Dragon Age 3: Inquisition announced

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escrow4

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Heh, does anyone else here remember where the name Thedas came from? Felt like only yesterday when it was thought up...

Thedas is a continent and the only one mentioned in the game, even though the Qunari apparently came from another continent.
 

Red Storm

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Thedas is a continent and the only one mentioned in the game, even though the Qunari apparently came from another continent.

I know that, but do you know where the name Thedas came from?

Thedas = The Dragon Age Setting. It was a name used by the forumers waaay back when Dragon Age was first announced. The devs liked it and decided to use it. Good times...
 

Carfax83

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I would be fearful they will remove my games for this abuse. I don't think its worth the savings.

How is it abuse? It's a legitimate way to purchase the game. There was a bug exploit on Origin that gave you the capability of getting ANY game for free..

Now that is abuse. I don't even know if they fixed that exploit yet, but quite a few people took advantage of it.
 

DefDC

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At the risk of being attacked... I kind of liked DA2. Although it was not like DAO almost another game except for the setting.

I thought DA2 was a bit clunky with the items and while the combat was fun I spent so much time paused. I do think it would have been better with more varied environments and enemies but the gameplay itself was fun imo.

I am hoping DA3 is going to be good because I want bioware to do well. If they don't it erases one of the larger RPG makers from the games I can look forward to.

I've said this before, but I thought it would have been fine under another name, such as,"*Title* : A Dragon Age Adventure". Making it a lighter, combat heavy sub-series, like Icewind Dale was to Baldur's Gate.

Calling it Dragon Age 2 was a huge mistake.

People would have only grumbled how they liked the real series better, but it wouldn't have poisoned the franchise.
 

Dumac

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They're supposed to announce additional Deluxe-exclusive content prior to release. I'm still waiting for that myself, because the current incentives are quite uninteresting, although the price difference between the regular version and Deluxe is just $10 ($59 Vs. $69), so I'm not exactly expecting anything much better than what's currently being offered.

I'm very hyped for the game, however, and it does really look good so I might just pre-order Deluxe regardless of the incentives for the sake of saying thanks the only meaningful way I can as a consumer to BioWare (by giving them more money).

Why would you preorder DA:I with Bioware's recent rocky releases? Why would you preorder a version of the game that you don't even know what is in it yet?

After DA2, there is no way I'm touching DA:I at release. I'll at least wait a couple months for hype to die down and reviewers to be proven the liars that they are.
 

Zenoth

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Why would you preorder DA:I with Bioware's recent rocky releases? Why would you preorder a version of the game that you don't even know what is in it yet?

After DA2, there is no way I'm touching DA:I at release. I'll at least wait a couple months for hype to die down and reviewers to be proven the liars that they are.

Well in my case I'm saying "after ME3 there is no way...", rather than "after DA2 there is no way...".

There's a few reasons for me, even though to others they might sound completely wacky at best, but I don't care what others think. The first reason is that I actually preferred Dragon Age 2 over Mass Effect 3. I only truly enjoyed one mission in ME3, namely the Tuchanka one. I really disliked, honestly, genuinely disliked pretty much everything else, from the start to the end, with the exception of the Tuchanka mission. I do really like, no, I love ME3's multi-player, however (no sarcasm, I have a good 1K+ hours put into it to this day).

Whereas for Dragon Age 2, I actually enjoyed most of the characters (I only disliked Anders overall, but not because his script was bad or because his voice actor did a bad job, I disliked him exactly because he was well-written, I disliked him as a character within the game's context, not as a "bad byproduct" of a rushed game), the dialogue and most (I.E. not all) of the story. And I also enjoyed both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin DLCs.

The only two main complaints I have about Dragon Age 2 were 1) Recycling of maps/environmental assets (but in retrospect you... well I anyway understand that they had to do it unfortunately since they were pushed by EA to release the game, after barely a year of full-fledged development, which is practically nothing nowadays), and 2) The lack of "freedom" and amount of interaction with your party members. More precisely not being able to engage a conversation with them essentially at will as it was in Origins. But then again, that's probably a direct consequence to not having enough time working on a game that's supposed to be nothing else than a sequel to the masterpiece that preceded it, quite a tall order it was especially to accomplish it within a year (yeah... no, couldn't happen).

But other than that I enjoyed the combat itself (the animations, however, were perhaps too fast, but it wasn't much of an immersion-breaker to me), the characters (most of them as I said), the graphics (at the time anyway, it was a good overall upgrade from Origins), the music, the story (most of it, but admittedly the ending was anti-climatic, although not as blatantly horrid, stupid and out-of-context as ME3's). Had they disposed of at least another year to work on it DA2 would have ended up quite better in both game content and quality, I'm convinced of it. In ME3's case, however, I think that it has much more to do with actual team incompetence than merely lack of time and resources. Yeah, maybe it sounds harsh or rude? I don't care, I'm the gamer, not the dev. I disliked the result, it was an insult of a game and a literal fuck you to both the fanbase and the franchise as a whole that got torched by it. And their 'excuse us, we'll release the Extended Cut, for free too, so you may shut the hell up' move did not bulge the faint trace of sympathy I had left toward them.

And, finally, why am I even referring to ME3 at all here? Well because Inquisition wasn't developed by ME3's team, that alone is enough in my book to look at it and contemplate the possibilities considering that they finally spent more than just one year on that one this time around. If you were to tell me that ME4 is being developed by the exact same team that made ME3 then of course I would simply ignore it, much less buy it. But as far as I know that team isn't anymore, it's been changed, some people left for other projects, some stayed, etc. What we do know (as official information) is that ME4's team is pretty much the same team that made the multi-player of ME3. In that case, at least for me, it gives hope (since I love ME3's MP so much).

So that's why I decided to pre-order Inquisition, because I have confidence in that specific team to deliver. And because I'm convinced that had they disposed of more time to work on DA2 that it would have been much better, perhaps even better than Origins. In other words, as a consumer, I trust them.

Now with this said, could I be wrong and is it possible that ultimately Inquisition ends up being about as bad as DA2? Well of course that's possible, I just don't believe in such a thing right now. I might get a figurative punch to the face as I play it and discover that even after 3 years in development x, y and z aspects of the game were obviously rushed, or ends up being annoying (game play mechanics, etc) or just sounds bad (voice acting, bad script, wacky scripted scenes, etc). And if that does happen I'll be the first to come here and say that I regret placing so much trust in a development team again.

So, yeah, go BioWare, deliver.
 
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darkewaffle

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I felt the opposite. I enjoyed Dragon Age quite a bit, but I felt like (playing the ME series after DAO/expansion/DA2) it was basically upstaged in every way. DA has better gameplay though neither of them are lurid, God of Warsian fun to play games imo.

But I thought in almost all other aspects ME blew DA out of the water - more interesting story and themes, better dialogue, more compelling and deeper companions/NPCs, greater scale to the story, better lore (generally, I remember more interesting bits of ME), and generally just greater immersion and overall investment into the story and characters. I liked DA, but I loved ME and it has stuck with me a few years later far more vividly.
 

Dumac

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Well in my case I'm saying "after ME3 there is no way...", rather than "after DA2 there is no way...".

There's a few reasons for me, even though to others they might sound completely wacky at best, but I don't care what others think. The first reason is that I actually preferred Dragon Age 2 over Mass Effect 3. I only truly enjoyed one mission in ME3, namely the Tuchanka one. I really disliked, honestly, genuinely disliked pretty much everything else, from the start to the end, with the exception of the Tuchanka mission. I do really like, no, I love ME3's multi-player, however (no sarcasm, I have a good 1K+ hours put into it to this day).

Whereas for Dragon Age 2, I actually enjoyed most of the characters (I only disliked Anders overall, but not because his script was bad or because his voice actor did a bad job, I disliked him exactly because he was well-written, I disliked him as a character within the game's context, not as a "bad byproduct" of a rushed game), the dialogue and most (I.E. not all) of the story. And I also enjoyed both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin DLCs.

The only two main complaints I have about Dragon Age 2 were 1) Recycling of maps/environmental assets (but in retrospect you... well I anyway understand that they had to do it unfortunately since they were pushed by EA to release the game, after barely a year of full-fledged development, which is practically nothing nowadays), and 2) The lack of "freedom" and amount of interaction with your party members. More precisely not being able to engage a conversation with them essentially at will as it was in Origins. But then again, that's probably a direct consequence to not having enough time working on a game that's supposed to be nothing else than a sequel to the masterpiece that preceded it, quite a tall order it was especially to accomplish it within a year (yeah... no, couldn't happen).

But other than that I enjoyed the combat itself (the animations, however, were perhaps too fast, but it wasn't much of an immersion-breaker to me), the characters (most of them as I said), the graphics (at the time anyway, it was a good overall upgrade from Origins), the music, the story (most of it, but admittedly the ending was anti-climatic, although not as blatantly horrid, stupid and out-of-context as ME3's). Had they disposed of at least another year to work on it DA2 would have ended up quite better in both game content and quality, I'm convinced of it. In ME3's case, however, I think that it has much more to do with actual team incompetence than merely lack of time and resources. Yeah, maybe it sounds harsh or rude? I don't care, I'm the gamer, not the dev. I disliked the result, it was an insult of a game and a literal fuck you to both the fanbase and the franchise as a whole that got torched by it. And their 'excuse us, we'll release the Extended Cut, for free too, so you may shut the hell up' move did not bulge the faint trace of sympathy I had left toward them.

And, finally, why am I even referring to ME3 at all here? Well because Inquisition wasn't developed by ME3's team, that alone is enough in my book to look at it and contemplate the possibilities considering that they finally spent more than just one year on that one this time around. If you were to tell me that ME4 is being developed by the exact same team that made ME3 then of course I would simply ignore it, much less buy it. But as far as I know that team isn't anymore, it's been changed, some people left for other projects, some stayed, etc. What we do know (as official information) is that ME4's team is pretty much the same team that made the multi-player of ME3. In that case, at least for me, it gives hope (since I love ME3's MP so much).

So that's why I decided to pre-order Inquisition, because I have confidence in that specific team to deliver. And because I'm convinced that had they disposed of more time to work on DA2 that it would have been much better, perhaps even better than Origins. In other words, as a consumer, I trust them.

Now with this said, could I be wrong and is it possible that ultimately Inquisition ends up being about as bad as DA2? Well of course that's possible, I just don't believe in such a thing right now. I might get a figurative punch to the face as I play it and discover that even after 3 years in development x, y and z aspects of the game were obviously rushed, or ends up being annoying (game play mechanics, etc) or just sounds bad (voice acting, bad script, wacky scripted scenes, etc). And if that does happen I'll be the first to come here and say that I regret placing so much trust in a development team again.

So, yeah, go BioWare, deliver.

Interesting. I found DA2 to be below average. I give it a D+ or C-, which normally wouldn't be a big deal. D+/C- games get released all the time. What made it a big deal is that Bioware used to be a name that I trusted but now keep a distance from.

Starting with ME2, I think their software quality has gone way downhill. ME2 was worse than ME1. DA2 was worse than DA:O. ME3 was the worst of them all. TOR was horrendous.

On top of that, the people still working for them have since gone on a major ego trip. All the reasonable folks seem to have left. The recent successes (ME3) has gone to their head, and they've become abrasive and egotistical. Seeing their replies on the Bioware forums makes me cringe. They shut out all criticisms as "hate" and get their back patted by diehard fans who would never say a bad thing about their games.

The sad thing is that I really liked DA:O and ME. I also liked Jade Empire, KotOR, and Neverwinter Knights.

I'm watcing DA:I. I'm interested to see what people say about it by next year. If critical fans still think it is good months after it releases, I'll pick it up on sale. I'd love to play another fun RPG like DA:O.
 

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I've preordered and I'm cautiously optimistic. It isn't like there are a lot of companies cranking out high quality RPGs right now. Also I think you guys are way more critical than I am. I was disappointed in DA2, ME3 and SWTOR but I enjoyed each game to varying degrees and I would classify them all as good games (I thought most of ME3 was great).
 

escrow4

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I hope its not as generic as Origins. Saving the world from Sauron and the orcs er darkspawn and archedemon . . . . . . it really is true that nearly all fantasy is descended (ripped off) from Tolkien.
 

alcoholbob

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Bioware has also turned into a super politically correct company. Their forum police...I mean mods are basically hardcore leftists.
 

Carfax83

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Bioware has also turned into a super politically correct company. Their forum police...I mean mods are basically hardcore leftists.

Not surprised. Thats why I don't post there anymore..

The Inquisitor and followers trailer.

And to underscore Bioware's radically leftist leaning, the above trailer which profiles three of the followers, Dorian, Sera and the Iron Bull. None of those characters are heterosexual ()

I can't wait for the Witcher 3. It seems like a more visceral and weighty world than Thedas, with much more realism. Dragon Age Inquisition is just to tide me over until February..
 
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StinkyPinky

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Not surprised. Thats why I don't post there anymore..

The Inquisitor and followers trailer.

And to underscore Bioware's radically leftist leaning, the above trailer which profiles three of the followers, Dorian, Sera and the Iron Bull. None of those characters are heterosexual ()

I can't wait for the Witcher 3. It seems like a more visceral and weighty world than Thedas, with much more realism. Dragon Age Inquisition is just to tide me over until February..

Seriously, what's with Bioware and homosexual/bi-sexual characters? I'm all for having them in a game but recently Bioware seems to be getting ridiculous. Almost every character seems gay these days.
 

RampantAndroid

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Seriously, what's with Bioware and homosexual/bi-sexual characters? I'm all for having them in a game but recently Bioware seems to be getting ridiculous. Almost every character seems gay these days.

The more I look at these games with romances and all that - as I mature, am in a stable relationship and all that is "I really don't give a flip about romance in my games." Seriously...I don't care about my virtual toon hopping into bed with another virtual toon. Show me a good story, but I don't feel like being forced into a romance sub-plot. And in ME, all you need do is agree with someone a bunch of times and suddenly they want to hop in bed with you basically. It's stupid to me, these days. Give me a "romance off" switch. (Add to that how awful the approval system was in DAO and DA2. In DAO: "Crap, they don't like me. Here, have a gift and shut up!"; in DA2: "Crap, they don't like me. So I'll just piss them off until they hate me so much, they stick with me."
 

ArenCordial

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I can't go to the BSN anymore either. Frankly the whole romance thing has gotten way out of hand to the point where its well past disturbing. When you have gaming news reporters asking if you can f*ck a dragon on video, that should be an indicated that your fan base isn't well in the head.

I used to be in favor of including them because like a movie or good book there usually is a romance sub-plot but I've changed my mind basically because of what its become thanks to the fans.

It seems like at least 50% of the threads on the BSN are romance related. Too many BioWare diehards are there because of the romances and I can't count the number of times I've been flat out told that romances are the most important thing BioWare does. Really? A totally optional conversation set followed with an awkwardly animated cutscene is more important than gameplay, story, quests, setting, polish, etc.

Then you have crazy fangirls defending actions of people like Anders, who is the Thedas equivalent of freaking terrorist regardless of the legitimacy of his cause, because they romanced him. Really I think BioWare games have become the modern equvialent of a harlequinn romance novel. BioWare isn't stupid though and knows this pretty well. Just look at the LI break downs in DAI, straight males and gays get like 2 options, but if you're a female toon you can get like 6-7 options. I can't believe that BioWare would have disparity like that for the sterotypical gamer (straight male) unless they had very good data suggesting it was more beneficial to target females. Really do you need 6-7 options? I'd personally rather have things like more polish in an ending or better consequences for your choices or even just a decently written side quest, ie things that make for a better game. I can't fault BioWare for it though, they know they own that niche and are giving fans what they want.

TLDR; Too many BioWare diehards don't care about a good game, only their romance fantasy.
 

RampantAndroid

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unless they had very good data suggesting it was more beneficial to target females.

The BSN has always been it's own level of stupid - such as "the entire ending of ME3 is actually in Shepherd's head, as he is fighting being indoctrinated" to the point where they INSULT and ATTACK you if you disagree.

As for romances, maybe they know that a lot of men play as female toons? I know it wasn't true for ME, but maybe it is for DA.

I'll likely pass on DAI if the whole focus is romance...I mean, in DA2, there were few characters I LIKED. The girl elf was just annoying. Anders needed to crawl off and die. The man elf was emo/annoying. Sebastian was a whiney moron. Isabel was...well, a traitor who I'm surprised could fight at all, given how often she talked about having sex. Etc.

The only person I really liked from DA2 was Varrick. The red-head was OK, but nothing to write home about...

Anymore though, Bioware games are more about characters and multi choice story rather than actual gameplay. I felt like DAO was a good balance, and ME1 was an OK balance. DA2/ME2 and on though just felt like I was along for the ride through on rails action.
 

Bateluer

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The BSN has always been it's own level of stupid - such as "the entire ending of ME3 is actually in Shepherd's head, as he is fighting being indoctrinated" to the point where they INSULT and ATTACK you if you disagree.

When you have such an epic trilogy with an ending that bad, there's going to be people ranting about it years later. Reddit has a subreddit set aside for it, so it doesn't spill over to the /r/masseffect sub.

Usually the most popular mods for PC games are texture and visual enchancements, for Mass Effect 3, its Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod(MEHEM).



I also think I'm the only person who didn't like Varrick, soon as I got some other party members in DA2, he got left behind for the rest of the game. Unless he improves in DAI, he'll get left behind again. Anders was actually cool in DA:Awakening . . . not sure why they felt the need to turn him into a whiney, annoying mass murdering terrorist in DA2. Couldn't stand anime elf guy either.
 

MeldarthX

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The BSN has always been it's own level of stupid - such as "the entire ending of ME3 is actually in Shepherd's head, as he is fighting being indoctrinated" to the point where they INSULT and ATTACK you if you disagree.


Hey that's better than the ending we got I got temp banned from BSN during that time for a meme I posted.

We had great few subs during that time that had some great conversations; we kept clean; and hate out; wasn't until mod incited a riot in them that they got shut down.

I'm going to order soon; we'll see as Bioware really is on last legs with me.
 

Borealis7

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judging by the gameplay footage so far, it looks like DA:I is a DA:O and DA2 hybrid.
i just hope i can go through the entire game with the tactical camera.
 
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