Driver sentenced for 45 years in Chicago road rage case

[purplehayes]

<< I hate it when those stupid bikers think they own the road and ride right in the middle of the lane leaving u no room to pass them up. If they get hit by cars it's their fault, they should ride on the freakin sidewalk or something or go ride some mountain trails. >>

I don't own the road, but then again neither do you. I do have every right to ride on it and it that inconveniences you for 15 seconds, then you'll just have to live with it. Georgia law says that I need to ride to the right of the roadway as closely as "practicable" but that I have every right to take an entire lane if my safety depends on it. If you can't live with these perceived "problem" cyclists, may you need to seek some professional counseling.



<< Just stay the hell off our busy streets. >>


For the most part, I do stay off of the busy streets. My route to work is 2 miles longer by bike than it is by car just to avoid the more congested areas but you'll also find that the only thing that connects the less traveled roads is busier roads and they are impossible to avoid if I want to make it to work or where ever on a bike.

Gonad - I jog on the roads, too. You'll get over it. I sorry if I've inconvenienced you in any way. I know you must be in a big rush to get to your next order of super-sized chili cheese fries.

PH

 

[Anghang]

dang...this thread helped to kill a good amount of time during my nightshift...thanx

anyway, in regards to cyclists on the road, they do have the right to be there granted that they follow the rules of the road as well.

during the times where i've come across cyclists, i've always given them the right of way, i'm pretty patient, if i can't pass them, i'll wait till i get the chance to, i mean, they're smaller and i could easily kill/injure them, its pretty much the same mentality as pedestrians always having the right of way if they're in traffic's way. driving a car means you have a responsibility to ensure to the best of your ability and judgement the safety of not just yourself, but of those vehicles, cyclists, pedestrians, etc around you while driving, regardless of other ppl's stupidity...

well..that's my take on this discussion.. ....

oh and IMHO that killer did get what he deserved and the hockey dad did not (lucky bastard!! :|)

 

[Nitemare]

Glad you enjoyed the read. I didn't mean to get it started.

What I mean't to say was that bicycles did not belong on EVERY road, as well as the 45 years that he got wasn't fair considering bludgeoning and braining a man to death in front of a group of kids will get you only a couple of years. He did this without thinking it was not premeditated and he did show remorse at the trial.

No one person deserves to be made an example of, put yourself in his shoes.

How is it fair if you were to get crucified for something when someone else gets moderate punishment?

 

[PlatinumGold]

oh also

i find bad drivers to be a lot more annoying than all the cyclist put together.

 

[Nitemare]

<< oh also

i find bad drivers to be a lot more annoying than all the cyclist put together. >>



I agree with you there

 

[Brutuskend]

A little history lesson.

Do you know when and WHY they first paved roads in this country?

It was BEFORE car's were even invented, and they were paved FOR bicycles!!

And there are still a lot of countrys where the major traffic on most roads ARE bicycles.

Bicycles have just as much rights to the road as do cars. And they have to follow a lot of the same rules. (though some bikers don't)

 

[VPNightshade]

<< Glad you enjoyed the read. I didn't mean to get it started. What I mean't to say was that bicycles did not belong on EVERY road, as well as the 45 years that he got wasn't fair considering bludgeoning and braining a man to death in front of a group of kids will get you only a couple of years. He did this without thinking it was not premeditated and he did show remorse at the trial. No one person deserves to be made an example of, put yourself in his shoes. How is it fair if you were to get crucified for something when someone else gets moderate punishment? >>



Agreed. Good thread. It is not fair. In my opinion the guy that killed the other father at the kid's game is just as guilty and should have gotten just as bad a sentence if not worse than this guy. He killed that guy in front of a group of kid's! What kind of permanent damage (besides the guy's death) is he now responsible for? That is not something those kid's will ever forget.

As adults we should pay the price for our actions in any situation. Remorse after the fact only really means that they are sorry that they will have to pay the price. How many people truly feel remorse over their actions if they don't have to pay the price? Very few and it took a sometime to turn himself in. It wasn't immediate. If we think before we act these things don't happen. The best thing to do is take a couple of deep breaths and remind yourself that in these cases the person who doesn't react is the better person.

VP

 

[Bigdude]

Bicyle's should stay off the road!! They don't pay gasoline tax!

 

[Jerboy]

<< Bicyle's should stay off the road!! They don't pay gasoline tax! >>



Bicycles don't tear up the roads, bust up guardrails, knock down utility poles and pollute the air like cars do. When you buy gasoline for farm use, you aren't taxed the same. The gasoline tax is there to pay for road repairs and stuff.

You think the road is only for motorized vehicle use and not others. It's called a PUBLIC road.

Do you think your road use be limited, because you don't pay as much tax as people driving around in Rolls Royce, Bentley, Mercede and BMW's?

 

[Anghang]

<< Glad you enjoyed the read. I didn't mean to get it started.

What I mean't to say was that bicycles did not belong on EVERY road, as well as the 45 years that he got wasn't fair considering bludgeoning and braining a man to death in front of a group of kids will get you only a couple of years. He did this without thinking it was not premeditated and he did show remorse at the trial.

No one person deserves to be made an example of, put yourself in his shoes.

How is it fair if you were to get crucified for something when someone else gets moderate punishment? >>



if i got punished more so than someone else for committing the same crime, then yes its unfair, but in this circumstance, the crime was committed differently...one with a weapon and one without....

if comparing the two situations, yes the 45 yrs is unfair...that hockey dad should of gotten 45 yrs as well, maybe more, he got lucky....but with the driver, he had a weapon (his car), which should require him to be responsible for its use...

IMHO the two crimes shouldn't be compared at all and our justice system is whacked...sometimes you get justice and sometimes you don't....sadly its not as good a system as i'd like it to be...

 

[Ultima]

<< Bicyle's should stay off the road!! They don't pay gasoline tax! >>



Everyone pays tax for roadways, whether they drive or not
You really think gasoline tax alone can take care of even a fraction of the cost of maintaining roadways?

 

[her209]

I hate it when I am riding a bike on the sidewalk and someone in front of me is walking really slowly, but I can't pass them because I don't want to hit them. Its like, "Get out of the way dammit, if I wanted to go this slow, I would have walked." :|

 

[kumanchu]

erm, is it me, or did i just read BICYCLE MESSANGER. wouldn't that mean its his job to take stuff places in the city? he's not out on some road doing training. its in the city where the speed limit is 35mph! this is a pretty common occupation in washington dc as you see bike messangers all over the place, but i really haven't seen them that much in chicago (i'm attending school here). maybe this is why.....

 

[Fausto]

Damn, this thread is still alive. These were priceless..


<< I hate it when those stupid bikers think they own the road and ride right in the middle of the lane leaving u no room to pass them up. If they get hit by cars it's their fault, they should ride on the freakin sidewalk or something or go ride some mountain trails. Just stay the hell off our busy streets. >>




<< U wanna ride your bike, go to the mountains or some less busy roads or somethin. Just stay the hell off of our busy streets where there are lots of cars and you will be in danger if you try to ride in the middle of freakin traffic. >>



I live in Alanta. It's an hour to the mountains by car, and there is no such thing as "less busy roads" here. They all suck and our city gov is too broke (thanks to its amazing levels of corruption) to even think about ever putting bike lanes in here. They don't even have money to field/pay a full staff of police officers....bike lanes are way down toward the bottom of ATL's "to-do" list, believe me. There's a reason Atlanta gets voted "Least Cycling-Friendly City" every year by Bicycling Magazine. (Bugs me that they're even considering buying Segways for the downtown patrol when the money for ONE Segway could buy 10 mountain bikes. )



<< Bicycles on roads cause accidents. Anyone/anything playing in the road that's not keeping up with the flow of traffic causes accidents. >>



Riiiiiiiiiiight. When's the last time you read the headline: "Slow-moving cyclist blamed in deadly multi-car pileup"?

Fausto

 

[rahvin]

<< Everyone pays tax for roadways, whether they drive or not
You really think gasoline tax alone can take care of even a fraction of the cost of maintaining roadways? >>



All federal money for interstates comes out of the federal highway trust fund, funded exclusively by the federal gas tax. State roads are almost universally funded with state gasoline taxes. Local roads depends entirely on your locality, some fund with state allocated funds (from the gas tax) others use a small percentage of the sales tax or property tax.

 

[Ultima]

<< I hate it when I am riding a bike on the sidewalk and someone in front of me is walking really slowly, but I can't pass them because I don't want to hit them. Its like, "Get out of the way dammit, if I wanted to go this slow, I would have walked." :| >>



Don't bike on the sidewalk. On some streets around here that is hazardous anyway since most motorists don't stop before the sidewalk but stop OVER the sidewalk so you may get hit or find yourself unable to brake in time if vision is obstructed. Usually, sidewalks are in crappier condition than streets anyway

 

[Ultima]

<<

<< Everyone pays tax for roadways, whether they drive or not
You really think gasoline tax alone can take care of even a fraction of the cost of maintaining roadways? >>



All federal money for interstates comes out of the federal highway trust fund, funded exclusively by the federal gas tax. State roads are almost universally funded with state gasoline taxes. Local roads depends entirely on your locality, some fund with state allocated funds (from the gas tax) others use a small percentage of the sales tax or property tax. >>



hmm
well around here, whenever the government fixes up a highway or builds a subway line or whatever everyone ends up paying for it through taxes.

The US has one of the lowest gas tax rates in the world so I would be really truly amazed if most of the costs of building the roads, purchasing right-of-way, and everything else that has to be taken care of (including any subsidies to road, car or oil, thats part of maintaining a road network too) is covered mostly by gasoline tax.

 

[malbojah]

<<

<< Bicyle's should stay off the road!! They don't pay gasoline tax! >>



Bicycles don't tear up the roads, bust up guardrails, knock down utility poles and pollute the air like cars do. When you buy gasoline for farm use, you aren't taxed the same. The gasoline tax is there to pay for road repairs and stuff.

You think the road is only for motorized vehicle use and not others. It's called a PUBLIC road.

Do you think your road use be limited, because you don't pay as much tax as people driving around in Rolls Royce, Bentley, Mercede and BMW's? >>




Can it be?? I actually agree completely with Jerboy??? Nah, must be a mistake...next think you know I be falling in right behind Russ and Red Dawn