Driver cuts off cyclist, then goes nuts

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JulesMaximus

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The van overtook him, if the van merged into the bike lane at the crosswalk, which he's legally required and allowed to do, this wouldn't be a problem.

The bike guy would have had to slow down the same amount if that happened. He knew the guy was going to turn.

Given that, is the bike guy upset the van didn't merge into the bike lane prior to the turn, or is it that he had to slow down because of a vehicle in the bike lane?

Bike guy is upset because wee man in the van just passed him knowing he was going to cut off the cyclist to turn into that parking lot. Wee man should have waited for the cyclist to clear the intersection and then pulled into the lot.

Bike guy should have picked up wee man and thrown his dumb ass through the rear window on his 10 year old piece of shit minivan. That would have been the proper outcome of this encounter.
 

Phoenix86

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The bike guy is upset because he almost got right hooked due to some POS manlet in a van who couldn't be bothered to slow down for 2 seconds and instead almost merged into his face. Bikes don't stop on a dime dude.

Almost right hooked, but not, because the vehicle had over taken him. Are you suggesting the vehicle can stop faster, especially when the cyclist knew the guy was turning? Interesting.

Still didn't answer the question. If he merged before the turn, after he over took the cyclist at the intersection, would that have been acceptable?
 

Phoenix86

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Bike guy is upset because wee man in the van just passed him knowing he was going to cut off the cyclist to turn into that parking lot. Wee man should have waited for the cyclist to clear the intersection and then pulled into the lot.

Guy on the bicycle should have picked up wee man and thrown him through the rear window on his 10 year old piece of shit minivan. That would have been the proper outcome of this encounter.

According to the image linked earlier that would be OK, but some of you are basically saying the cyclist has right of way to a vehicle in front of him. It's not like they were doing 40, the guy cut in front of him and slammed on the breaks to make the turn.

Hence the question.
 

Ns1

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Still didn't answer the question. If he merged before the turn, after he over took the cyclist at the intersection, would that have been acceptable?

yes because it would have given the cyclist sufficient time to slow down and pass on the left.
 

JulesMaximus

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According to the image linked earlier that would be OK, but some of you are basically saying the cyclist has right of way to a vehicle in front of him. It's not like they were doing 40, the guy cut in front of him and slammed on the breaks to make the turn.

Hence the question.

He did cut in front of him though and would have hit the guy on the bike if bike guy didn't react to avoid hitting the van.

That is why wee man in van is entirely at fault and what he should have done was jump out of the van and apologize for almost causing an accident and ask if the cyclist was okay, not curse the cyclist out for... I'm still not sure what he was cursing the cyclist out for actually as the cyclist did nothing wrong.
 

JulesMaximus

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Almost right hooked, but not, because the vehicle had over taken him. Are you suggesting the vehicle can stop faster, especially when the cyclist knew the guy was turning? Interesting.

Still didn't answer the question. If he merged before the turn, after he over took the cyclist at the intersection, would that have been acceptable?

He never fully passed the cyclist though, he started coming over before he cleared the cyclist's front wheel and he was slowing which is now impeding the cyclist's right of way so now he is forced to react to avoid a collision. It's like you passing a truck, then changing lanes right in front and slamming on the brakes and then blaming the truck driver for causing a collision.

He should have seen the cyclist, slowed down and waited the 2 seconds for the cyclist to pass him and then moved into the bike lane and made the turn.

If I'm driving along and there are cyclists in the bike lane next to me or even behind me and I need to cross through the bike lane to make a turn the burden is on me to do so safely. If that means slowing to wait for cyclists to pass then so be it.
 
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He never fully passed the cyclist, he started coming over before he cleared the cyclist's front wheel and he was slowing which is now impeding the cyclist's right of way.

He should have seen the cyclist, slowed down and waited the 2 seconds for the cyclist to pass him and then moved into the bike lane and made the turn.

Bah. If we listen to ATOT, cars > *. Pedestrian in the crosswalk with the signal - well too bad, the car is making the turn, so the pedestrian should yield. Bicycle in the bike lane, following the rules. Still the bicycle's fault. Lots of people here have some scary notions about the rules of the road and how to safely operate a several thousand pound piece of machinery.
 

Freejack2

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Good god, the guy wasted more time arguing than if he had just waited 2 or 3 seconds to let the bicyclist pass.
 

glenn1

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He was a cyclist and therefore a douche.

Most normal people (whether on car or bike) would have simply gone around the guy in the minivan to the left once he cut them off. Especially in the city anyone on the road is going to get cut off frequently. No one would ever get anywhere if every time it happened, the person who got cut off decided to instead almost tap their rear bumper just to prove the point that the lead car was being a jerk.

If you don't go around someone in an instance like shown in this video, you are a douche period no matter what kind of vehicle you're operating. You don't react to jerks on the road by proceeding to act like a jerk yourself in retaliation.
 

WelshBloke

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Most normal people (whether on car or bike) would have simply gone around the guy in the minivan to the left once he cut them off. Especially in the city anyone on the road is going to get cut off frequently. No one would ever get anywhere if every time it happened, the person who got cut off decided to instead almost tap their rear bumper just to prove the point that the lead car was being a jerk.

If you don't go around someone in an instance like shown in this video, you are a douche period no matter what kind of vehicle you're operating. You don't react to jerks on the road by proceeding to act like a jerk yourself in retaliation.
Yeah.

He should have kicked in the guys rear light and cycled off.
 

glenn1

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Yeah.

He should have kicked in the guys rear light and cycled off.

Yeah, or this. "Oops my foot slipped into your taillight trying to avoid you" I can see. Considering the damn things cost several hundred to replace nowadays it would have been about right karma-wise.
 

Ns1

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Most normal people (whether on car or bike) would have simply gone around the guy in the minivan to the left once he cut them off. Especially in the city anyone on the road is going to get cut off frequently. No one would ever get anywhere if every time it happened, the person who got cut off decided to instead almost tap their rear bumper just to prove the point that the lead car was being a jerk.

If you don't go around someone in an instance like shown in this video, you are a douche period no matter what kind of vehicle you're operating. You don't react to jerks on the road by proceeding to act like a jerk yourself in retaliation.

I don't think you've ever ridden a bike on the street. There was only 3 places for the bike to go - the back of the van, the side of the van, or under the van. Even if the cyclist had enough time to react/brake/move left, the cyclist can't cut to the left because there are other cars to be concerned about.
 
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Humpy

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Most normal people (whether on car or bike) would have simply gone around the guy in the minivan to the left once he cut them off. Especially in the city anyone on the road is going to get cut off frequently. No one would ever get anywhere if every time it happened, the person who got cut off decided to instead almost tap their rear bumper just to prove the point that the lead car was being a jerk.

If you don't go around someone in an instance like shown in this video, you are a douche period no matter what kind of vehicle you're operating. You don't react to jerks on the road by proceeding to act like a jerk yourself in retaliation.

I have to agree with that, although at the same time I don't blame the bicyclist too much for losing his cool.

Personally, when I'm out riding cars become just another obstacle like gravel in the road, pedestrians, or dogs. Avoiding them is part of the thrill. I also keep a sense of where everyone one is so I can pretty much predict when a driver is going to spazz out. I'll brake, turn, or accelerate as needed to get away from them without slowing or stopping. I'm not interested in any confrontation even though I'm admittedly one of the people all the fat alcoholics in this thread are upset about. :|

When I'm out driving or walking or riding my bikes, I know most people don't give a crap about me. Likewise, no fucks are given if I occasionally frighten a driver or ignore some traffic laws.
 

Phoenix86

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He never fully passed the cyclist though, he started coming over before he cleared the cyclist's front wheel and he was slowing which is now impeding the cyclist's right of way so now he is forced to react to avoid a collision. It's like you passing a truck, then changing lanes right in front and slamming on the brakes and then blaming the truck driver for causing a collision.

He should have seen the cyclist, slowed down and waited the 2 seconds for the cyclist to pass him and then moved into the bike lane and made the turn.

If I'm driving along and there are cyclists in the bike lane next to me or even behind me and I need to cross through the bike lane to make a turn the burden is on me to do so safely. If that means slowing to wait for cyclists to pass then so be it.
He did pass him, otherwise the side of the van would have hit the cyclist. What he didn't do was pass properly, there wasn't enough room from the time he passed to the time he merged. He cut the guy off in the process of merging/turning.

We barely have any bike lanes around here, at least where I drive. I never knew you had to merge into them for a turn, but it makes sense.
 
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