DrCool's System Builders Guide - NOV 04

[Dug]

Originally posted by: Subhuman25
Well you all knowing fella , my credit card recipt proves different.Now what did you have to show for it?
And of course you know where and when and what all I bought too dontcha.
'nuff said. Obviously you are a very very clueless one and my guess would be you just got into computing a couple months ago and reada forum or 2 and now you think you're all that and a bag of chips.
Your guide proves that fact.

And if you really feel smart today you can go price this,namely what I bought and built x >2 months ago,all bought from NewEgg.


Antec SLK-3700BQE
Antec NeoPower 480
MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum
AMD64 3500
Corsair XMS 3200XLPT 2-2-2-5 1T
Seagate Barracuda 200GB 7,200 SATA
Pioneer DVR-108
eVGA 6800GT
Soundblaster Audigy2 ZS
Microsoft WinXP SP2
MS Natural Multimedia Keyboard
Logitech MX-510

Remember I bought this all x >2 months ago,so price it as such (probably realizing you're a schmuck by now eh,since prices have changed cosiderably on some of those items.)You might wanna use this as reference LMAO
Billing Information Shipping Information
Name XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Company Company
Address XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City XXXXXXXXXXX
State WA State WA
Zip Code 98498 Zip Code 98498
Credit Card Type Mastercard Nighttime Telephone # 253-XXXXXXXX
Your Customer ID XXXXXXXXX Day Telephone # 253-XXXXXXX
Shipping Method FedEx Express Saver Invoice Date 9/27/2004 2:30:56 PM
Item Description Quantity Unit Price Extended Price
11-129-140 CASE ANTEC|SLK3700-BQE BK 350W RET
(Serial#: 11-129-140/0) 1 $89.50 $89.50
13-130-468 MB K8N NEO2 PLATINUM MSI
(Serial#: K0409014744) 1 $139.00 $139.00
MSI 626 913 0828

14-130-203 VGA EVGA|GF 6800GT 256MB DDR3 R
(Serial#: 48344004198) 1 $388.00 $388.00
For Tech Support 888/881-EVGA (3842)

17-103-924 POWER SUPPLY ANTEC NEOPOWER480 RTL
(Serial#: 761345244800) 1 $121.45 $121.45
19-103-463 CPU AMD 64 |3500+ ATHLON 64 939 RT
(Serial#: 1111284G40086) 1 $347.00 $347.00
For Retail AMD processor, please call 408 749-3060 for service after first 30 days. For OEM AMD processor, we will service for 30 days only. Please verify the Processor matches your order Prior To installation. IMPORTANT: Always pack your CPU well for return. We will refuse your RMA if we received it as DAMAGED!

20-145-523 DUAL DDR 1GB|PC3200XLPT CORSAIR RT
(Serial#: 0BZSDV0200000BW) 1 $275.00 $275.00
21-103-203 FD 1.44MB|SAMSUG SFD-321B/LBL1 OEM
(Serial#: FBT5P5FQ8002412) 1 $8.25 $8.25
22-148-033 HD 200GB| SEAGATE 7200 ST3200822AS%
(Serial#: 3LJ2BNZH) 1 $129.50 $129.50
This item is serviced by the SeaGate. Please call 800 -732-4283 for service.

23-109-116 KB MS|NATURAL MULTIMEDIA PS2 OEM%
(Serial#: 805529036932) 1 $22.00 $22.00
Please Note CD keys are listed on the outside of the plastic wrap accompanying your product.

26-104-151 MOUSE LOGITECH|MX 510 BLUE RETAIL
(Serial#: 097855022363) 1 $43.00 $43.00
27-129-157 DVR|PIONEER DVR-108 DVD+/-RW% BK
(Serial#: 012562716992) 1 $80.00 $80.00
for Pioneer DVD Recording Drives Please go to: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/hs/ for an Important Patch

29-102-162 SOUND BLASTER|AUDIGY 2 ZS PCI RTL
(Serial#: 054651060678) 1 $85.99 $85.99
Creative Labs (800)-998-1000


Subtotal $1,728.69
Tax $0.00
Shipping and Handling charge $36.94
Amount Paid $1,765.63

LOL! Your right, he didn't pay $1800, he paid $1765.63.

DrCool needs some tips on building systems. DAPUNISHER has already debunked most of your comments and he's absolutely correct.

your a little behind on latest technology
the cutting edge gamer is based on the PCI Express platform, whose performance is superb

PCI-E does not create a better performing system. If you think this, then you need to need to do a little more reading. And even more reading on why 60fps avg will not cut it for gaming. Or that you aren't even taking into account that gamers want higher resolutions and 4x AA that the 6600 can't produce.

 

[Subhuman25]

Originally posted by: Dug

Originally posted by: Subhuman25
Well you all knowing fella , my credit card recipt proves different.Now what did you have to show for it?
And of course you know where and when and what all I bought too dontcha.
'nuff said. Obviously you are a very very clueless one and my guess would be you just got into computing a couple months ago and reada forum or 2 and now you think you're all that and a bag of chips.
Your guide proves that fact.

And if you really feel smart today you can go price this,namely what I bought and built x >2 months ago,all bought from NewEgg.


Antec SLK-3700BQE
Antec NeoPower 480
MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum
AMD64 3500
Corsair XMS 3200XLPT 2-2-2-5 1T
Seagate Barracuda 200GB 7,200 SATA
Pioneer DVR-108
eVGA 6800GT
Soundblaster Audigy2 ZS
Microsoft WinXP SP2
MS Natural Multimedia Keyboard
Logitech MX-510

Remember I bought this all x >2 months ago,so price it as such (probably realizing you're a schmuck by now eh,since prices have changed cosiderably on some of those items.)You might wanna use this as reference LMAO
Billing Information Shipping Information
Name XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Company Company
Address XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City XXXXXXXXXXX
State WA State WA
Zip Code 98498 Zip Code 98498
Credit Card Type Mastercard Nighttime Telephone # 253-XXXXXXXX
Your Customer ID XXXXXXXXX Day Telephone # 253-XXXXXXX
Shipping Method FedEx Express Saver Invoice Date 9/27/2004 2:30:56 PM
Item Description Quantity Unit Price Extended Price
11-129-140 CASE ANTEC|SLK3700-BQE BK 350W RET
(Serial#: 11-129-140/0) 1 $89.50 $89.50
13-130-468 MB K8N NEO2 PLATINUM MSI
(Serial#: K0409014744) 1 $139.00 $139.00
MSI 626 913 0828

14-130-203 VGA EVGA|GF 6800GT 256MB DDR3 R
(Serial#: 48344004198) 1 $388.00 $388.00
For Tech Support 888/881-EVGA (3842)

17-103-924 POWER SUPPLY ANTEC NEOPOWER480 RTL
(Serial#: 761345244800) 1 $121.45 $121.45
19-103-463 CPU AMD 64 |3500+ ATHLON 64 939 RT
(Serial#: 1111284G40086) 1 $347.00 $347.00
For Retail AMD processor, please call 408 749-3060 for service after first 30 days. For OEM AMD processor, we will service for 30 days only. Please verify the Processor matches your order Prior To installation. IMPORTANT: Always pack your CPU well for return. We will refuse your RMA if we received it as DAMAGED!

20-145-523 DUAL DDR 1GB|PC3200XLPT CORSAIR RT
(Serial#: 0BZSDV0200000BW) 1 $275.00 $275.00
21-103-203 FD 1.44MB|SAMSUG SFD-321B/LBL1 OEM
(Serial#: FBT5P5FQ8002412) 1 $8.25 $8.25
22-148-033 HD 200GB| SEAGATE 7200 ST3200822AS%
(Serial#: 3LJ2BNZH) 1 $129.50 $129.50
This item is serviced by the SeaGate. Please call 800 -732-4283 for service.

23-109-116 KB MS|NATURAL MULTIMEDIA PS2 OEM%
(Serial#: 805529036932) 1 $22.00 $22.00
Please Note CD keys are listed on the outside of the plastic wrap accompanying your product.

26-104-151 MOUSE LOGITECH|MX 510 BLUE RETAIL
(Serial#: 097855022363) 1 $43.00 $43.00
27-129-157 DVR|PIONEER DVR-108 DVD+/-RW% BK
(Serial#: 012562716992) 1 $80.00 $80.00
for Pioneer DVD Recording Drives Please go to: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/hs/ for an Important Patch

29-102-162 SOUND BLASTER|AUDIGY 2 ZS PCI RTL
(Serial#: 054651060678) 1 $85.99 $85.99
Creative Labs (800)-998-1000


Subtotal $1,728.69
Tax $0.00
Shipping and Handling charge $36.94
Amount Paid $1,765.63

LOL! Your right, he didn't pay $1800, he paid $1765.63.

DrCool needs some tips on building systems. DAPUNISHER has already debunked most of your comments and he's absolutely correct.

Well if you wanna get nitpicky
How about this order/receipt from the following day?(You see in all the haste I forgot my OS)

Your Sales Order Number:7173409
Order Date:09/28/2004 Order Total: $114.63

Billing Information Shipping Information
Name XXXXXXXXX
Company Company
Address XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City Lakewood City Lakewood
State WA State WA
Zip Code 98498 Zip Code 98498
Credit Card Type Mastercard Nighttime Telephone # 253-XXXXXXXXXXX
Your Customer ID XXXXXXXXX Day Telephone # 253-XXXXXXX
Shipping Method FedEx 1Day Invoice Date 9/28/2004 9:30:58 AM
Item Description Quantity Unit Price Extended Price
37-102-151 CD MS|WIN XP HOME w/SP2 OEM
(Serial#: 00043581795715) 1 $94.00 $94.00
Please Note CD keys are listed on the outside of the plastic wrap accompanying your product.


Subtotal $94.00
Tax $0.00
Shipping and Handling charge $20.63
Amount Paid $114.63


Gee looks the total was $1843.42 I guess I musta been dreaming when I told you $1800 for my current system.As if I wouldn't know how much I paid for my own system.LOL
Some people on here are just way out there man.

 

[DrCool]

subhuman

wow, you sure showed your skills with copy / paste!

your $1800 doesn't even include a Monitor or Speakers which take a large chunk of the budgets I was shooting for. I also mentioned, the quotes I made are for COMPLETE systems.

please stop thread crapping, as it doesn't help or contribute at all.

 

[Mik3y]

 

[Subhuman25]

Originally posted by: DrCool
subhuman

wow, you sure showed your skills with copy / paste!

your $1800 doesn't even include a Monitor or Speakers which take a large chunk of the budgets I was shooting for. I also mentioned, the quotes I made are for COMPLETE systems.

please stop thread crapping, as it doesn't help or contribute at all.

Well then add my monitor to the eqation
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=24-002-012&depa=0 and you can clearly see my system far outweighs your proposed(and IMO idiotic) set up.

The only difference is I didn't include speakers in my system otherwise price is now identical to your proposed AMD 3000 + 6800 vanilla + 512MB RAM system.

I'm running 3500 + 6800GT + 1GB RAM

Hmmm Wich ya think is better?

 

[drifter106]

Just a quick note.......

just read through this thread and couldn't help but feel a lot of hate, resentment, anger and all kinds of negative integers (lose/lose).... and yet I have discussed with many of you various topics relating to computers and you all helped me. I know that after talking with you I was well informed and I know that you went away satisfied that you were able to help someone (win/win). I hope in the future if I post a thread it doesn't turn into this type of verbal exchange. Nobody gains anything when that happens. I hope everyone continues to post in a productive way... that way we all win/win!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: formulav8
Some of you are pretty sad. The guy is trying to help you and all you did was try to find problems with what he did. You need to grow up and be alittle appreciative of the hard work he put into it.


Jason

Originally posted by: drifter106
Just a quick note.......

just read through this thread and couldn't help but feel a lot of hate, resentment, anger and all kinds of negative integers (lose/lose).... and yet I have discussed with many of you various topics relating to computers and you all helped me. I know that after talking with you I was well informed and I know that you went away satisfied that you were able to help someone (win/win). I hope in the future if I post a thread it doesn't turn into this type of verbal exchange. Nobody gains anything when that happens. I hope everyone continues to post in a productive way... that way we all win/win!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think you guys are paying attention. Yes, it is sad that this thread has degenerated, but look at the guy who started it. He thinks that everything he says is 100% correct. He can't accept it when someone proves him wrong, even when it's completely obvious.

Look at how ridiculous the guide is! His "best bang for the buck" system is a locked 333MHz FSB Athlon XP on a KT880 board. This crazy guy is actually suggesting people get two 120GB Seagates in a SATA RAID on a crap system like that. How can he be that ignorant? Does he not read? Does he not understand the limited scope of applications that will benefit from the boosted sequential transfer rate of RAID? He obviously doesn't even understand what he's recommending. Those two 120GB drives cost as much as getting a Raptor 74 which would totally crush the RAID, and the Raptor has a $25 rebate!

I'm not suggesting that a low-end machine should actually get a Raptor 74, I'm just pointint out the ignorance.

DrCool does not want to help people. If he wanted to help people, he would be able to learn from others. Instead, he's only looking to impress people. Go look around http://www.drcool.us/ for a minute and you'll see that this is a sad, lonely guy with legitimate problems. He's saying completely ridiculous things, like:

Originally posted by: DrCool
I just wanted to quickly address all the ignorant posts i've just read..

I've been working with computers for the past 10 years.. 90% of the components I recommended, I HAVE USED at one point or another. My recommendations are ALL based on past experience with BRANDS, RMAs, Performance, etc. I've used computers in more ways then you'll ever probably know exsist.

...

He's obviously a complete liar. Even the parts he's recommending are parts he has a very limited understanding of. Besides, he's only 19, and he's been working with computers for the past 10 years? Well, I became obsessive about computers when I upgraded from an Atari 800 to a Commodore 64 on my 8th birthday, but I'm not going to go around saying I've been working with computers for over 20 years.

DrCool is just randomly throwing together lists of parts at different price points, and he obviously has much less experience with these parts than other people who are trying to give him suggestions, but he takes it personally and becomes irate because he is not trying to help; he is trying to impress.

Look at this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...3215&enterthread=y

DrCool barges in an starts telling a guy he's using the wrong parts just to make him follow the DrCool guide. He then goes off on a rant when I suggest several reasons why the guy might be better off sticking with his original motherboard. Almost everything he says on this forum is 100% unfounded. It's hard to understand what DrCool is trying to accomplish by posting here, but the only conclusion that I can come to is that it makes him feel better about himself to act smart and yell at people.

Just take a look at the topic summary, "your questions, ANSWERED!" That doesn't seem to be the case, does it? He's not attempting to answer anything. He is not giving a rational response to any of the concerns that have been voiced. He's yelling at people and saying his builds are better, and I would be EXTREMELY surprised if he had built ten total machines in his entire life.

He probably has a couple machines sitting around and has managed to sucker a few friends and family members into letting him experiment and build them machines with parts that he thinks will be good. I would almost guarantee that he has no actual experience with more than one or two of the motherboards he is recommending. I can picture him now, sitting in front of his computer saying, "Hey, RAID is cool! Even an office system should have RAID!" So he goes and recommends a KT880 board with RAID that costs more than an equivalent NForce2 board.

He's just a bored kid sitting around looking at computer parts thinking of what he'd like to build when he gets some cash. Even if he can't afford the computer he wants to build, he can still price a bunch of machines out and talk about it, right? So that's what he's doing. He's just having some fun, but it's gotten completely out of hand becuase he suddenly thinks he is an authority.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I come here for several reasons, including-

1. To help other members with problems that fall within the purview of my experience and knowledge that others have not gotten to yet, or to offer another alternative/advice for their consideration and/or edification.

2. To engage in discussions with others whom I have a mutual interest in common with.

3. To learn.

I'd suggest that DrCool stop being so defensive and obdurate or all of the above will be far more difficult to engage in because of the bad reputation it will earn him with other members. :light:

On a side note: Since acquiring more knowledge is a primary reason for many of us who frequent this MB I'll take this opportunity to correct the following erroneous statement that you made in the thread you just linked Tostada.

the IGP boards do have three memory slots, so you could still pair your memory and add another 512 MB stick later. You'd just have to take it out of dual-channel mode

nF2 still runs DC when 3 sticks of ram are used, and testing done by a member here suggests that the order the varying sized sticks are in doesn't significantly impact performance FWIW

 

[DrCool]

Originally posted by: Tostada
He's obviously a complete liar. Even the parts he's recommending are parts he has a very limited understanding of. Besides, he's only 19, and he's been working with computers for the past 10 years? Well, I became obsessive about computers when I upgraded from an Atari 800 to a Commodore 64 on my 8th birthday, but I'm not going to go around saying I've been working with computers for over 20 years.

DrCool is just randomly throwing together lists of parts at different price points, and he obviously has much less experience with these parts than other people who are trying to give him suggestions, but he takes it personally and becomes irate because he is not trying to help; he is trying to impress.

Generally, when someone is WRONG, they use PERSONAL attacks to try and make up for a lack of hard evidence or facts.

This guy can't produce any HARD FACTS to back up his wild claims about products or brands.

For the record, I'm turning 20 in a week, and yes I have been working on/with computers since I was 10. It seems whatever therapy you've been to, has not helped, as your little world is very far from reality.

you realize what board your posting your ignorant and prejudice statements on right? Ever hear of a guy named Anand? Well this site started as HIS personal website some numerous years ago, he had to slowly build a reputation, he wasn't immediatley successfull.

Do not think you can somehow intimidate me, as if you saw me in real life, i'm sure this debate would be over in a second.

I'm not sure if you always got your way when you were growing up, but this is the real world, and your not always right. If you want people to believe what you have to say, you have to back it up with FACTS.

Quit whining like a little baby, and keep your illogical ranting to yourself.

 

[erikistired]

And since I didn't actual build it and benchmark it, you can't say anything will run faster then it.

at this point i stopped reading this thread and realized the OP has no clue.

hehe, and now he's PM'ng me!

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: DrCool

Originally posted by: Tostada
He's obviously a complete liar. Even the parts he's recommending are parts he has a very limited understanding of. Besides, he's only 19, and he's been working with computers for the past 10 years? Well, I became obsessive about computers when I upgraded from an Atari 800 to a Commodore 64 on my 8th birthday, but I'm not going to go around saying I've been working with computers for over 20 years.

DrCool is just randomly throwing together lists of parts at different price points, and he obviously has much less experience with these parts than other people who are trying to give him suggestions, but he takes it personally and becomes irate because he is not trying to help; he is trying to impress.

Generally, when someone is WRONG, they use PERSONAL attacks to try and make up for a lack of hard evidence or facts.

This guy can't produce any HARD FACTS to back up his wild claims about products or brands.

For the record, I'm turning 20 in a week, and yes I have been working on/with computers since I was 10. It seems whatever therapy you've been to, has not helped, as your little world is very far from reality.

you realize what board your posting your ignorant and prejudice statements on right? Ever hear of a guy named Anand? Well this site started as HIS personal website some numerous years ago, he had to slowly build a reputation, he wasn't immediatley successfull.

Do not think you can somehow intimidate me, as if you saw me in real life, i'm sure this debate would be over in a second.

I'm not sure if you always got your way when you were growing up, but this is the real world, and your not always right. If you want people to believe what you have to say, you have to back it up with FACTS.

Quit whining like a little baby, and keep your illogical ranting to yourself.

n00b

You keep talking about hard facts, what hard facts have you given?

You posted a link to a two year old article in the other thread that doesn't even compare the same boards in question, how is that a hard fact?

Furthermore we are all scared of you, especially because you are turning 20 soon...

The point we are giving to you, is that your guide is not put together well. Remake it into something worth reading, and stop talking to yourself on your own forums, because that is creepy as hell.

 

[erikistired]

okay i'm reading the thread again. there are both drcool quotes.

And since I didn't actual build it and benchmark it, you can't say anything will run faster then it.

This guy can't produce any HARD FACTS to back up his wild claims about products or brands.

so uh....

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

ummm, i respect that you actually took the time to put together a guide for newbies, but that's what it is. anybody who has been around for a few months could put together better systems than that.

the "cutting edge gamer"???? it's not as good as my "mid range gamer" that i built months ago for less. it has more periferals, but a 3000+ is not cutting edge when a 4000+ is not even the best cpu out. a plain 6800 will not be able to play video games at decent settings worthy of that expensive monitor for 2 years like the guide says it should, and 512 of ram????? most current games are noticably slower in loading and frame rate with only 512. trust me, i've tried UT2k4 with only 512 and it sucks compared to 1024. there is no reason not to get a gig in a mid range system, much less a high end gamer

 

[erikistired]

the problem is that it misleads newbies into making bad buying decisions.

 

[stelleg151]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I come here for several reasons, including-

1. To help other members with problems that fall within the purview of my experience and knowledge that others have not gotten to yet, or to offer another alternative/advice for their consideration and/or edification.

2. To engage in discussions with others whom I have a mutual interest in common with.

3. To learn.

I'd suggest that DrCool stop being so defensive and obdurate or all of the above will be far more difficult to engage in because of the bad reputation it will earn him with other members. :light:

On a side note: Since acquiring more knowledge is a primary reason for many of us who frequent this MB I'll take this opportunity to correct the following erroneous statement that you made in the thread you just linked Tostada.

the IGP boards do have three memory slots, so you could still pair your memory and add another 512 MB stick later. You'd just have to take it out of dual-channel mode

nF2 still runs DC when 3 sticks of ram are used, and testing done by a member here suggests that the order the varying sized sticks are in doesn't significantly impact performance FWIW

Well, youre a better person than I, for I come here to be entertained by people like DrCool....

No, but seriously Dap, good work on quietly correcting this slightly confused fellow.

 

[DrCool]

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
the "cutting edge gamer"???? it's not as good as my "mid range gamer" that i built months ago for less. it has more periferals, but a 3000+ is not cutting edge when a 4000+ is not even the best cpu out. a plain 6800 will not be able to play video games at decent settings worthy of that expensive monitor for 2 years like the guide says it should, and 512 of ram????? most current games are noticably slower in loading and frame rate with only 512. trust me, i've tried UT2k4 with only 512 and it sucks compared to 1024. there is no reason not to get a gig in a mid range system, much less a high end gamer

again, showing your ignorance in this area..

if you had actually done some research before sticking your foot in your mouth

this review shows 2x 256MB vs 2x 512MB , and the 512MB is rated faster:
http://www.pcabusers.com/revie.../crucialpc3200/p2.html

In every review i've seen the difference is either very close or leans toward the 2x 256MB setup..

have any PROOF to back up YOUR claim?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: stelleg151
Well, youre a better person than I, for I come here to be entertained by people like DrCool....

My bad! Entertainment value is definitely the icing on the cake for coming here :thumbsup: Make that 4 reasons I come here

 

[ponyo]

Blind leading the blind.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DrCool

Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
the "cutting edge gamer"???? it's not as good as my "mid range gamer" that i built months ago for less. it has more periferals, but a 3000+ is not cutting edge when a 4000+ is not even the best cpu out. a plain 6800 will not be able to play video games at decent settings worthy of that expensive monitor for 2 years like the guide says it should, and 512 of ram????? most current games are noticably slower in loading and frame rate with only 512. trust me, i've tried UT2k4 with only 512 and it sucks compared to 1024. there is no reason not to get a gig in a mid range system, much less a high end gamer

again, showing your ignorance in this area..

if you had actually done some research before sticking your foot in your mouth

this review shows 2x 256MB vs 2x 512MB , and the 512MB is rated faster:
http://www.pcabusers.com/revie.../crucialpc3200/p2.html

In every review i've seen the difference is either very close or leans toward the 2x 256MB setup..

have any PROOF to back up YOUR claim?

okay, so crucial is as fast as muskin...

where does it show you playing games and finding them bogging down with 512mb of ram when they don't with 1gb? i surely don't see that there.

unlike you i actually have been building and using computers for 10+ years. i have 10 years of experience where people have paid me to fix computers for their clients. i have almost another 10 of those learning how to build and fix them for myself and friends. i've played bf42 on 512mb vs 1gb and i know the difference because i'm not just pulling things out of my ass and quoting random links i found on google. but hey, whatever works for you. just don't pretend you know JACK and don't confuse people who come here for legitimate help.

 

[DrCool]

Originally posted by: fisher
okay, so crucial is as fast as muskin...

good job of NOT reading the review..

might want to actually read the information i've posted before responding.

The review shows that 512MB doesn't impact performance in GAMING. The category of "home user" (as i've previously defined it) may use their system for Video editing / multitasking / or photo editing and in THOSE instances, 1 GB makes a SUBSTANTIAL difference.

i'm not pretending anything. simply posting based on MY experience, and other REPUTABLE sources to back up MY experience.

instead you are RANTING about your experience alone, and not giving any sources to back up your claims, thus making them useless.

here is another sources take on 512MB vs 1GB in GAMING:
http://www.gruntville.com/revi...alent_pc3500/page3.php (READ the part in BOLD WHITE)

also, thanks for taking my statements OUT OF CONTEXT and putting them in your signature.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: DrCool

Originally posted by: fisher
okay, so crucial is as fast as muskin...

good job of NOT reading the review..

might want to actually read the information i've posted before responding.

The review shows that 512MB doesn't impact performance in GAMING. The category of "home user" (as i've previously defined it) big use their system for Video editing / multitasking / or photo editing and in THOSE instances, 1 GB makes a SUBSTANTIAL difference.

i'm not pretending anything. simply posting based on MY experience, and other REPUTABLE sources to back up MY experience.

instead you are RANTING about your experience alone, and not giving any sources to back up your claims, thus making them useless.

here is another sources take on 512MB vs 1GB in GAMING:
http://www.gruntville.com/revi...alent_pc3500/page3.php (READ the part in BOLD WHITE)

also, thanks for taking my statements OUT OF CONTEXT and putting them in your signature.

once again, i game. i'm not throwing out random links from google. i actually PLAY games. i've SEEN the difference with my eyes. try PLAYING some games with 512mb vs 1gb and when the game starts stuttering because it's hitting the swap file you can stop pretending that you know anything other than how to link to other sites.

your quotes are not out of context, they are statements you made. you said them, and i quoted them. and if you keep talking i'm only going to get more great quotes.

512mb of RAM vs. 1gb of RAM does not change the overall benchmark scores.

benchmarks are not the be all end off of using a system. i was messing around with my video card lately, overclocking it to see how far it could go. i could run benchmarks all day long on it, looked great and was fast! as soon as i started playing an actual game after a time it would start artifacting. does that mean i should tell everyone i can o/c my video card based on being able to pass a few benchmarks? no because in the real world (that you like to talk about so much in your posts above) it's not stable, no matter how it loooked in 3dmark03.

i see him saying he wants to debunk this theory of 1gb being better than 512mb (in BENCHMARKS) but yet all i see is him testing 512mb of ram in different configurations. how does this article even back up what you are spewing? to me all he's proving is that the ram is just as fast as if he was using 1gb of ram, therefore his tests can be translated without him having to spend the money for a gig of ram to run his tests. i dunno, maybe i'm misunderstanding.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
On a side note: Since acquiring more knowledge is a primary reason for many of us who frequent this MB I'll take this opportunity to correct the following erroneous statement that you made in the thread you just linked Tostada.

the IGP boards do have three memory slots, so you could still pair your memory and add another 512 MB stick later. You'd just have to take it out of dual-channel mode

nF2 still runs DC when 3 sticks of ram are used, and testing done by a member here suggests that the order the varying sized sticks are in doesn't significantly impact performance FWIW

Interesting. I've seen people report before that you can still tell it to run dual-channel with 3 sticks, but I haven't seen any real testing about it.

I know dual-channel really doesn't help performance significantly, but some people report problems trying to use the integrated video if they're not running dual-channel. Along those lines I'd be interested in seeing if running dual-channel with 3 sticks is as safe as 2 sticks if you're using the IGP. I haven't ever used an NF2 IGP board in single-channel with the IGP and noticed any problems, but I've always run dual-channel just to be sure.

I'm not suggesting that the BIOS may be lying about running dual-channel with 3 sticks, but I would be hesitant to tell somebody it's a good idea when I really don't have any personal experience with upgrading an IGP board to some weird configuration like 256MB + 256MB + 512MB. The concept of dual-channel with non-paired memory really doesn't make sense. Since it allows this, perhaps it's actually running two banks dual-channel and then the 3rd bank is single-channel. As long as the IGP isn't using shared memory from the 3rd bank, there shouldn't be any of the issues people report with single-channel IGP.

Anyway, good news for Devcon. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[Tostada]

Originally posted by: DrCool
This guy can't produce any HARD FACTS to back up his wild claims about products or brands.

For the record, I'm turning 20 in a week, and yes I have been working on/with computers since I was 10. It seems whatever therapy you've been to, has not helped, as your little world is very far from reality.

you realize what board your posting your ignorant and prejudice statements on right? Ever hear of a guy named Anand? Well this site started as HIS personal website some numerous years ago, he had to slowly build a reputation, he wasn't immediatley successfull.

Do not think you can somehow intimidate me, as if you saw me in real life, i'm sure this debate would be over in a second.

I'm not sure if you always got your way when you were growing up, but this is the real world, and your not always right. If you want people to believe what you have to say, you have to back it up with FACTS.

Quit whining like a little baby, and keep your illogical ranting to yourself.

Can't produce any hard facts? Then what, I'm only producing soft facts? That's still better than what you have which is no facts. You're very good at completely ignoring the facts which outright contradict your claims and then turning around and ranting about something irrelevant. No use in me rehashing all the ridiculous things you've said just in the past day, though.

Are you now equating yourself to Anand? In your case, I would call this a borderline messiah complex, which complements your persecution complex quite well. You are not Anand. You are not an intelligent, reasonable person.

I'm not trying to intimidate you, but I think that would be hilarious to run into you IRL. I'm 6'0" 195 lbs, I bench 285, and I've been taking boxing and Judo since back when you started "working with computers" at 9 years old, so there's a slim chance you'd be able to "end the debate in a second" so to speak. The fact that you must allude to physical violence, though... You'd probably go all Columbine on me.

I mean, honestly, you're complaining about personal attacks and then turn right around and essentially say, "Yeah, well I could kick your ass!" If only you could appreciate the irony of the literal meaning of "ad hominem."

 

[Boonesmi]

Originally posted by: DrCool

Originally posted by: fisher
okay, so crucial is as fast as muskin...

good job of NOT reading the review..

might want to actually read the information i've posted before responding.

The review shows that 512MB doesn't impact performance in GAMING. The category of "home user" (as i've previously defined it) may use their system for Video editing / multitasking / or photo editing and in THOSE instances, 1 GB makes a SUBSTANTIAL difference.

i'm not pretending anything. simply posting based on MY experience, and other REPUTABLE sources to back up MY experience.

instead you are RANTING about your experience alone, and not giving any sources to back up your claims, thus making them useless.

here is another sources take on 512MB vs 1GB in GAMING:
http://www.gruntville.com/revi...alent_pc3500/page3.php (READ the part in BOLD WHITE)

also, thanks for taking my statements OUT OF CONTEXT and putting them in your signature.

your link doesnt prove anything... it makes a generic statement (which is a true statement, and not anything that we are here discussing) the statement is "I wanted to prove the argument that size doesn't always matter"

true more memory doesnt "always matter" but it does matter in some games. and a gaming system isnt supposed to play some games well. its supposed to play all games well



"Do not think you can somehow intimidate me, as if you saw me in real life, i'm sure this debate would be over in a second. "
uhh threats??? now your just being lame... get a clue :roll:

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: Tostada

Originally posted by: DrCool
This guy can't produce any HARD FACTS to back up his wild claims about products or brands.

For the record, I'm turning 20 in a week, and yes I have been working on/with computers since I was 10. It seems whatever therapy you've been to, has not helped, as your little world is very far from reality.

you realize what board your posting your ignorant and prejudice statements on right? Ever hear of a guy named Anand? Well this site started as HIS personal website some numerous years ago, he had to slowly build a reputation, he wasn't immediatley successfull.

Do not think you can somehow intimidate me, as if you saw me in real life, i'm sure this debate would be over in a second.

I'm not sure if you always got your way when you were growing up, but this is the real world, and your not always right. If you want people to believe what you have to say, you have to back it up with FACTS.

Quit whining like a little baby, and keep your illogical ranting to yourself.

Can't produce any hard facts? Then what, I'm only producing soft facts? That's still better than what you have which is no facts. You're very good at completely ignoring the facts which outright contradict your claims and then turning around and ranting about something irrelevant. No use in me rehashing all the ridiculous things you've said just in the past day, though.

Are you now equating yourself to Anand? In your case, I would call this a borderline messiah complex, which complements your persecution complex quite well. You are not Anand. You are not an intelligent, reasonable person.

I'm not trying to intimidate you, but I think that would be hilarious to run into you IRL. I'm 6'0" 195 lbs, I bench 285, and I've been taking boxing and Judo since back when you started "working with computers" at 9 years old, so there's a slim chance you'd be able to "end the debate in a second" so to speak. The fact that you must allude to physical violence, though... You'd probably go all Columbine on me.

I mean, honestly, you're complaining about personal attacks and then turn right around and essentially say, "Yeah, well I could kick your ass!" If only you could appreciate the irony of the literal meaning of "ad hominem."

6'0" 195lbs, bench 285, pretty nice...

I am 6'2" 210lbs. I bench 285 as well, hehe