't very good and there is really no one else. Here's a list of Dr. Rand Paul's positions that I find unacceptable:

Supported Keystone XL, which was lead by a company in grave violation of private property rights;
Voted for sanctions on Iran;
Only wanted to cut $500Bn from FY2013 when at least that much should be cut from the pentagon alone for FY2014. Everything should be cut to zero, but only $500Bn isn't even a full one-third of the deficit for FY2012. $500Bn is also not even a full 15% of federal expenditures. The deficit needs to be eliminated like next fiscal year and with less government revenue from taxes.

Granted, he's better than most but that doesn't make him his father.

I really think another 4 years of Obamney will result in the deaths of at least 10% of the american population. That would be due to the crime arising from hyperinflation, personal savings being wiped out so people have no drinks and no food, combat deaths, deaths from black flag attacks, and civilian deaths due to wartime repression. If there is a giant disease that breaks out, then it will be a lot more than 10%.

Unemployment might spike to 33% during a Ron Paul presidency because the market will have to correct what the Federal government did, but the 8 year average unemployment of a Ron Paul Presidency wouldn't be more than 5%.

Isn't a little sting in the short term less harmful than apocalyptic pain?

I'm a small government kinda guy, but I can't wait to hear how smaller government equals more deaths from disease. Centralized power is actually pretty effective against epidemics.

And our currency supply is controlled by the Federal Reserve, composed as you know of private bankers. They are really, really, really good at fighting runaway inflation as it kills profits from loans and devalues reserves. We aren't going to have hyperinflation, even if we have to go back into recession to avoid it. At most we'll have moderately high inflation on basic necessities (as we do now) coupled with recession, and people will adjust their habits accordingly as we have through countless ages. When meat gets expensive we eat less meat; when gas gets expensive we drive less.

 

[YoungGun21]

The first six months would have an unemployment rate of 33% it would drop sharply after that.

So you think that a third of the country is just going to play magical chairs with jobs? You can't even get to a 33% rate in 6 months from where we are now, let alone go to it and start recovering. YOUR NUMBERS DON'T MAKE SENSE. That would be around 100 million people out of work. It has taken us how long to go from 10% to 8%, yet you think it would spike from 8% to 33% and begin to recover all within 6 months?

 

[YoungGun21]

At least 30 million sounds realistic, especially with modern warfare and the modern state.

Oh does it sound realistic? To you maybe.

But WWI had around 20 million deaths WORLDWIDE.

And WWII had around 50 million deaths WORLDWIDE.

The US played a small part in those totals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war maybe this will help you.

2.5 million US soldiers killed since 1775.

2.5 million citizens die each year. There is no way that your numbers are even close to reasonable. You think that simply because Paul doesn't get elected there will be a war on the streets?

 

[yllus]

The first six months would have an unemployment rate of 33% it would drop sharply after that.

Oh, okay. Just making sure you've thought through your numbers.

 

[Capt Caveman]

How did you know I've recently been looking for a job?

Also, no one with an IQ less than 20 can have a doctorate in medicine. My IQ probably isn't even average, but I'm sure Dr. Paul's is at least 140.

It's pretty obvious that you're an unemployed, live at home with your parents loser. If you were actually worked and paid taxes, you wouldn't be so ignorant to the real world.

If Ron Paul was so great for this country and you cared about the Great Collapse, you would have thought you would have physically campaigned for him. Obviously, you don't care enough since this is was his last chance. Instead you'd like to troll and compare the politics of dead people and make asinine predications with no basis.

 

[CallMeJoe]

...My IQ probably isn't even average...

Congratulations. I believe you've finally posted something with which no one on this forum can disagree.

 

[Anarchist420]

I'm a small government kinda guy, but I can't wait to hear how smaller government equals more deaths from disease. Centralized power is actually pretty effective against epidemics.

Centralization of power can also develop epidemics.

And our currency supply is controlled by the Federal Reserve, composed as you know of private bankers. They are really, really, really good at fighting runaway inflation as it kills profits from loans and devalues reserves. We aren't going to have hyperinflation, even if we have to go back into recession to avoid it.

The banks earn interest out of thin air due to fractional reserve banking. They also get the newly created money before it gets spent into circulation. The banking system isn't really private anyway. The u.s. government benefits from it just as much as the banks do. I suppose the government could benefit even more if we switched to a greenback system, so you have a point. However, the banks will only tighten credit policies as long as they can which won't be long.

 

[RedString]

Don't bother - forum is filled with people who support Obama, or worse, will vote for Santorum or Obama 2.0, Romney. Or, they're just cynics who only point out flaws in everyones policies and won't vote at all when the time comes.

 

[Demo24]

And here I was thinking you'd gone soft and quieted down about these 'ideas', clearly I was very much in the wrong about that as this thread shows.

Two pieces of advice
1. stop reading those crazy, fanatical websites and try reading something not written by a deranged man in his underwear with tin foil hat on.
2. step outside, because as far as I can tell you've been inventing reality from the basement by reading, hence why you should definitely follow number 1.



However, even more amusing than reading your beyond stupid idea threads are the few individuals that actually come in and say 'hmm, yes i agree..vote ron paul'. Newsflash to the 3 or 4 paullies on here...that's not helping your case any. lol

 

[LegendKiller]

Centralization of power can also develop epidemics.The banks earn interest out of thin air due to fractional reserve banking. They also get the newly created money before it gets spent into circulation. The banking system isn't really private anyway. The u.s. government benefits from it just as much as the banks do. I suppose the government could benefit even more if we switched to a greenback system, so you have a point. However, the banks will only tighten credit policies as long as they can which won't be long.

Banks earn money from lending at rates higher than they borrow because as a large institution they can borrow easier/cheaper than individuals and/or corporations. That has nothing to do with creating interest "out of thin air", interest has been around for millennia, far before fractional reserve banking.

FRB is only logical. If you didn't have it then deposits wouldn't earn anything anyway.

 

[Anarchist420]

Banks earn money from lending at rates higher than they borrow because as a large institution they can borrow easier/cheaper than individuals and/or corporations. That has nothing to do with creating interest "out of thin air", interest has been around for millennia, far before fractional reserve banking.

FRB is only logical. If you didn't have it then deposits wouldn't earn anything anyway.

FRB is fraud. People would gain from saving in a non-FRB system.

 

[LegendKiller]

FRB is fraud. People would gain from saving in a non-FRB system.

How would you gain from saving in a non-FRB system? If the money isn't lent out then it generates no earnings, thus, banks would simply charge you for keeping the money there since they have to maintain the account, building, infrastructure...etc. Ohh and they have to buy insurance and such to make sure your money doesn't go away if the bank burns down, is robbed...etc.

"Saving" is a negative earning concept, always has been and always will be. Only a fool can't see that.