Dragon Age 3: Inquisition announced

[Red Hawk]

We won't be agreeing anytime soon, I see. I do wonder if your stance will change as the micro transactions continue to grow unchecked like a cancer in games though. Are you prepared to pay 70 dollars for a game, a monthly fee for multiplayer, plus the MTs for weapons, characters, classes, maps, etc? Thats the road gaming is on, and one that some seem proud to be on.

Well there's an argument to be made that, with inflation and expanding game development costs, that games should be $70, but no publisher is brave enough to start selling games at that price, so they've snuck it in through things like day 1 DLC and "deluxe" editions of games. But that's tangential to the discussion about multiplayer.

All I'm saying is that I found ME3's multiplayer system to be fair and that it benefited both paying and non-players. I don't pay anything, under that system, but I still get the maps, weapons, characters, etc. If they keep it that way, I'm fine with it. If they do something like charge monthly for multiplayer or what not -- which, you know, is not really that outlandish of an idea, as evidenced by the success of paid MMORPGs. But the decline of paid MMORPGs is also an indication that other multiplayer games won't head that direction -- then I'll respond by not paying for it. I enjoyed Mass Effect 3's multiplayer, but I wouldn't pay extra for it past the cost of buying the game.

 

[escrow4]

Just finished the game. I did like how optional side-quests along the way affect some of the last battles. The story got pretty interesting, but the actual final battles were nothing too special. Didn't quite have the same build-up as the final dragon/corrupted god battle in DA:O though. Still fun.

The one thing I was VERY disappointed in was how the game selects the new divine, following the game conclusion. No spoilers, but you get the opportunity to select a successor and do certain activities and make decisions around. Unfortunately, the game seems to make the choice based on some really suspect variables....definitely will make some changes around this in the Keep before the next one.

I was definitely over-leveled for the main content. Even on the hardest difficulty, the Empire Du Leon dragons were more challenging (IMHO) than some of the final battles. That's not too unexpected though....I did put in about 120 hours.

Definitely will play through again, with less side-quests, with a different party in a bit. Looking to try Sera, Solus and Iron Bull.

What opportunity to decide the Divine? The game decides. I wanted to blow the Chantry up but sadly couldn't.

Multiplayer should be abolished from RPGs. I want story and epicness not multirubbish.

 

[bystander36]

What opportunity to decide the Divine? The game decides. I wanted to blow the Chantry up but sadly couldn't.

Multiplayer should be abolished from RPGs. I want story and epicness not multirubbish.

Spoiler

In my games, I had the ability to choose who was to be divine. The first time, due to laziness, I opened up the option for Liliana and didn't follow up with the other options. My 2nd play through, I was given the option to choose Liliana, Vivienne or Cassandra, and chose Cassandra. Liliana and Cassandra choices are given by going through all their dialog and quests, eventually given the ability to suggest one or the other. Vivienne also had a mission that needed to be done to give her support. That was a surprise, as earlier conversations had her suggest Cassandra would be best, then all of a sudden the war table had a marker to give Vivienne support.

 

[Zenoth]

Well there's an argument to be made that, with inflation and expanding game development costs, that games should be $70, but no publisher is brave enough to start selling games at that price, so they've snuck it in through things like day 1 DLC and "deluxe" editions of games. But that's tangential to the discussion about multiplayer.

All I'm saying is that I found ME3's multiplayer system to be fair and that it benefited both paying and non-players. I don't pay anything, under that system, but I still get the maps, weapons, characters, etc. If they keep it that way, I'm fine with it. If they do something like charge monthly for multiplayer or what not -- which, you know, is not really that outlandish of an idea, as evidenced by the success of paid MMORPGs. But the decline of paid MMORPGs is also an indication that other multiplayer games won't head that direction -- then I'll respond by not paying for it. I enjoyed Mass Effect 3's multiplayer, but I wouldn't pay extra for it past the cost of buying the game.

Agreed about ME3's multiplayer, it's really fun.

According to Origin I got 1413 hours in ME3. I only played the campaign one time (early adopter, on launch... finished it about a week after its release) and it took me about 38 hours or so. So the rest is all multiplayer... yup, I like it.

Inquisition's MP by comparison - to me - feels very slow-paced, sluggish and just overall uninteresting (regardless of the micro transactions being really horrible, or so I've read). I'll actually play DA:I's MP if they include dragons and giants or make things more interesting. For now it feels slow, small (maps) and just way too generic.

I DO really like how the characters speak to each others though, nice touch there, now that part is better than ME3's non-talkative MP characters (other than just yelling "Banshee!!!" or "I'm down!"). I admit, however, that hearing the same lines from the MP characters in Inquisition over and over again do start to get old at some point (not "annoying" per say, just... old, it's predictable and you get to memorize everything). I've seen suggestions on the BioWare forums and one of them was asking for a new MP-related option in the audio settings to disable MP characters speech, that would be nice (for some people certainly).

So anyway... losing my train of thoughts here...

Yeah so ME3's MP is really good. My only problem with it is of course that BioWare stopped supporting it just a year after the game's release (essentially after the Citadel DLC was out) and to this day there's MANY obvious bugs that linger and regularly [negatively] affect the MP experience (any ME3 MP players around knows about that). They would have needed at least another year to work on it, fixing bugs and rebalancing a few things here and there. I don't really like Inquisition's MP (for now) but I do hope for the fanbase and those who actually enjoy it that Inquisition's team will have the budget/time to support that one longer than they did ME3's MP.

 

[Bateluer]

Spoiler

In my games, I had the ability to choose who was to be divine. The first time, due to laziness, I opened up the option for Liliana and didn't follow up with the other options. My 2nd play through, I was given the option to choose Liliana, Vivienne or Cassandra, and chose Cassandra. Liliana and Cassandra choices are given by going through all their dialog and quests, eventually given the ability to suggest one or the other. Vivienne also had a mission that needed to be done to give her support. That was a surprise, as earlier conversations had her suggest Cassandra would be best, then all of a sudden the war table had a marker to give Vivienne support.

Hmm, I only got the option for 1 of those.

 

[ControlD]

So I finished the game last night. I think my playtime was right around 95 hours, so even at one play through the game I feel like I got my money's worth. I'm sure I will do another round with this game but after 95 hours the first time I'm not in a real hurry to start again. Hopefully there will be some quality DLC coming out in the future to give me a reason to start again.

Now I have that hollow feeling after finishing a good game of "What do I play next?". I have a feeling going back to a more traditional RPG at this point will just feel boring.

 

[Mem]

So I finished the game last night. I think my playtime was right around 95 hours, so even at one play through the game I feel like I got my money's worth. I'm sure I will do another round with this game but after 95 hours the first time I'm not in a real hurry to start again. Hopefully there will be some quality DLC coming out in the future to give me a reason to start again.

Now I have that hollow feeling after finishing a good game of "What do I play next?". I have a feeling going back to a more traditional RPG at this point will just feel boring.

Divinity Sin,Risen 3,all good IMHO,I've finished and enjoyed them both.

I'm about 45 hours into DA:I but taking my time so not rushing,exploring everything like I normally do.

 

[ControlD]

Divinity Sin,Risen 3,all good IMHO,I've finished and enjoyed them both.

I'm about 45 hours into DA:I but taking my time so not rushing,exploring everything like I normally do.

I already have Divinity on my list for Steam sale games.

Are the other Risen games any good? I have the first one but have never even installed it.

 

[Mem]

I already have Divinity on my list for Steam sale games.

Are the other Risen games any good? I have the first one but have never even installed it.

I though Risen 1 and especially Risen 3 better then Risen 2,it's your typical exploring game open world,getting skills,quests etc but I enjoyed them.

A lot of people compare them to Gothic games.

Risen 2 was probably the worst of the series IMHO.
Risen 3 was very polished,I did not encounter any bugs.

Decent budget RPGs.
Combat is love or hate but still decent with mouse and keyboard.

As to Risen ,install it and find out,only you can decide if it's your type of game.

 

[exar333]

Hmm, I only got the option for 1 of those.

Spoiler

I got options for Vivienne, Cassandra and Leliana. I did the war table mission for Cassandra and tried to dissuade both Leliana and Vivienne as being the next Divine. Unfortunately, the game chose Vivienne. I honestly didn't even think she was in the running...

From what I am seeing around online, the game is taking more direction from your game decisions (allying with mages or Templars) rather than who you seem to support. I took the mages and conscripted them and maybe that was the driving force. Anyways, I was really surprised (not in a good way) in the epilogue. It's not a 'big' deal, but I would have rather been able to formally make my choice and find out in-game if I was successful or not. The way they did it was just weird....

 

[Mem]

We won't be agreeing anytime soon, I see. I do wonder if your stance will change as the micro transactions continue to grow unchecked like a cancer in games though. Are you prepared to pay 70 dollars for a game, a monthly fee for multiplayer, plus the MTs for weapons, characters, classes, maps, etc? Thats the road gaming is on, and one that some seem proud to be on.

At least with ME3 MP it's free(for the moment and has been since release),I normally jump in every day for a game or two,can be quite fun when your squad is down and you have to save the day and get to the end of the round without dying.

Obviously you can get clueless players that just want to solo everything and care nothing for your team mates,but then that comes with MP gaming.

I never spent a single penny on MP ME3 gaming,unless you count my monthly broadband cost and purchase of ME3 game itself.


DA:I still needs a lot of work,especially in multiplay,but I expect it's a game in progress.

 

[Rhezuss]

I already have Divinity on my list for Steam sale games.

Are the other Risen games any good? I have the first one but have never even installed it.

I really enjoyed Risen 1. It's your typical Euro RPG where there's no hand holding and you have to explore to find what you're lokoing for.

I tried to enjoy the 2nd but can't get far in the story before getting bored.

The 3rd look really good though and I might give it a shot but i'd need to finish the 2nd for the sake of it.

Risen are good games but really different feel from everything made on this side of the ocean.

 

[Red Hawk]

BioWare forum member Sola Gon_ did some interesting comparisons of the tessellation settings. I thought people here would be interested to see them:

 

[bystander36]

Spoiler

I got options for Vivienne, Cassandra and Leliana. I did the war table mission for Cassandra and tried to dissuade both Leliana and Vivienne as being the next Divine. Unfortunately, the game chose Vivienne. I honestly didn't even think she was in the running...

From what I am seeing around online, the game is taking more direction from your game decisions (allying with mages or Templars) rather than who you seem to support. I took the mages and conscripted them and maybe that was the driving force. Anyways, I was really surprised (not in a good way) in the epilogue. It's not a 'big' deal, but I would have rather been able to formally make my choice and find out in-game if I was successful or not. The way they did it was just weird....

Spoiler

I chose the mages as allies (not sure that is what you meant by conscripted), but got Cassandra. I did, however, agree with Vivienne about Cassandra being a great candidate, and when talking to Liliana, when she was talking about what she'd do, I asked about Cassandra, and when talking to Cassandra, I pushed her to become the divine. I'm not sure what exactly made the choice, but both times, it was as I expected. Liliana the first time, and Cassandra the 2nd.

 

[facetman]

I'd offer a warning. Don't let your Origin cloud storage go over limit. It can and will screw with your local save games. I get to replay about 4 to 5 hours of game play because a full cloud overwrote my local saves. Including the somewhat tedious Wicked Eyes quest.

yep- this happened to me yesterday - lost about 2.5 hours of the game. The option to delete 5 MB and initiate the game is a total fail- locked up 3 tries in a row. Finally tried to use my desktop icon to start game hoping it would then give me the option to use local data- but it locked up as well. So had to shut off cloud storage and then initiate the game - and it still deleted all the local saves that been done since the cloud date storage was full.

Really Origin??

 

[bystander36]

I wouldn't entirely blame Origin. I'm sure Bioware played a part in the save system. You should have both working, and if one fails, the other should kick in.

Btw, how do you check on your storage space? Nm, I found it. Wow, it only has a total of 100mb of storage.

 

[ControlD]

I wouldn't entirely blame Origin. I'm sure Bioware played a part in the save system. You should have both working, and if one fails, the other should kick in.

Btw, how do you check on your storage space? Nm, I found it. Wow, it only has a total of 100mb of storage.

Yeah, I think I got lucky and saw the 100mb limit before I started playing. I ended up using a system where I had a save per zone for the most part and just kept overwriting those saves rather than always making new ones. I made a few unique saves when I knew I was making a big decision, but I only needed 10-15 saves for the entire run through the game.

Is there an option to not use the cloud saves at all?

 

[Red Hawk]

Is there an option to not use the cloud saves at all?

Yes, there is. I've had cloud saves disabled for the whole game.

 

[cbrunny]

So how does one get past the loading screen? Bugs bugs bugs.... oh boy..... was really looking forward to this one.

Lol Edit: Nevermind. I guess origin needed to repair the game. re-downloading more than 2GB of data after a total of 21 mins of gameplay. e.g. made my character. This does not bode well for me....

 

[Mem]

I just got my party wiped out by high dragon,team was level 14 I was 15,dragon was level 14,really miss magic healing and heal over time since healing pots are so limited and you have to run near the dead to rez them which is not easy with dragon over the spot.

Oh well try a few levels later,not going to retry at my level,pretty sure suppose to be higher level even if you play on casual setting.

I still think barrier is crap,don't get me started on lack of proper healing.
Having said all that the game is still holding my interest, but far from game of the year .I can handle death but hate things that annoy me or are frustrating,previous two DA games did not have this issue for me so must be the things they changed in DA:I.

Off to play a different game ie online gaming now for a bit .

 

[bystander36]

I just got my party wiped out by high dragon,team was level 14 I was 15,dragon was level 14,really miss magic healing and heal over time since healing pots are so limited and you have to run near the dead to rez them which is not easy with dragon over the spot.

Oh well try a few levels later,not going to retry at my level,pretty sure suppose to be higher level even if you play on casual setting.

I still think barrier is crap,don't get me started on lack of proper healing.
Having said all that the game is still holding my interest, but far from game of the year .I can handle death but hate things that annoy me or are frustrating,previous two DA games did not have this issue for me so must be the things they changed in DA:I.

Off to play a different game ie online gaming now for a bit .

With the right party management, and composition, you can do them at the same level and even below. I beat a couple later on where my team was 3 levels below the dragon and I was 2. It does take some careful thought on some of them if you are below their level. This was on hard difficulty.

Some of the dragons have a bit strategy that needs to be handled. I think the Hinterlands is the best one. It has the most World of Warcraft style of fighting.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I just got my party wiped out by high dragon,team was level 14 I was 15,dragon was level 14,really miss magic healing and heal over time since healing pots are so limited and you have to run near the dead to rez them which is not easy with dragon over the spot.

Oh well try a few levels later,not going to retry at my level,pretty sure suppose to be higher level even if you play on casual setting.

I still think barrier is crap,don't get me started on lack of proper healing.
Having said all that the game is still holding my interest, but far from game of the year .I can handle death but hate things that annoy me or are frustrating,previous two DA games did not have this issue for me so must be the things they changed in DA:I.

Off to play a different game ie online gaming now for a bit .

Yea, had the same experience. I am playing on casual, and can defeat enemies a few levels above me in normal combat. However I just met my first dragon. We were equal levels or I may have been one level above. Got his health down about 50%, but then ran out of potions and pretty much had no chance. Figure I need a few more levels. Really feel the lack of healing magic and limitation on number of potions in a battle like this. I have a mage with the revive power that brings everybody to full health, but since it is a focus power, can only use that once. And the normal resurrect power only restores like a quarter health, and if you are out of potions, the person you resurrect usually dies again very quickly.

This game kind of reminds me of Borderlands Pre-sequel, in that the basic game is good, but a lot of things are changed or added that just make it annoying.

 

[Mem]

With the right party management, and composition, you can do them at the same level and even below. I beat a couple later on where my team was 3 levels below the dragon and I was 2. It does take some careful thought on some of them if you are below their level. This was on hard difficulty.

Some of the dragons have a bit strategy that needs to be handled. I think the Hinterlands is the best one. It has the most World of Warcraft style of fighting.

Using keyboard and mouse?..Anyway going to leave it until much later doing other quests at the moment.

 

[bystander36]

Using keyboard and mouse?..Anyway going to leave it until much later doing other quests at the moment.

I'm using keyboard and mouse. Which dragon was it?

 

[Mem]

Yea, had the same experience. I am playing on casual, and can defeat enemies a few levels above me in normal combat. However I just met my first dragon. We were equal levels or I may have been one level above. Got his health down about 50%, but then ran out of potions and pretty much had no chance. Figure I need a few more levels. Really feel the lack of healing magic and limitation on number of potions in a battle like this. I have a mage with the revive power that brings everybody to full health, but since it is a focus power, can only use that once. And the normal resurrect power only restores like a quarter health, and if you are out of potions, the person you resurrect usually dies again very quickly.

This game kind of reminds me of Borderlands Pre-sequel, in that the basic game is good, but a lot of things are changed or added that just make it annoying.

I agree,however they will try and justify the game is an improvement in combat and healing department which I disagree with,they tried to fix what was not broken.

Can be great fun fighting a dragon with keyboard and mouse,you end up wanting to kill the mouse and keyboard lol because controls are not great to say the least,throw in poor healing and limited mage abilities you feel like a cadet thrown in the deep end in with no skills,AI could be improved as well.