I would strongly suggest you read your own link. For the last 15 years or so the primary barrier to immigration reform has been the GOP.
Some reading material for those of you with a one sided version of history.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-failed-over-and-over/?utm_term=.cdb6addf12eb
Some reading material for those of you with a one sided version of history.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-failed-over-and-over/?utm_term=.cdb6addf12eb
I would strongly suggest you read your own link. For the last 15 years or so the primary barrier to immigration reform has been the GOP.
How in the world anybody believes that article puts the onus on Dems is beyond comprehension.
If that is the conclusion you came to, I would strongly suggest you read it again.
If that is the conclusion you came to, I would strongly suggest you read it again.
Memo basically says the Dems need to deliver for the Dreamers to bolster existing/future Latino vote which is forecast to grow along with their slice of the demo, in addition to it being the right thing morally. Imagine that...political organizations thinking about where their votes might come from and taking care of those constituencies.
Quite the smoking gun you've got there lol.
Republican narrative is that illegals will magically be voting.
I posted a balanced article, and the usual suspects knee jerked to it without providing any commentary as to why they disagreed with it. Just the usual insults and lazy, tired talking points.Why don't you try being specific about why you think the article supports your position and not the one taken by others?
Were it not for House republicans we would have had comprehensive immigration reform years ago. They failed to take up the bipartisan Gang of 8 bill the Senate passed. That bill included basically everything that the Republicans are still demanding to this day.
It's almost like they are more interested in keeping the issue alive so their base votes instead of actually doing anything to resolve it.
I posted a balanced article, and the usual suspects knee jerked to it without providing any commentary as to why they disagreed with it. Just the usual insults and lazy, tired talking points.
Given the timing of their posts to mine, I doubt they even took the time to read it.
What I see in that article is decades of failure, starting with Reagan and followed by a series of missed opportunities during the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations due to timing, political inconvenience and failures of leadership, with the Democrats and Republicans only locking into very polarized views in recent years, further amplified by the election of Trump.
The overall narrative is a complex discussion around national identity, amnesty, exploitation and human dignity.
America is the only developed nation that provides enough services for someone to function as a non-citizen or non-native language speaker. Try functioning in Germany or Japan or Sweden or Switzerland or China or France as an undocumented or non-native speaker person.
The immigration debate also makes for interesting alliances. Unions tend to side with Republicans when it comes to carte blanche amnesty. I've seen "progressive" tech companies layoff their aging workforce and then make the convenient excuse of insufficient talent to exploit pensionless and low cost H1B labor.
The problem is that we've kicked the can so far down the road that anything less than a path to citizenship is inhumane and simply impractical.
LOL, who is obfuscating? The El Salvadoran amnesty was always understood as temporary, Trump simply ended that temporary status.You obfuscate nicely. The past is dead. The issue is what do we do today. What Justice is there in deporting people who've lived peaceably among us, often for more than a decade? What Justice is there in deporting the Dreamers?
Meanwhile, Trump makes another dick move-
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/salvadorans-tps-end.html
I posted a balanced article, and the usual suspects knee jerked to it without providing any commentary as to why they disagreed with it. Just the usual insults and lazy, tired talking points.
Given the timing of their posts to mine, I doubt they even took the time to read it.
What I see in that article is decades of failure, starting with Reagan and followed by a series of missed opportunities during the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations due to timing, political inconvenience and failures of leadership, with the Democrats and Republicans only locking into very polarized views in recent years, further amplified by the election of Trump.
The overall narrative is a complex discussion around national identity, amnesty, exploitation and human dignity.
America is the only developed nation that provides enough services for someone to function as a non-citizen or non-native language speaker. Try functioning in Germany or Japan or Sweden or Switzerland or China or France as an undocumented or non-native speaker person.
The immigration debate also makes for interesting alliances. Unions tend to side with Republicans when it comes to carte blanche amnesty. I've seen "progressive" tech companies layoff their aging workforce and then make the convenient excuse of insufficient talent to exploit pensionless and low cost H1B labor.
The problem is that we've kicked the can so far down the road that anything less than a path to citizenship is inhumane and simply impractical.
2013, you make it sound like such ancient history.You posted an article from 2013, before the senate passed a bi partisan bill for true immigration reform, where it was killed by the Republican controlled house, not even a hearing on it.
Twenty years ago you could probably make the case for "both sides", times have changed and today we have one political party that is actively undermining our democracy and that's not hyperbole.
You can live in the past if you want to but it just makes you look petty and uninformed.
LOL, who is obfuscating? The El Salvadoran amnesty was always understood as temporary, Trump simply ended that temporary status.
NY Times is now reporting that Trump is pushing for a sweeping, bi-partisan immigration compromise. He is not wrong with his focus on merit based immigration and clamping down on chain migration.
It's the Dems fault for not passing a bill because the Reps took the house? That's some fine bullshit you're chucking there.
You lost me after "Yes the republicans killed the gang of 8 bill". The rest of what you write seems to have absolutely nothing to do with justifying killing the bill. Its complete non sequitur.2013, you make it sound like such ancient history.
Yes, the Republicans killed the gang of 8 bill, but they were able to kill it because they were able to take the House, and they took the House because the Democrats got complacent in abandoning their ground game, and Obama abandoned expending any political capital to sell immigration reform after a bruising fight to get ACA across the finish line.
It's neither petty nor uninformed to revisit the past. You learn from the past.
Trump is an outlier. The normalcy that preceeded Trump was very much an ebb and flow, and I felt the WAPO article did a fair job of summarizing the evolution of the immigration discussion without any spin.
It's not non sequitur. Democrats lament the obstructionism of Republicans without acknowleding the blunders that caused them to lose their legislative majority.You lost me after "Yes the republicans killed the gang of 8 bill". The rest of what you write seems to have absolutely nothing to do with justifying killing the bill. Its complete non sequitur.
Jesus cured the lame but I think even He would have trouble fixing your reasoning here.It's not non sequitur. Democrats lament the obstructionism of Republicans without acknowleding the blunders that caused them to lose their legislative majority.
You lost me after "Yes the republicans killed the gang of 8 bill". The rest of what you write seems to have absolutely nothing to do with justifying killing the bill. Its complete non sequitur.
It's not non sequitur. Democrats lament the obstructionism of Republicans without acknowleding the blunders that caused them to lose their legislative majority.
I hear he also cured the blind and the tone deafJesus cured the lame but I think even He would have trouble fixing your reasoning here.