Dragon Age 3: Inquisition announced

[zinfamous]

Agree, that is the problem with the war table.

As far as money is concerned. Like I said, I'm at the skyhold part now + around 8-10 hours and I've bought ONE thing. I bought a schematic. Otherwise, f**king nothing is worth buying, it's all crap. I have 10,000 gold and for what? Oh, that's not true, actually. I completely gave up picking herbs, so now I buy all my elf root and dawn lotus, so that is entirely where my money goes. Buying herbs.

Also, all the upgrades to skyhold for aesthetics, seriously? I'm going to pay to change the appearance of my bedroom? A room I never go in? In a single player game? That's just stupid, there's no reason that is in the game.

wait, you didn't spend 9k gold to buy the mystery chest off that guy?

...probably the only thing worth the $$ in the game, imo.

Don't recall being able to change your bedroom. Just an infirmary or training ground; wizard tower or templar tower, and something something--oh the garden. And yes--none of them really do anything. At least in the garden, you can plant a few seeds to have a somewhat endless source of rare herbs if you need them for upgrades (somewhat endless--because waiting for respawn is something that no one will bother with. It's actually faster just to farm them in their normal spots or gather as you go)

 

[zinfamous]

I would have much preferred if skyhold had some form of income, and that was the reason for upgrades. E.g. as you gain power at the war room, people are supporting the inquisition, skyhold's population increases (changing skyhold, upgrading, etc), which increases the economy (changing skyhold, upgrading shops, etc), increasing your tax base, and you as inquisitor get a cut.

Oh look, I just fixed my biggest complaints in two sentences. Where the eff was Bioware on that one?

yeah. I feel like a lot of this stuff will be in DLC at some point. It appears that all of this is there and just waiting to be unlocked, but currently there is this glaring hole. I like the judgement aspect of sending someone off to prison or lopping off their head. You can't upgrade the prison, but it isn't like there is a significant number of potential prisoners, anyway. That system could use an upgrade, or at least more tangible consequences based on your decision.

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[KeithTalent]

well, same thing. I spent the first 90% or so of my play through selling nearly everything that dropped, then near the end, I think I spent whatever cash I accumulated on some tier 3 schematics...and I don't think I ever used them.

You can't see the quality of those schematics until you try to use them--so that you can compare with what you already have--so that's annoying.

I bought a few in the Imperial capital place (the expensive ones, so I assumed they were good) but ended up being two items lower armor or DPS than what I had already found. I tried to clear out the schematics from the desert guy and that last Inquisition fort in Ponce de Lion or wherever, but I think I ran out of monies.

Hmm, guess it's still early for me then. I'll keep saving my pennies.

By the way I did craft my first stuff the other day and you were all correct, what I crafted was much better than what I had already found (I crafted a helmet). It was also simpler than I thought; it looked really complicated when I first went to the crafting stations, but I actually paid attention this time and it was pretty simple. I did not realize you could craft the same thing but with different materials to give you different attributes/bonuses, I thought you had to get every single one of the materials listed before you could craft it.

KT

 

[bystander36]

10k gold is actually kind of broke in this game. All the good items cost between 7k and 15k. You have enough gold to buy 1 tier 3 weapon or armor schematic, and an upgrade slot. You might also find yourself spending thousands buying potion and tonic ingredients too.

The gold in the game isn't needed, but it definitely disappears fast if you use it.

 

[Mem]

Little MP rant by me,there are some terrible players in MP,don't they know they are supposed to work as a team,I had no mage giving me barrier protection as tank(no guard skill yet),when I was doing a round at the end reviving players at boss fight match and tanking nobody bothered to revive me when I was clear of all mobs so when I died yep they all died,sort of glad they died with me,justice lol,xp is shared so is gold, no reason not to work as a team,one guy ran off on his own and got overpowered by too many of them,even with f4 command "come to me" he ignored it.

I hope they learn their lesson.

You don't have to be a great player but common sense and staying together helps hell of a lot.

 

[zinfamous]

Little MP rant by me,there are some terrible players in MP,don't they know they are supposed to work as a team,I had no mage giving me barrier protection as tank(no guard skill yet),when I was going a round at the end reviving players at boss fight match and tanking nobody bothered to revive me when I was clear of all mobs so when I died yep they all died,sort of glad they died with me,justice lol,xp is shared so is gold, no reason not to work as a team,one guy ran off on his own and got overpowered by too many of them,even with f4 command "come to me" he ignored it.

I hope they learn their lesson.

You don't have to be a great player but common sense and staying together helps hell of a lot.

I suspect that the ave. player trying out MP in this game isn't going to be your ave. MMO type player.

DA, and Bioware game are heavy single player games, even though they are very popular and so you would probably get all types of gamers. Just saying that a regular MMO player would default to understanding their class roles from the start.

 

[Mem]

I suspect that the ave. player trying out MP in this game isn't going to be your ave. MMO type player.

DA, and Bioware game are heavy single player games, even though they are very popular and so you would probably get all types of gamers. Just saying that a regular MMO player would default to understanding their class roles from the start.

They were not level 1 noob players ie 8 and level 10,they should know the basic mechanics by that level,I always give those below level 5 the benefit of the doubt.


I just did another MP game and we were all tanks ie no mages or archers and you know we all worked well as a team,some player classes seem to understand more then others IMHO.

Side note: They are giving you a free chest for 100 weapon maul kills or sword kills ,so there will be a lot of melee players in this weekend to complete the weekend challenge.

 

[bystander36]

They were not level 1 noob players ie 8 and level 10,they should know the basic mechanics by that level,I always give those below level 5 the benefit of the doubt.


I just did another MP game and we were all tanks ie no mages or archers and you know we all worked well as a team,some player classes seem to understand more then others IMHO.

Side note: They are giving you a free chest for 100 weapon maul kills or sword kills ,so there will be a lot of melee players in this weekend to complete the weekend challenge.

Even your average MMO player is pretty bad, but I have a feeling the biggest issue is that players making mages, don't think of themselves as support characters. In most games, a support player picks the healing class, but they don't have one now, so one of the DPS classes kind of has the role of support as well, and most just aren't willing to do it.

You used to see this in WoW and other MMO's, where someone picked a DPS class that also had healing, and they'd never heal, even when the group was desperate for some help.

 

[Carfax83]

Wow, it's actually shocking how little graphical difference there is between DAI on the PC and DAI on PS4. Sure, the PC has more foliage, a bit better textures in the draw distance and more tessellation but the game looks 90% identical. That's incredible for console owners considering PS4 is just $400 and very disappointing for PC gaming when we have 970 SLI and 4790K/5820K at our disposal.

PC also has better ambient occlusion, more complex shadows, and better lighting. And not to mention, much higher performance. The PS4 can barely maintain 30 FPS at 1080p in DAI (drops into the 20s during intense moments), whereas PCs can have a much higher resolution plus much higher frame rate as well.

Comparison video shows the differences more clearly

Anyway, thats the real advantage of PC gaming. You don't have to make compromises. You can have your cake at eat it too..

 

[Mem]

Even your average MMO player is pretty bad, but I have a feeling the biggest issue is that players making mages, don't think of themselves as support characters. In most games, a support player picks the healing class, but they don't have one now, so one of the DPS classes kind of has the role of support as well, and most just aren't willing to do it.

You used to see this in WoW and other MMO's, where someone picked a DPS class that also had healing, and they'd never heal, even when the group was desperate for some help.

I found something worst then bad team players,high level players going in on lowest MP level and killing everything before the low levels players can,sure you get xp and gold but no chance of getting personal kill credits towards weekend challenge(ie 100 sword kills),very hard for low level,I just did one with low level legionnaire and got I think six kills with starter sword (could not get to the targets fast enough to compete with high level players that took them down in a second,takes me a lot longer due to low level and low melee gear),sounds bad but mages and archers have the advantage of range dps ,where melee have to run up to the targets and use sword,if the other guy is high level melee with sword or range basically you have very low chance of getting the kill.

I can swap to my high level mage and obviously level the playing field but that defeats the purpose of my sword weekend challenge and really is not fair if I stay on lowest MP level for my high level class.

Lowest MP map levels are recommended for 1 to 8 player level, I was seeing level 16,18 level players etc,really crazy,next maps level is for 8 to 16s, and there is also one more above that.

I saw quite a few guys leave when they realized they could not get to the targets before the targets died due to high level players just wiping out all mobs in front of them,no fun in that ,you are basically just watching.

 

[Red Hawk]

PC also has better ambient occlusion, more complex shadows, and better lighting. And not to mention, much higher performance. The PS4 can barely maintain 30 FPS at 1080p in DAI (drops into the 20s during intense moments), whereas PCs can have a much higher resolution plus much higher frame rate as well.

Comparison video shows the differences more clearly

Anyway, thats the real advantage of PC gaming. You don't have to make compromises. You can have your cake at eat it too..

And we're well past the point where high-end graphics cards are no longer targeting 1080p as the golden standard of fidelity, but 1440p up to 4K. If you ran a comparison of PS4 footage to PC footage rendered at 1440p or above, obviously the PC version would look a lot more clean and sharp. If you get a 970 SLI and 4790/5820K combo just to play console ports at 1080P, you're doing it wrong.

 

[cmdrdredd]

And we're well past the point where high-end graphics cards are no longer targeting 1080p as the golden standard of fidelity, but 1440p up to 4K. If you ran a comparison of PS4 footage to PC footage rendered at 1440p or above, obviously the PC version would look a lot more clean and sharp. If you get a 970 SLI and 4790/5820K combo just to play console ports at 1080P, you're doing it wrong.

With DSR allowing you to basically run 1440p or higher on a 1080p screen there is no excuse to use that kind of power for simply 1080p. Unless the game is just obscenely demanding, which DAI is not.

 

[RussianSensation]

PC also has better ambient occlusion, more complex shadows, and better lighting. And not to mention, much higher performance. The PS4 can barely maintain 30 FPS at 1080p in DAI (drops into the 20s during intense moments), whereas PCs can have a much higher resolution plus much higher frame rate as well.

Comparison video shows the differences more clearly

Anyway, thats the real advantage of PC gaming. You don't have to make compromises. You can have your cake at eat it too..

I am not talking about performance and FPS. I am talking about graphics. Even in the video you posted, he confirms there are only subtle differences. The game looks 90% if not 95% identical on the PS4. If someone did a blind test on a 65" Panasonic plasma 10 feet away, without looking at the UI, it would be really hard to distinguish the 2 versions. Stating that well the PC allows one to run games at 1440-4K is a cop out. Crysis 1 blew everyhing away even at 1280x1024 on my 8800GTS on medium settings. True Next generation graphics trump higher resolution advantages. If someone made a true next gen PC game with realistic physics, AI, lighting/shadow/texture model, at 1080p, it would blow Crysis 3 at 4k right out of the water. You can throw as high resolution as you want at an old game, it won't make its current gen graphics next generation.

Since console gaming is often done on a large TV with viewing distance that makes the PS4 version sharp to begin with, I think the resolution is a cop out point that PC gamers use to justify their thousand dollar hardware. One would get better constrast, deeper blacks, superior viewing angles and better colours on a 60-65 inch Panny/Samsung Plasma vs. a 27 1440p PC IPS display. So in reality the PC version might even be at a greater disadvantage in key areas. No one needed to make excuses for Crysis 1 to run at 1600p on the PC to destroy a PS3 game. It's about pushing PC hardware to 1 level above what's currently available on PS4 or Ryse Son of Rome on XB1. No one has done that so far.

Fact is we currently do not have a single true next generation PC game. Star Citizen might be the first one. Sure I can go 4K and Tri-980s but I am still playing slightly improved console graphics in Watch Dogs or DAI or Titanfall or Evil Within and that won't drop jaws of any console gamers like Crysis 1 did. I don't expect for EA to make a true next gen DAI PC game and a separate PS4 version though but still I would have liked the PC version scaled down to PS4. In this case with cut scenes at 30 fps, it seems the console version was the priority first. The graphics differences between cross-platform games today are very subtle vs. major differences last gen but even last gen many complained we had too many console ports. Right now PS4 is giving 90% of the graphics but PC will have nothing to match Uncharted 4 in 2015. We won't have our own Crysis 1 is what I am saying. That's the sad part because GPUs and CPUs will get even faster.

Not trying to criticize DAI as this affected all 2014 cross-platform games. This game is still a massive improvement over DA2.

 

[RussianSensation]

And we're well past the point where high-end graphics cards are no longer targeting 1080p as the golden standard of fidelity, but 1440p up to 4K. If you ran a comparison of PS4 footage to PC footage rendered at 1440p or above, obviously the PC version would look a lot more clean and sharp. If you get a 970 SLI and 4790/5820K combo just to play console ports at 1080P, you're doing it wrong.

It would look cleaner and sharper up close but the graphics tech is from the same engine, same exact graphics generation.

We are only past that point since the PC platform is not the leading platform and almost no one makes PC games from the ground up anymore (Star Citizen, Crysis 1). Let someone make a true next generation PC game and it will drop 970SLi at 1080p. Remember you couldn't max out graphical features of Crysis 1 even with $1000 GTX280 SLI at 1080p.

I think people forgot what Crysis 1 did and how it had technologies beyond anything 360/PS3 had. There was no such game on the PC in 2014 and not looking like any game like that will come out in 2015. The PC really needs its own Uncharted 4 as a halo game to push tech so GM200 SLI chokes at High settings before we even talk about AA and 4K. We have none. Broken engine console ports that run like crap (AC Unity) don't count as an example.

 

[Carfax83]

I am not talking about performance and FPS.

But that's arguably the most important part of the equation. What good are pretty graphics if the game is a slideshow? 30 FPS is the bare minimum for a game like this, and the PS4 is not capable of maintaining it at 1080p.

PC gaming is about having an elevated experience above what the consoles can offer. Prettier graphics is just one aspect of that overall experience. Performance, moddability, flexibility etcetera are some of the others..

I am talking about graphics. Even in the video you posted, he confirms there are only subtle differences. The game looks 90% if not 95% identical on the PS4. If someone did a blind test on a 65" Panasonic plasma 10 feet away, without looking at the UI, it would be really hard to distinguish the 2 versions.

Only a blind man would find difficulty distinguishing between the two. And the author didn't even run the game at the highest settings. He had the textures on ultra, but there is a higher option called "fade touched" which are uncompressed textures.

But I could easily tell the difference in that compressed video, especially the lighting and ambient occlusion. Mesh quality is also better on PC.

Stating that well the PC allows one to run games at 1440-4K is a cop out. Crysis 1 blew everyhing away even at 1280x1024 on my 8800GTS on medium settings. True Next generation graphics trump higher resolution advantages.

Crysis eventually made it to the Xbox 360 and PS3, so it wasn't as great a graphical leap as you think it was if they could get it to run on last gen hardware..

Also, one of the biggest problems with Crysis from a performance perspective wasn't just the extreme graphics, but that it used a single threaded renderer. If it used a multithreaded renderer like today's native DX11 games, then it would have run much faster.

Since console gaming is often done on a large TV with viewing distance that makes the PS4 version sharp to begin with, I think the resolution is a cop out point that PC gamers use to justify their thousand dollar hardware. One would get better constrast, deeper blacks, superior viewing angles and better colours on a 60-65 inch Panny/Samsung Plasma vs. a 27 1440p PC IPS display.

And pixels about 3 times the size. I've tried gaming on a big screen T.V before, and I wasn't impressed. Pixel density is much better on monitors, which gives a clearer and sharper image.

Right now PS4 is giving 90% of the graphics but PC will have nothing to match Uncharted 4 in 2015. We won't have our own Crysis 1 is what I am saying. That's the sad part because GPUs and CPUs will get even faster.

UC4 is nothing compared to the Witcher 3. Witcher 3, Star Citizen and Batman Arkham Knight will be PC Halo games in 2015.

Open world games are where the consoles struggle the most, and the PC excels.

The PC really needs its own Uncharted 4 as a halo game to push tech so GM200 SLI chokes at High settings before we even talk about AA and 4K. We have none. Broken engine console ports that run like crap (AC Unity) don't count as an example.

You can make any hardware no matter how powerful it is choke if you choose the right settings. Using high levels of MSAA and or downsampling are the easiest ways to do it.

Personally, I prefer games that not only look good, but perform well on current hardware. Nobody wants a slideshow.

 

[Red Hawk]

With DSR allowing you to basically run 1440p or higher on a 1080p screen there is no excuse to use that kind of power for simply 1080p. Unless the game is just obscenely demanding, which DAI is not.

That's true as well. Both AMD and Nvidia have driver methods of superscaling, and individual games (including Dragon Age Inquisition) have native methods of superscaling.

It would look cleaner and sharper up close but the graphics tech is from the same engine, same exact graphics generation.

We are only past that point since the PC platform is not the leading platform and almost no one makes PC games from the ground up anymore (Star Citizen, Crysis 1). Let someone make a true next generation PC game and it will drop 970SLi at 1080p. Remember you couldn't max out graphical features of Crysis 1 even with $1000 GTX280 SLI at 1080p.

I think people forgot what Crysis 1 did and how it had technologies beyond anything 360/PS3 had. There was no such game on the PC in 2014 and not looking like any game like that will come out in 2015. The PC really needs its own Uncharted 4 as a halo game to push tech so GM200 SLI chokes at High settings before we even talk about AA and 4K. We have none. Broken engine console ports that run like crap (AC Unity) don't count as an example.

This is not something new. Crysis 1 was made for the ground up for PC...can you name another game from during the past console generation that was? Crysis 1 was the exception, as it looks like Star Citizen will be the new exception. Plus, 1080p was not the console target with the 7th generation of consoles, 720p was. If it was worth it to target 1080p with 280 SLI in Crysis at the time, then 4K should be the target for 970 SLI now.

 

[KeithTalent]

Ugh, I actually get to meet my Hawke from DA2, but it's not my Hawke at all. It's some random dude and I have no choice but to accept his as such. So disappointing that they totally imported the wrong thing and do not even give me the option to change it.

KT

 

[escrow4]

Ugh, I actually get to meet my Hawke from DA2, but it's not my Hawke at all. It's some random dude and I have no choice but to accept his as such. So disappointing that they totally imported the wrong thing and do not even give me the option to change it.

KT

You do. There is a clear option to import save or customize from what I remember.

 

[Mem]

Ugh, I actually get to meet my Hawke from DA2, but it's not my Hawke at all. It's some random dude and I have no choice but to accept his as such. So disappointing that they totally imported the wrong thing and do not even give me the option to change it.

KT

Yep,I had the same issue,

Spoiler

I decided to kill him off in the end

.

 

[KeithTalent]

You do. There is a clear option to import save or customize from what I remember.

I did import, but it apparently did not work. I Googled and it is an issue other people had as well.

Yep,I had the same issue,

Spoiler

I decided to kill him off in the end

.

Heh, I have a feeling I will be doing the same. Really unfortunate because I loved my Hawke from DA2.

KT

 

[Red Hawk]

Ugh, I actually get to meet my Hawke from DA2, but it's not my Hawke at all. It's some random dude and I have no choice but to accept his as such. So disappointing that they totally imported the wrong thing and do not even give me the option to change it.

KT

They do give you the option to change it, you must have missed it. You can't just import your DA2 Hawke's face though.

 

[KeithTalent]

They do give you the option to change it, you must have missed it. You can't just import your DA2 Hawke's face though.

Not in the game. There was no option to change the gender. Could change his look all I wanted, but he was a dude no matter what I did.

KT

 

[Red Hawk]

Not in the game. There was no option to change the gender. Could change his look all I wanted, but he was a dude no matter what I did.

KT

Did you use the Dragon Age Keep to create a world state, and did you import your Dragon Age 2 profile into the Keep?

 

[bystander36]

The gender and lore of what happened is controlled in the Dragonagekeep.com site, but the actual appearance is controlled when you first meet him/her.

 

[KeithTalent]

Did you use the Dragon Age Keep to create a world state, and did you import your Dragon Age 2 profile into the Keep?

I imported my DA2 and Origins into the Keep and his gotten most other things correct. It just seems to happen:
http://forum.bioware.com/topic/524689-wrong-gender-imported/

Does not matter now.

KT