Drafted Box Art for 4 and 8 Core Bulldozer CPU's

[zebrax2]

The first box looks like the firefox logo while the other one looks like it came from dragon age.

so does 8 cores mean 4 BD cores?

I think you mean modules

 

[sandorski]

They look like box art for juice boxes...

hehe, indeed.

 

[Idontcare]

I have a hard time putting any stock in these leaks of late for the simple fact that none of them entail clockspeeds of the cores.

People will leak clockspeeds before leaking "FX-8130P"...unless this is AMD intentionally leaking details to control the flow of info.

I mean come on, if you were someone who had details about bulldozer would you (a) leak the clockspeeds, or (b) leak that the SKU name was "FX-8130P"?

I just don't buy it. Any geek who was willing to risk losing his job over leaking the SKU name would just cut to the quick and let out the juice that they know the nerd world wants to know...clockspeeds.

 

[bandgit]

These are from an informal survey AMD had regarding new packaging. It's in no official that the final retail box would look anything like this, but since most of the reaction on different forums has been positive it wouldn't surprise me.

OK, if it's a focus group sample it makes sense. If it's a final art for packaging, then it's way too undeveloped. As for my personal taste, I think it sux. :thumbsdown: But that's just me!

 

[podspi]

I just don't buy it. Any geek who was willing to risk losing his job over leaking the SKU name would just cut to the quick and let out the juice that they know the nerd world wants to know...clockspeeds.

Not only that, but what if AMD is playing the same shenanigans they played with the Radeon 5xxx series (they had multiple names for eyefinity so they could easily locate who leaked what).

I'm actually more interested in IPC than clockspeed. I expect BD clockspeed to be within ~ 15% of SB.

 

[Idontcare]

Not only that, but what if AMD is playing the same shenanigans they played with the Radeon 5xxx series (they had multiple names for eyefinity so they could easily locate who leaked what).

I'm actually more interested in IPC than clockspeed. I expect BD clockspeed to be within ~ 15% of SB.

I'm more concerned with surprises to the downside in terms of launch clockspeeds, so I'd like to see something that justifies putting those concerns to rest.

 

[drizek]

I have a hard time putting any stock in these leaks of late for the simple fact that none of them entail clockspeeds of the cores.

Well if Bulldozer is anything like Barcelona, AMD doesn't actually know the clock speeds at this point.

It would be pretty pathetic if this is actually the case, but it is plausible.

 

[videoclone]

That graph came from this link so it is legit http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...ulldozer_Chips_Incoming_Details_Revealed.html

 

[podspi]

I'm more concerned with surprises to the downside in terms of launch clockspeeds, so I'd like to see something that justifies putting those concerns to rest.

If the leaked marketing messaging is true -- it looks to me like they're pushing overclocking pretty hard. Would be a pretty large marketing-fail if it didn't clock! Only time will tell... :hmm:

 

[Castiel]

I have a hard time putting any stock in these leaks of late for the simple fact that none of them entail clockspeeds of the cores.

People will leak clockspeeds before leaking "FX-8130P"...unless this is AMD intentionally leaking details to control the flow of info.

I mean come on, if you were someone who had details about bulldozer would you (a) leak the clockspeeds, or (b) leak that the SKU name was "FX-8130P"?

I just don't buy it. Any geek who was willing to risk losing his job over leaking the SKU name would just cut to the quick and let out the juice that they know the nerd world wants to know...clockspeeds.

I totally agree IDC but if you look at the TDP it gives us a window into possible clock speeds with the 125W TDP 8 core being clocked in the 3.4-3.6ghz range. As i said in another thread if these slides are correct and it takes 8 cores to beat the 4 cores of sandy bridge then this is a huge FAIL for amd.

Were not even talking about SB-E here. Were talking about mainstream processors.

 

[Dresdenboy]

I totally agree IDC but if you look at the TDP it gives us a window into possible clock speeds with the 125W TDP 8 core being clocked in the 3.4-3.6ghz range.

What is your estimation based on?

 

[Castiel]

What is your estimation based on?

Pure speculation compared to the lesser non P 8 core.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Pure speculation compared to the lesser non P 8 core.

BTW AMD's John Taylor in an interview at CeBit said, that Zambezi will offer 40% more performance than AMD's current offerings. ( http://bit.ly/ggVtvV )

I find something else interesting:

So while AMD officially positions Zacate against Pentium, Llano against i3 and half of i5 and Zambezi against i5 and i7 likely from a different standpoint than price (second slide, likely a marketing standpoint), it does not from a price standpoint. Is it still the case that AMD needs to offer a discount for it's performance to increase sales? This could lead to the skewing of positioning when looking at system price (first slide).

So is it possible to derive some performance estimates based on that?

 

[Castiel]

BTW AMD's John Taylor in an interview at CeBit said, that Zambezi will offer 40% more performance than AMD's current offerings. ( http://bit.ly/ggVtvV )

I find something else interesting:

So while AMD officially positions Zacate against Pentium, Llano against i3 and half of i5 and Zambezi against i5 and i7 likely from a different standpoint than price (second slide, likely a marketing standpoint), it does not from a price standpoint. Is it still the case that AMD needs to offer a discount for it's performance to increase sales? This could lead to the skewing of positioning when looking at system price (first slide).

So is it possible to derive some performance estimates based on that?

I'm not sure but the more i read about BD the less and less i care about it. All i seem to read is that the more cores the better and amd's with more cores will be better then 4 cores of intel. Give me single threaded performance anyday over more cores.

Amd throwing more and more cores to keep up with intel is like throwing a bandaid over a person's wound who just cut his leg off. Were not even talking about high end here. Sandy Bridge is mainstream. Just wait till SB-E arrives and then IB 22nm in 9 months. What is amd going to do against Ivy Bridge chips that can do 5Ghz on a daily basis?

Edit - Amd preaches "More Cores Overclocked" in that picture. How exactly is it going to overclock great with a 125W TDP on air where SB is around 80W TDP?

 

[podspi]

Edit - Amd preaches "More Cores Overclocked" in that picture. How exactly is it going to overclock great with a 125W TDP on air where SB is around 80W TDP?

Most of the BD chips are @ 95W, ASSUMING the leaks are correct. For all we know, the "P" model could come in at over 4ghz.

 

[Idontcare]

BTW AMD's John Taylor in an interview at CeBit said, that Zambezi will offer 40% more performance than AMD's current offerings. ( http://bit.ly/ggVtvV )

Oh boy. Somewhere on the planet a Phynaz just shuddered uncontrollably.

 

[Castiel]

Most of the BD chips are @ 95W, ASSUMING the leaks are correct. For all we know, the "P" model could come in at over 4ghz.

My guess is that the 8130P will be clocked at 3Ghz

 

[Skurge]

My guess is that the 8130P will be clocked at 3Ghz

Then what about the 3.5ghz+ they mentioned? Thats official btw, not from some possibly fake slides.

 

[Idontcare]

My guess is that the 8130P will be clocked at 3Ghz

I just can't fathom that they'd take such a step back in going from 45nm doped-poly gate with plasma nitrided gate-ox to 32nm HK/MG considering the 1090T. Llano yes, BD no. (I'd expect Llano to be more optimized for lower-power than for performance)

 

[podspi]

I just can't fathom that they'd take such a step back in going from 45nm doped-poly gate with plasma nitrided gate-ox to 32nm HK/MG considering the 1090T. Llano yes, BD no. (I'd expect Llano to be more optimized for lower-power than for performance)

Llano is going to be really interesting. I'd love to know if they have Turbo integrated with the GPU, so the CPU can appropriate its TDP as well (ala SB). I think desktop Llano has the potential to clock higher than any Stars-derived CPU we've seen yet.

Even if AMD doesn't deliver it with sky-high clocks (because the target market just doesn't care) I think it'll be a fun cheap overclocking CPU, which honestly are the best kind.

I have a lowly 125W 1055T OC'd to 3.4ghz (with turbo enabled, little good that it does me) on stock voltage. It's insane to think Bulldozer on a better manufacturing process, designed for high clock speeds, and smaller die size is going to clock lower.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Chip-level die size and TDP isn't a good metric to judge its overclocking capabilities and/or clock speeds. Core level might be, but who releases that info?

 

[gevorg]

So I guess FX-4110 will compete with i5-2500K if the prices are close.

 

[ElFenix]

I think you mean modules

yeah that

 

[exar333]

From what I know AMD can do HT too, or is hyperthreading only for Intel ...if bulldozer does do HT then thats 16 logical cores for your video editing or audio editing software...

AMD does not have HT. Never has, and nothing coming out anytime soon will either.

 

[exar333]

So I guess FX-4110 will compete with i5-2500K if the prices are close.

I can't be the only one who thinks the new 'FX' is a complete joke.

Edit: Sorry, not in performance per se, but in marketing. FX used to be like EE for Intel. FX priced against a mainstream $200-300 CPU? Seems odd to me.