drivers from opposite direction cutting my green light

[sdifox]

honestly i woulda ram into them the next time for fun, if son wasnt in the car.
it's time for another car anyway since my 2001 camry starts making vibrations when stationary.

You may just need new mounts.

 

[purbeast0]

and here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U7BHmxJrxg
im used to the 1st car cutting me off now. but i didnt expect the 2nd car to cut me off

hahaha :thumbsup: for not letting that 2nd dickscarf get in front of you.

 

[purbeast0]

0 accidents in 20 years of driving brother. The safety of this maneuver depends entirely on the circumstances. I don't do it if it's not safe.



Why would you do this? It's not a competition; if I'm in the opposite situation, I always delay for a moment to give the other car a chance to make the left turn. It's courteous, and it helps traffic flow since cars going straight through the intersection won't be trapped behind them.



Yeah, I'm the one trolling, not the people saying that they're going to deliberately ram cars that are turning in front of them.

you sound like you are one of those people who will wave on people at a 4 way stop sign who got there after you did, completely fucking up the flow of traffic. another thing that completely grinds my gears. if you get there before me, you go before me.

 

[thesmokingman]

Yesterday, some asshat in a Prius slowed to 20mph because he was unsure where to go. Then he waved off to get into the left turn lane, a minute later ventured back into traffic, again was confused, slowed to 10mph...

What gives ppl the impression they own the road? Same with the idea that they have a right to quick lefts?

 

[NoCreativity]

Those two drivers should lose their licenses. That second driver, though probably distracted and just following the other driver's lead, should be decapitated.

Agreed.

 

[Midwayman]

Sometimes I wish it was acceptable to just ram people who violate your right of way. I would go a long way in curbing asshole drivers.

 

[cronos]

you sound like you are one of those people who will wave on people at a 4 way stop sign who got there after you did, completely fucking up the flow of traffic. another thing that completely grinds my gears. if you get there before me, you go before me.

This irks me as well. The natural flow and safety of our roads is highly dependent on every single vehicle out there knowing and following the rules of right of ways. It's when people started to make their own rules (or, in your example, being nice(?)) that the road becomes dangerous. It is ridiculous how a lot of people on the road don't seem to understand right of ways. It is the most basic concept of driving.

 

[cronos]

and here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U7BHmxJrxg
im used to the 1st car cutting me off now. but i didnt expect the 2nd car to cut me off

That is pretty insane.

I would never ever think that doing something like that is okay, but reading the responses in this thread, I guess this is one of those 'local' conventions where in some places doing this is acceptable. So I guess if it is getting more common where you live, you better be ready for it.

 

[luv2liv]

This irks me as well. The natural flow and safety of our roads is highly dependent on every single vehicle out there knowing and following the rules of right of ways. It's when people started to make their own rules (or, in your example, being nice(?)) that the road becomes dangerous. It is ridiculous how a lot of people on the road don't seem to understand right of ways. It is the most basic concept of driving.

license suspension would be a good start.
if you saw my video, the driver who cut me off got the nerve to honk me. as if i broke the rule.

 

[vi edit]

Ok the videos really helped understand what you were saying. Yes those two drivers need to be wiped off the road. That's a horrible tactic. If I had some shitbox I would have aimed right at them. Do they have their own left turn arrow, or is it a straight through with only the option to turn turn left if the intersection is clear?

If there is no turn arrow provided, then the only way the city is going to make a change is if enough people get into a wreck there. If I had a shitbox then I'd take one for the team and hit them on purpose. Only way it's going to stop.

I have seen that happening more and more frequently in my area. And it's almost always because there is no left turn arrow on their side and they may never have an opportunity to turn left at busy times of the day.

 

[ControlD]

I have seen that happening more and more frequently in my area. And it's almost always because there is no left turn arrow on their side and they may never have an opportunity to turn left at busy times of the day.

I see that all the time here in fairly rural Ohio as well. Still, there is always an opportunity for one or two cars to negotiate a left turn even if there is no left turn arrow. They have to pull into the intersection when the light is green and then complete the turn when the light turns yellow/red. That is how it is supposed to be done. Usually you have to wait for the light to turn red because everyone blows through yellow lights these days.

 

[vi edit]

I see that all the time here in fairly rural Ohio as well. Still, there is always an opportunity for one or two cars to negotiate a left turn even if there is no left turn arrow. They have to pull into the intersection when the light is green and then complete the turn when the light turns yellow/red. That is how it is supposed to be done. Usually you have to wait for the light to turn red because everyone blows through yellow lights these days.

The shitty part there, is that typically if traffic is so busy that they need to do that, then it's so backed up the other direction that the oncoming traffic has 3 or 4 cars that run through the red light. So by the time that traffic comes through and the two in the intersection get through the traffic coming through the intersection has had a green for 10 seconds and they are are getting antsy.

A lot of cities have not responded well with traffic patterns and ever growing subdivisions that add hundreds of drivers in a very short amount of time.

 

[poofyhairguy]

if you saw my video, the driver who cut me off got the nerve to honk me. as if i broke the rule.

He was obviously a dickbag, but you won in the end. Isn't that all that matters?

 

[purbeast0]

This irks me as well. The natural flow and safety of our roads is highly dependent on every single vehicle out there knowing and following the rules of right of ways. It's when people started to make their own rules (or, in your example, being nice(?)) that the road becomes dangerous. It is ridiculous how a lot of people on the road don't seem to understand right of ways. It is the most basic concept of driving.

i will sit there and wait for the waving idiot to go before me if i feel like being a dick. it makes for some awkward moments lol.

 

[luv2liv]

there is no left turn signal at this intersection, like most streets in city of philly.
there is a left lane to turn left. and they have to wait for cars to clear, in order to turn left.

 

[DrPizza]

Sort of a tangent to the issue raised by the OP (which people have been doing for a LONG time around here) that raises my blood pressure. Are young drivers no longer being taught to pull into the intersection while waiting to make a left turn at a traffic light? I see people waiting through multiple green lights to make a left hand turn almost every day. It drives me crazy.

Perhaps driving instruction has gotten better than when you were instructed? I could be wrong, and I'm not googling it first, but if I recall correctly, you are not to enter an intersection unless you can immediately exit the intersection. I.e., you can't go into the intersection unless you can keep going. I completely agree that it's impractical if you're making a left hand turn though - it could result in an impossibility for some lanes to ever make a left without running a yellow/red light, else cutting someone off at certain times of the day.

Remember though, 3 rights make a left.

 

[ControlD]

I will admit that if it is only one lane of opposing traffic, and the first vehicle facing the other direction is an 18-wheeler, farm equipment or something similarly slow I will sometimes make that quick left as well. I won't do it normally however. I shouldn't ever do it, but sometimes my dark side companion takes over.

 

[ControlD]

Perhaps driving instruction has gotten better than when you were instructed? I could be long, and I'm not googling it first, but if I recall correctly, you are not to enter an intersection unless you can immediately exit the intersection. I.e., you can't go into the intersection unless you can keep going. I completely agree that it's impractical if you're making a left hand turn though - it could result in an impossibility for some lanes to ever make a left without running a yellow/red light, else cutting someone off at certain times of the day.

Remember though, 3 rights make a left.

If you are long, you know it!

Hmm. Not sure. We were taught that way when I took driver's education back in the 1980's. I guess I always assumed that was the "correct" way but I could very well be mistaken.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/09/traffic_talk_should_you_enter.html

http://patch.com/california/sanbruno/ask-a-cop-should-i-pull-halfway-into-an-intersection-while-waiting-for-oncoming-traffic-to-pass_2c7b8d8a

 

[kranky]

Here's my tactic. Just before the light turns green, wave the other driver through so they know you are going to let them go. Then you won't be caught off guard, and the other guy won't have to stomp on the gas to beat you. He'll turn at a normal speed. You'll be able to edge into the intersection as the opposing guy turns in front of you.

You'll find the second guy waiting to turn left will wait because the first guy didn't go fast enough to get two cars through.

Best part is there is no surprises.

 

[Blackjack200]

Perhaps driving instruction has gotten better than when you were instructed? I could be long, and I'm not googling it first, but if I recall correctly, you are not to enter an intersection unless you can immediately exit the intersection. i.e., you can't go into the intersection unless you can keep going. I completely agree that it's impractical if you're making a left hand turn though - it could result in an impossibility for some lanes to ever make a left without running a yellow/red light, else cutting someone off at certain times of the day.

Remember though, 3 rights make a left.

This is a good example where the letter of the law is incompatible with good driving technique. When the oncoming traffic is too busy, you enter the intersection and make your turn after the light has changed and given you an opening. This is no different in principal than making your turn before the oncoming traffic begins.

The alternative is to sit in front of the traffic light until the end of rush hour when you can have your nice, convenient gap.

 

[IronWing]

This used to be SOP for Boston drivers. It was a game of chicken. If the first left turn driver beat the oncoming traffic into the intersection, the rest of the left turn line would keep coming.

There is a reason the term Massoles was coined.

 

[thestrangebrew1]

Thank goodness this isn't a tactic regularly employed where I'm at. That would drive me nuts. It never occurred to me to try and beat out the right of way drivers, although if it were a single lane road and a tractor or 18 wheeler as posted above I could see the attraction. Still, I've never done this nor have I seen this out here.

+1 on the vid. I need to get a dashcam.

 

[IronWing]

Perhaps driving instruction has gotten better than when you were instructed? I could be long, and I'm not googling it first, but if I recall correctly, you are not to enter an intersection unless you can immediately exit the intersection. I.e., you can't go into the intersection unless you can keep going. I completely agree that it's impractical if you're making a left hand turn though - it could result in an impossibility for some lanes to ever make a left without running a yellow/red light, else cutting someone off at certain times of the day.

Remember though, 3 rights make a left.

Here, the city surrendered and paints left turn "lead off" lines out in the middle of intersections in attempt to keep left turners from blocking the oncoming lanes through over zealous lead-offs.

 

[Blackjack200]

This used to be SOP for Boston drivers. It was a game of chicken. If the first left turn driver beat the oncoming traffic into the intersection, the rest of the left turn line would keep coming.

There is a reason the term Massoles was coined.

I only seen this in one intersection in NJ, and it's a result of a left turn arrow. At the intersection of 124 and Vauxhall Road in Union, NJ.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/U...m2!3m1!1s0x89c3ad9f6f9daa9b:0x570322a196f054c

Northbound traffic on Vauxhall Road has a protected left/green arrow, but after it runs out and Southbound traffic gets their green, the left turners just keep going in a conga line. It happens enough that I wish they would put a cop there to just hand out tickets until people get the message.

 

[manly]

Here's my tactic. Just before the light turns green, wave the other driver through so they know you are going to let them go. Then you won't be caught off guard, and the other guy won't have to stomp on the gas to beat you. He'll turn at a normal speed. You'll be able to edge into the intersection as the opposing guy turns in front of you.

You'll find the second guy waiting to turn left will wait because the first guy didn't go fast enough to get two cars through.

Best part is there is no surprises.

I'm a pretty courteous driver, but I'm surprised you/people do this? It's safe only if there's a single lane in each direction and you're sure the opposing driver is paying attention to your hand-waving.

This is a good example where the letter of the law is incompatible with good driving technique. When the oncoming traffic is too busy, you enter the intersection and make your turn after the light has changed and given you an opening. This is no different in principal than making your turn before the oncoming traffic begins.

The alternative is to sit in front of the traffic light until the end of rush hour when you can have your nice, convenient gap.

It is completely different, even in principle.

In the former, you're breaking a small rule that does not impact anyone's safety. Also, the letter of the law could vary by state (waiting in the intersection may be legal).
In the latter, you're ignoring right of way and increasing the probability of accidents.