Draft...Would you serve or run?

[Wingznut]

If I were called into service, I'd definitely go.

 

[Dacalo]

after all is said and done, I would serve the country

 

[misle]

I would serve.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: EndGame
As for the "if it was a worthwhile cause" argument, whose to say what is or isn't?

When it's my life on the line - I am.

 

[dave127]

I'd serve too...i really dont want to, but hey, if my country needs me, even if the reasons are not about protecting our country, but our economy, I'll go

Dave

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe

As for the oil fields, do you not remember the pictures of oil fields burning during the Gulf War? All those fires were started by Saddam's troops. As a result, there were black clouds and all sorts of nasty pollution in the region for quite a while.

Yes, I remember those horrible pictures. I also watched a documentary on what it took to extinguish the fires. It was really sad. However, the plan they have isn't to "protect" them it is to "take" them. Its not our decision to decide what to do with the oil.

For crying out loud we aren't taking anything from that country.

It is to ensure one ethnic group doesn't control for power play.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe
I wish I could locate a link to the news I saw on TV last night. The Oil Field Plan wasn't a plan to "protect" the oil fields. It was more like we were going in and taking them over. The US should give the Oil Fields to whomever is in power because it is Iraqi oil. If we want to eliminate Saddam that is ok with me, but to take over the Oil Fields and for the US to make all the decisions is "commy" within itself.

Yes, Saddam is evil and has turned on his people many many times. His son is worse than him though. If we were there because he was "inhumane" that would be different, but we aren't. We are there for the oil. As a note, Afghanistan had numerous "inhumane" problems for many years (prior to 9-11);however, we sat on our butts and didn't do a thing. Tajikastan is the poorest country in the world. We aren't there helping them.

I couldn't serve right now because I am pregnant, but if I weren't pregnant, I would serve IF it there was a valid reason to go to war. If not, I would leave. I'm not dying nor will I kill other people for oil or any other inappropriate reason. Only drafting men is sexist. If we are going to have a draft lets draft men and women.

All this is moot anyways because THERE WILL NOT BE A DRAFT. Even in a two front war THERE WILL NOT BE A DRAFT. Addtionally, this is being discussed in about five other current threads right now.

http://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm

Originally posted by: NetworkDad
I'd serve, no question about it.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: FettsBabe

As for the oil fields, do you not remember the pictures of oil fields burning during the Gulf War? All those fires were started by Saddam's troops. As a result, there were black clouds and all sorts of nasty pollution in the region for quite a while.

Yes, I remember those horrible pictures. I also watched a documentary on what it took to extinguish the fires. It was really sad. However, the plan they have isn't to "protect" them it is to "take" them. Its not our decision to decide what to do with the oil.

Tell me what exactly is the problem with the US proposal for the oil wells;

• WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States plans to secure Iraqi oilfields if it invades and is looking into the possibility of ramping up oil production beyond the U.N. oil-for-food program to pay for post-war reconstruction, Bush administration officials said on Sunday.
  
  
  The oil fields are the property of the Iraqi people," Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) told NBC's "Meet the Press."
  
  
  "And if the coalition of forces goes into those oil fields, we would want to protect those fields and make sure they are used to benefit the people of Iraq and are not destroyed or damaged by the failing regime on the way out the door," he said.
  
  
  Revenue generated from the oilfields would be used "in accordance with international law, governed and managed by the U.N and U.N forces, and to benefit the people of Iraq," he added

 

[Rilescat]

Just a question on the draft....I am the sole supporter for my family. I am 24 years old, so right prime for draft age (as I gather). If I were to be drafted, would the government subsidize my income to my family, or am I supposed to let them starve until I return?

I am just looking to understand....

Thanks

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: notfred
If the United States was being attacked, I'd serve. If the president wants to sacrifice American lives for a personal vendetta or to lower the price of oil imported from the middle east, I wouldn't (I wouldn't RUN, I just wouldn't serve).

The US was attacked last year. Did you sign up? Or didn't that fit into your criteria for a worthwhile cause?

I wish I could locate a link to the news I saw on TV last night. The Oil Field Plan wasn't a plan to "protect" the oil fields. It was more like we were going in and taking them over. The US should give the Oil Fields to whomever is in power because it is Iraqi oil. If we want to eliminate Saddam that is ok with me, but to take over the Oil Fields and for the US to make all the decisions is "commy" within itself.

Since you have debunked the statement that we are not protecting the oil fields but taking them over for our own use, I can only assume that this is an area of expertise for you. Please tell us how we should go about securing the oil fields.

 

[Pepsei]

When I took my oath to be a citizen of this country... I agreed that I would serve if asked. If I was working for the CIA, I can see myself shooting innocent people for the good of the country.

how come you naturally borned citzens don't have to take an oath? gee whiz...

hey, on a side note... I rember promising that I was never a commie and will never be a commie (easy for me since I hate commies). how come people born in the US are allowed to be a member of the communist party? odd

 

[hdeck]

i dunno, mexico is just a few hours away...

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: EndGame
As for the "if it was a worthwhile cause" argument, whose to say what is or isn't?

When it's my life on the line - I am.

Really? Good thing you're here in the US and protected by her laws others fought and gave their lives to protect then because if you were in a majority of other countries, (Germany, Russia, China, Japan, etc.) you would not be so lucky as to have a choice in the matter!

 

[Ime]

I'd serve.

 

[BoberFett]

I served in the military 10 years ago. But if I were called up today I'd tell them to stuff it.

A draft is completely wrong. If out of the few hundred million people living in this country, they can't round up enough people who VOLUNTEER to fight, then we have no business fighting the war. The American people obviously won't support a war that they won't volunteer their sons and daughters for.

I think if there was a cause worth fighting for, Americans would see it and volunteer to defend themselves.

 

[FettsBabe]

Oldest son, Qusay controls the security and military for Iraq. Uday has the political institution. Uday has a degree is engineering and military studies. He is also the commanding leader for Iraq's Guerrillas militia. Sounds to me like they have been in control with Saddam for awhile now.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States plans to secure Iraqi oilfields if it invades and is looking into the possibility of ramping up oil production beyond the U.N. oil-for-food program to pay for post-war reconstruction, Bush administration officials said on Sunday.

*What I saw last night had nothing to do with the "oil for food program." If this is what we did it would be fine.

 

[tarheelmm]

I would serve.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I would serve. Anyone who ran whom I know, I would turn in or shoot them myself. Stupid bastards. :|

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I served in the military 10 years ago. But if I were called up today I'd tell them to stuff it.

A draft is completely wrong. If out of the few hundred million people living in this country, they can't round up enough people who VOLUNTEER to fight, then we have no business fighting the war. The American people obviously won't support a war that they won't volunteer their sons and daughters for.

I think if there was a cause worth fighting for, Americans would see it and volunteer to defend themselves.

Yeah, right. How many Americans volunteered to fight Hitler? Was he worth fighting against? There was no big rush to join until after Pearl Harbor. Of course there was no rush of any sort last year after this country was attacked and 3000 people were killed so who's to guess what motivates some people.

 

[StageLeft]

If I believed in the cause I have to say that I'd run. Many would say that if your country's leaders deem it worthy then it is.

Nonetheless although I used to say I'd run now I feel that the country is made on the backs of those who die in great part and if you're asked to serve you are running away from your duty.

 

[Mill]

Fettsbabe- Ahem. Since EndGame's link wasn't enough I will post this:

The Bush administration is anxious to see the results of the inspections, Secretary of State Colin Powell told American television Sunday.

He said that "we are positioning our military forces for whatever might be required," but added that in the event of a war, Iraq's "oil fields are the property of the Iraqi people."

"If a coalition force goes into those oil fields, we want to protect those fields and make sure they're used to benefit the people of Iraq and not destroyed or damaged by the failing regime on the way out the door," Powell added.


From CNN

 

[abaez]

Originally posted by: notfred
If the United States was being attacked, I'd serve. If the president wants to sacrifice American lives for a personal vendetta or to lower the price of oil imported from the middle east, I wouldn't (I wouldn't RUN, I just wouldn't serve).

 

[Soybomb]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I would serve. Anyone who ran whom I know, I would turn in or shoot them myself. Stupid bastards. :|

And then you would go to jail for murder. Excellent plan. I would call anyone who blindly obeys their government a stupid bastard.

how come people born in the US are allowed to be a member of the communist party? odd

Its a concept called freedom of choice, a value held highly in this country.

I would fight if the cause were just, if we're talking another Vietnam or something then no. I'm strongly opposed to killing people who do not directly threaten the nation.

No matter there is no draft and won't be

 

[Cfour]

I'd serve.

 

[Mill]

Does anyone other than a select few here UNDERSTAND how Selective Service and the draft has changed since Carter reinstated it? Are you aware of the Classifications if a Draft was instated. Jesus people.