DREAMers critical to future Dem electoral success

[ivwshane]

Link doesn't work, what's the title of the article?

You acknowledged the failures of both sides as 20 years in the past, I would counter those failures are more contemporary.

The new reality is also very much temporary. I understand why liberals are so fixated on the present, they have elections to win. I am looking beyond the present, and a return to normalcy unfortunately means a return to gridlock.

Lol and you accuse me of cherry picking? In 2013 a Democrat controlled Congress aloof with Republican senators passed comprehensive immigration reform. It wasn't some bullshit legislation like an ACA repeal. It was killed in a Republican controlled house, no meetings, no debate, nothing. This wasn't some one off either as house Republicans continue their obstruction of democratic processes since at least 2010, with the senate Republicans doing their best to out do them.

I have no idea why you continue to ignore these facts but you come off as a slowspyder, taj clone.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Lol and you accuse me of cherry picking? In 2013 a Democrat controlled Congress aloof with Republican senators passed comprehensive immigration reform. It wasn't some bullshit legislation like an ACA repeal. It was killed in a Republican controlled house, no meetings, no debate, nothing. This wasn't some one off either as house Republicans continue their obstruction of democratic processes since at least 2010, with the senate Republicans doing their best to out do them.

I have no idea why you continue to ignore these facts but you come off as a slowspyder, taj clone.

Yes, in that one instance a Republican controlled House, largely elected by a wave that ran on a singular platform of obstruction, unsurprisingly did just that.

Yes, in that one instance, Republicans chose obstruction to deny the Democrats a victory on inmigration reform.

I've never debated that. All I did was post a well written article with historical context, and the usual knees started jerking.

 

[ivwshane]

Yes, in that one instance a Republican controlled House, largely elected by a wave that ran on a singular platform of obstruction, unsurprisingly did just that.

Yes, in that one instance, Republicans chose obstruction to deny the Democrats a victory on inmigration reform.

I've never debated that. All I did was post a well written article with historical context, and the usual knees started jerking.

Yeah except it wasn't just one instance (with regards to all legislation). Again, your "both sides" might have been true under Reagan through Clinton (although I think the new Republican era started under Clinton), it is in no way true now.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, in that one instance a Republican controlled House, largely elected by a wave that ran on a singular platform of obstruction, unsurprisingly did just that.

Yes, in that one instance, Republicans chose obstruction to deny the Democrats a victory on inmigration reform.

I've never debated that. All I did was post a well written article with historical context, and the usual knees started jerking.

Nothing has changed in the meanwhile, of course, certainly not Repubs' stance on immigration. If anything, they're now more entrenched in xenophobia than ever with Trump as the drum major.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Nothing has changed in the meanwhile, of course, certainly not Repubs' stance on immigration. If anything, they're now more entrenched in xenophobia than ever with Trump as the drum major.

No sh!t. Red state America has reasonable concerns about globalization, automation and increasingly limited opportunities for upwards mobility, all factors easily exploited with a xenophobic narrative.

Even the most stable of democratic socialist societies are seeing an alarming rise of right wing nationalism. Take any homogenous system and rapidly introduce foreign objects and the response is predictable.

 

[ivwshane]

No sh!t. Red state America has reasonable concerns about globalization, automation and increasingly limited opportunities for upwards mobility, all factors easily exploited with a xenophobic narrative.

Even the most stable of democratic socialist societies are seeing an alarming rise of right wing nationalism. Take any homogenous system and rapidly introduce foreign objects and the response is predictable.

lol wut?

 

[Jhhnn]

No sh!t. Red state America has reasonable concerns about globalization, automation and increasingly limited opportunities for upwards mobility, all factors easily exploited with a xenophobic narrative.

Even the most stable of democratic socialist societies are seeing an alarming rise of right wing nationalism. Take any homogenous system and rapidly introduce foreign objects and the response is predictable.

Heh. Immigrants aren't the globalizers or the automators. Fighting them doesn't fight that at all. Traditionally, they slot in at the bottom, anyway, particularly illegals. Well, except under the Trump plan, we'll get the world's best & brightest who'll slot in a helluva lot closer to the top than most Americans will ever get. Let them take the best jobs, right? Hell Yeah!

American conservatives are chumps for the upward mobility concept at the individual level. Guess what? Most of us really aren't going very far in that direction, certainly not as a one man band. It's contrary to the direction capitalism is pushing us. The enormous inequality we've allowed to develop leaves most Americans as the working proletariat, like it or not.

We can recognize that & use Democracy, the govt of the people, to change it. Or we can just let the greedy Rich have it all.

 

[Starbuck1975]

lol wut?

@Jhhnn understood

 

[BurnItDwn]

reasonable concerns about globalization, automation and increasingly limited opportunities for upwards mobility, all factors easily exploited with a xenophobic narrative.

This is true, and it affects really the whole nation, all red, blue, and purple states.

The downsizing of the american dream is disastrous.