Drive Free, Retire Rich

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
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Good stuff, but I thought everything he said was common sense? :hmm:

EDIT: Shouldn't have assumed that people have common or financial sense, never mind.
 

Tweak155

Lifer
Sep 23, 2003
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Psh. Takes a lot for granted. Show me how to get 12% back on my money, that's more what I'm interested in. I paid both my cars off in 2 months after buying them.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
24,300
5,730
136
ramsey is good at talking about getting out of debt, but his investment advice is sub par
 

Zebo

Elite Member
Jul 29, 2001
39,398
19
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I've known this since about 12 (thanks Dad). Never had a car payment never will. Too bad he doesn't take it to the next level and talk about what a rip off full coverage insurance is on your cash vehicle.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
69,525
27,827
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<ATOT mode>
People really use loans to buy cars? Stupid!
</ATOT mode>
<Ironwing mode>
Never had a car payment, always pay cash. Don't drink either.
</Ironwing mode>
<Normal human being mode>
Good idea.
</normal>
 

nonameo

Diamond Member
Mar 13, 2006
5,949
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Why even buy a car you have to make payments on? There are some very good used cars out there for under 5 grand.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
31,811
10,346
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12&#37; from a mutual fund? i don't buy that..a fantastic ROI is like 8%...typical i imagine is half that.

also, this is why you don't take out 72 month loans at 8.9%. My car loan was 19k @ 3%...in total, I'm only paying $1500 interest over the course of the loan.

And I put 10% of my salary towards retirement (+5% employer contribution = 15% total)
 

irishScott

Lifer
Oct 10, 2006
21,568
3
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Why even buy a car you have to make payments on? There are some very good used cars out there for under 5 grand.

This. But that's modern culture for you. "Saving up" for something seems to be a myth at this point. Never understood why people jump for loans when there are other options. I'd rather drive the car I need for a 10 years and then buy the car I want, stress free; as opposed to paying off a rip-off loan to some bailed out bank to get the car I want right now with payments hanging over my head for years.
 

Bateluer

Lifer
Jun 23, 2001
27,730
8
0
<ATOT mode>
People really use loans to buy cars? Stupid!
</ATOT mode>
<Ironwing mode>
Never had a car payment, always pay cash. Don't drink either.
</Ironwing mode>
<Normal human being mode>
Good idea.
</normal>

QFT
 

TakeNoPrisoners

Platinum Member
Jun 3, 2011
2,600
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People want things now and they don't see the downside to buying with a loan.

OMG I want that $30K 2012 Dodge Charger now!

There is literally no thought that goes into the payments after the fact.
 

mrCide

Diamond Member
Nov 27, 1999
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12&#37;? how's that been working out with the current unstable markets?
 

child of wonder

Diamond Member
Aug 31, 2006
8,307
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+2

Unfortunately, Dave's advice is stupid. It does not take into account increased car repairs from driving older vehicles nor does it account for sales tax from buying the cars.

Going from the $1,500 car to the $6,250 car sounds nice, but in Minnesota, for example, you're going to pay $421 in sales tax (6.75&#37 on that car. There went an entire month of savings. Also, you're going to pay taxes on your mutual fund earnings.

Let's be more realistic. Assuming a nice 8% return on your mutual fund and a 15% capital gains tax, you'll have $4,896 in savings after 10 months of saving $475. During that 10 month period, you had to spend $400 in repairs on your shitty $1,500 car leaving you with $4,496. You decide to sell your car which has now depreciated to $1,200 and have $5,696 for a different car. You buy a $5,335 car (6.75% sales tax brings total to $5,696) and begin saving again for 10 months.

10 months later, you have $4,896 in your mutual fund again (after saving 15% of your gains for taxes) and your $5,335 car has depreciated to $4,500. You also had to spend $400 on repairs again. Figuring in sales tax, you can now buy a $8,838 car.

Obviously you're still gaining ground but nowhere near the rate that Ramsey claims. What about mutual fund fees? What about the increased risk of massive car repairs from driving a $1,500 and $5,335 car for 20 months with no warranty (I've own cars in that price range that have required $1,000+ in repairs in one year)? Title fees from switching cars so often? Etc...
 
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Demo24

Diamond Member
Aug 5, 2004
8,357
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Why even buy a car you have to make payments on? There are some very good used cars out there for under 5 grand.


Because you get a new car with a warranty for under 20k that will be significantly safer, more efficient, and more than likely more reliable. For a couple hundred a month..sure.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
24,300
5,730
136
<ATOT mode>
People really use loans to buy cars? Stupid!
</ATOT mode>
<Ironwing mode>
Never had a car payment, always pay cash. Don't drink either.
</Ironwing mode>
<Normal human being mode>
Good idea.
</normal>

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ProfJohn

Lifer
Jul 28, 2006
18,251
8
0
ATOT amazes me.

Every time you offer some kind of advice on how to live your life everyone is already following that advice and has been for years.

Amazing how that works.



I would tell you the secret to living to 100 and marrying a beautiful rich woman, but you guys already know it...
 

Demo24

Diamond Member
Aug 5, 2004
8,357
9
81
ATOT amazes me.

Every time you offer some kind of advice on how to live your life everyone is already following that advice and has been for years.

Amazing how that works.



I would tell you the secret to living to 100 and marrying a beautiful rich woman, but you guys already know it...


You posted something that gets posted just about every year since the forums emerged on the internet and you expect everyone in this thread to be "oh WOW! Never heard of that before, fucking brilliant idea chaps!"
 
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