Driver intentionally hits motorcyclist and doesn't care

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Phoenix86

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Assuming the driver thought he saw a sharp, shiny object in the road and quickly swerved to avoid it, his perspective is that if the motorcycle was not in an unexpected, illegal location then the collision could not have occurred. Therefore, he believes that the accident is not his fault and does not care about what video camera guy is accusing him of.

Based on the video, the above is a perfectly realistic scenario.

It is also entirely possible that the driver saw the rider approaching and made a decision in anger to swerve over.

You have decided that it is the second possibility. Me, being wise and unbiased, have decided that, without further information, both parties are equally at fault for failing to avoid an accident.

Nothing wrong with that, simple difference of opinions. FWIW the driver claimed a wasp stung him. I think he's a lying piece of shit.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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Except you don't know that it was a homicide attempt. He could have swerved just to try to slow him down and accidentally hit him. The fact they he says "I don't care" means nothing as it doesn't speak to his intent. Most of the people that see the video won't care either.

-KeithP

If he'd actually killed someone in that situation that would count as Vehicular homicide wouldnt it?

Vehicular homicide is a crime that, in general, involves the death of an individual other than the driver as a result of either criminally negligent or murderous operation of a vehicle. The former case and the more common conviction of unintentional vehicular homicide is known as vehicular manslaughter.
 

purbeast0

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Nothing wrong with that, simple difference of opinions. FWIW the driver claimed a wasp stung him. I think he's a lying piece of shit.

or was it a bee? even he wasn't sure. i did like how he threw in the "it may have been a bee" thing. nice touch.
 

Humpy

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Yes, I did notice that. I'm sure that old douche had a gun on him and I hope the law throws the fucking book through this guy's thick ass skull. Fuck him. Douchebags like this deserve to die.

I'll tell you this, I would not have been as cordial as the guy filming this was.

If I remember you ride a motorcycle? Would you have put yourself in that position by passing a slowing car in a no passing zone without knowing why he was slowing (turning, drunk, mechanical issue, oil on the pavement, etc.)?

I totally agree with you but I kind of wish they all perished in a flaming pile of wreckage.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
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Yeah, cyclist can get his passing over a double yellow and the car driver can get attempted murder or whatever the heck intentionally hitting someone like that with intent to injure will draw. In addition to also intentionally crossing a double yellow. I'm ok with that.

Though to be honest I'm actually not 100% certain what the rule is on double yellow if the guy was seriously going as slow as claimed. I do know the car driver is (or should be) completely fucked.

Double yellow is no passing unless very specific conditions exist, emergency maneuver, road work, etc.. Doesn't matter how slow the guy in front of you is going. On 2 lane highways like this it's because neither side has a clear line of sight to oncoming cars for a safe pass.
 

WelshBloke

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Assuming the driver thought he saw a sharp, shiny object in the road and quickly swerved to avoid it, his perspective is that if the motorcycle was not in an unexpected, illegal location then the collision could not have occurred. Therefore, he believes that the accident is not his fault and does not care about what video camera guy is accusing him of.

By doing that (for what ever reason) wouldnt the car driver be taking an illegal position in the road?

So the car driver is guilty of doing what the biker was doing as well as deliberately trying to run him over.
 

Humpy

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By doing that (for what ever reason) wouldnt the car driver be taking an illegal position in the road?

Not if he thought it would cause a wreck by running over said shiny object.

(FYI, I'm imagining the shiny object as a chrome revolver being held by a squirrel).
 

gorcorps

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Driver is a dick and should be charged with something. If somebody does something stupid and illegal you flip them off and yell like a normal person, you don't try to kill them.
 

Fayd

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Attempted murder is not justified by a minor moving volition. The driver of the car knowingly forced the bike to crash. Motorcycle rider should receive a ticket, car driver should go to prison. Motorcycle rider should also sue the driver in civil court and strip him clean.

Saying attempted murder is justified by a minor infraction is world class stupid. Should we be hunting jaywalkers? Perhaps start executing people who roll through a stop sign at 5 mph? What about the scofflaws that double park? 10, maybe 15 years of hard labor?

i'm actually okay with that one.
 

Brian Stirling

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The motorcyclist shouldn't have been speeding and passing on a double yellow either.

On a scale or 1 to 100 with one being 'thinking bad thoughts' and 100 being genocide I'd put the passing on a double line about a 5 and the attempted murder closer to an 80 -- yeah, pretty much the same thing!


Brian
 

datalink7

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I never said that's how civilized society works and I never said the driver was right or justified. I said that I have no sympathy for the biker because HE BROKE THE LAW FIRST and his injuries are a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of that action. If you can't read and understand, have the common courtesy to shut up.

Simple question here, ignore the actions of the driver for a moment. Would the cyclist have been hurt if he had not INTENTIONALLY broken the law and endangered other people using that road? Yes or no. If the answer is no, and nobody in this thread is possibly stupid enough to argue otherwise, then why should I or anyone else care that he got hurt? I don't care one little bit. I don't approve of the actions of the driver and I don't approve of the actions of the cyclist. My sympathy is reserved for innocent victims.

It's highly ironic that you have a quote from "The Age of Reason" in your signature block while utilizing reasoning (or lack thereof) that probably has Paine rolling over in his grave...
 

Linux23

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So the motorcyclist intentionally ignoring the laws and endangering everyone else on the road means nothing to you?


See how that works? Let me ask you, which person broke the law first? And would that person have been in a position to be hit if he didn't make the decision to intentionally break the law?

you FAIL at life.
 

OutHouse

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You guys ever been on a 2 lane country road when some jack ass is going way under the speed limit?

nearly every damn day on my commute to work. fuckers going 40 in a 65 with nobody in front of them and i cant pass due to oncoming traffic or double yellow pisses me off to no end.
 

Fingolfin269

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nearly every damn day on my commute to work. fuckers going 40 in a 65 with nobody in front of them and i cant pass due to oncoming traffic or double yellow pisses me off to no end.

I'll pass a double yellow if it's clear. Just because it's double really doesn't mean visibility is low all the time. Just gotta use common sense. Of course now I'm concerned some guy might just decide to side swipe me, you know to prove a life lesson!
 

OutHouse

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oh and no gear on the motorcycle riders except for a helmet? that probably saved their lives.
 

master_shake_

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To all of you saying passing on the DY is automatically Bad - stop. Just stop.

a) You probably don’t ride. Believe me, there are plenty of places that are unsafe for a car to pass where it’s no problem for a bike (either due to the bike being able to do the pass or simply because of things like better sightlines due to lane positioning etc). So it comes down to The Law vs. common sense, being stuck behind a slow car in the twisties for 15 miles till the next actual passing zone, stuff like that. And guess what - it’s generally safer on a bike to go slightly faster than traffic (better control of the situation), so being stuck behind someone slow is really almost the last place you want to be.

b) There are PLENTY of times on a bike where breaking The Law is necessary, many of which involving getting away from the vicinity of douchebags in cars. E.g. cars looove to speed up when you pass (even though you are on a bike, which in most cases means not a chance of actually preventing the pass) - and then once you are in front they hang with you. Not the kind of people I like to hang around and have to continue to deal with, so usually a burst of serious speed gets them to give up and drop back. I’d hate to get a ticket at that moment as this happens all the time....

There is a serious lack of “live and let live” on the roads these days - enough such that I’d say it counts as a rather damning barometer of the lack of benevolence in our society....

is this how all bikers feel?
 

pauldun170

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is this how all bikers feel?

rider for 20+ years (Sportbikes)
Absolutely not.
That guy is a moron and everyone of the idiots who is backing him is another example of Bro-fist idiot culture that tend to dominate the internet.

I'm at the point now where i don't even waste my time responding to that sort of stupidity anymore.

Even when I was the age of the typical "Hey brah" such as that idiot on lanesplitter I would be embarrassed to try and make the points that person is trying make.

People like that do not last long as a rider and usually drop out of it as they get older but when they try and speak for other riders all I want to do is punch their parents in the face for raising an asshole.

I still blame biker boys for introducing the sport to so many douchebags.

When you get a chance, you can ask me how I really feel on the subject
 

master_shake_

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rider for 20+ years (Sportbikes)
Absolutely not.
That guy is a moron and everyone of the idiots who is backing him is another example of Bro-fist idiot culture that tend to dominate the internet.

I'm at the point now where i don't even waste my time responding to that sort of stupidity anymore.

Even when I was the age of the typical "Hey brah" such as that idiot on lanesplitter I would be embarrassed to try and make the points that person is trying make.

People like that do not last long as a rider and usually drop out of it as they get older but when they try and speak for other riders all I want to do is punch their parents in the face for raising an asshole.

I still blame biker boys for introducing the sport to so many douchebags.

When you get a chance, you can ask me how I really feel on the subject

i knew what he said was complete crap.

but as you said the morons propping him up really don't help you kinda second guess your common sense.
 
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