drivers from opposite direction cutting my green light

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Blackjack200

Lifer
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I'm a pretty courteous driver, but I'm surprised you/people do this? It's safe only if there's a single lane in each direction and you're sure the opposing driver is paying attention to your hand-waving.

I generally only do this if there's a single lane coming the other way. It can usually be safely done across two, but at that point you're cutting people off.

It is completely different, even in principle.

In the former, you're breaking a small rule that does not impact anyone's safety. Also, the letter of the law could vary by state (waiting in the intersection may be legal).
In the latter, you're ignoring right of way and increasing the probability of accidents.

It's incredibly simple and safe. You anticipate the green and keep your wheels straight. As soon as the light turns green you roll into the intersection to the spot where you're going wait to make the turn anyway. If the other car has not moved yet (usually the case) you just follow through with your turn. The only way that he even could hit you is if he mashes the gas after sitting at the green light a moment or two. Which is something some people in this thread seem to enjoy the idea of.

In the opposite situation, I don't wave anybody anywhere. I just watch their wheels. If they immediately proceed into the intersection when the light turns green, I let them make their turn, if there's any delay between the light turning green and their wheels moving, I go through the intersection. How in the world this is complicated, dangerous, rude, or in any way infuriating is completely beyond me. I've probably done it hundreds of times and never had anyone beep at me.
 

jtvang125

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Nov 10, 2004
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Here in SoCal I'm quite amazed I don't see this more often at stoplights. At 4 way stops, it's a totally different story though. You have people taking forever to go, people trying to beat everyone else and double cars.

What's common here are the drivers that get into the right turn lane as if they're making a right. At the green light they'll
 

luv2liv

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Dec 27, 2001
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This used to be SOP for Boston drivers. It was a game of chicken. If the first left turn driver beat the oncoming traffic into the intersection, the rest of the left turn line would keep coming.

There is a reason the term Massoles was coined.

you are absolutely right! it does feel like playing a game of chicken every time. im not scared. i play it all the time when i know i am right, cause i have the dashcam to prove it. except when son is in the car, off course.
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
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What you did was perfectly fine.
The white SUV's maneuver was prickish, but fairly common.
The Honda was an asshole trying to get his way via momentum and intimidation.
You called his bluff. Your reaction to block him was perfect.
I also like how you barely hesitated and continued around him.
Nice job.
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
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Here's my tactic. Just before the light turns green, wave the other driver through so they know you are going to let them go. Then you won't be caught off guard, and the other guy won't have to stomp on the gas to beat you. He'll turn at a normal speed. You'll be able to edge into the intersection as the opposing guy turns in front of you.

You'll find the second guy waiting to turn left will wait because the first guy didn't go fast enough to get two cars through.

Best part is there is no surprises.
Ugh. If you have the right of way, TAKE IT.

Your tactic is dangerous because you aren't on the same page as the person next to you or behind you. You might be rear ended or cause congestion in heavy traffic situations where everyone starts to roll on green.

Nothing causes more confusion and aggravation than someone NOT taking their right of way.
 

crashtech

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Jan 4, 2013
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Sort of a tangent to the issue raised by the OP (which people have been doing for a LONG time around here) that raises my blood pressure. Are young drivers no longer being taught to pull into the intersection while waiting to make a left turn at a traffic light? I see people waiting through multiple green lights to make a left hand turn almost every day. It drives me crazy.
My daughter got taught by here driver ed. instructor not to enter the intersection until it was safe to turn left, but there is nothing in the vehicle code here that stipulates that. We live in a rural area, but I can foresee her re-assessing this misguided teaching someday, since there is a nearby city that has pretty bad congestion around rush hour.
 
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Ugh. If you have the right of way, TAKE IT.

Your tactic is dangerous because you aren't on the same page as the person next to you or behind you. You might be rear ended or cause congestion in heavy traffic situations where everyone starts to roll on green.

Nothing causes more confusion and aggravation than someone NOT taking their right of way.

Yes, totally agree. Another thing that I hate is when someone is trying to be "nice" and stop to let someone take a left turn, but there are two lanes next to them that have cars going. It's dangerous to be that "nice" person because a) you're holding up folks behind you b) you might cause the person turning left to hit a car that didn't stop like the "nice" guy. Just keep moving and the person turning left will take their left when the traffic is clear. No need to stop and make it a dangerous situation. (hopefully what I wrote made sense, it's always harder to describe traffic situations without diagrams).
 
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What you did was perfectly fine.
The white SUV's maneuver was prickish, but fairly common.
The Honda was an asshole trying to get his way via momentum and intimidation.
You called his bluff. Your reaction to block him was perfect.
I also like how you barely hesitated and continued around him.
Nice job.

:thumbsup: Agreed.

Although I will say that there is a chance the Honda thought it was a protected left turn. He/she may have saw the car in front of him go and just assumed it was a protected left.
 

allisolm

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In Tallahassee if you try to turn in front of the straight-through traffic when the light becomes green, you won't have to worry about beating out the straight-through traffic because you'll get creamed by the many cars that are still going through in the other direction after the light turned red.
 

bruceb

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The first car was okay. The second should have waited until it was clear.
 

slayer202

Lifer
Nov 27, 2005
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first car is ok if you're quick and you don't see the opposite side rushing off the line, but second car is super douchey. and in the video, they have the nerve to get angry! fuck those drivers
 

HamburgerBoy

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Apr 12, 2004
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I wouldn't do this myself, but I can understand it for the first driver, especially if there is no protected left for him, which could mean a lot of build-up if traffic gets too heavy. To me it's like when there's a long line of cars at the protected left, and the last one ends up technically running a red when straight traffic now has the light. If it happens quickly enough that I couldn't run into the other driver even if I tried, then I can't really complain.

The second driver should definitely be shot, though.
 

luv2liv

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+1 on the vid. I need to get a dashcam.

they are under $100 now. no excuse not to get one. it will save you from tons of headaches of arguing who's right or wrong.
even when my cousin was wrong of gently tapping someone from the back. the victim walked away perfectly fine but later tried to sue, pretending he was paralyzed till the vid was revealed.
i havent been in an accident yet. but a cop "thought" i skipped a stop sign. till he saw evidence of otherwise.
you never know with shady people.
 

pete6032

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0 accidents in 20 years of driving brother. The safety of this maneuver depends entirely on the circumstances. I don't do it if it's not safe.

Just because you haven't had an accident does not automatically mean you are a good driver. Driving your vehicle into the path of another vehicle that has the right of way is stupid driving.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
 

midnight growler

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Although I will say that there is a chance the Honda thought it was a protected left turn. He/she may have saw the car in front of him go and just assumed it was a protected left.

That's the problem with doing something 'not technically illegal.' People driving have a tremendous herd mentality, if one person does it, everyone else behind them will too.
 

Jeff7

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I can think of one or two intersections I go through each day where I'd even consider this:
The intersections are quite large and roomy, and there's a lot of loaded truck traffic that takes several seconds to get up to a slow walking speed, especially since one of the roads has the traffic starting on an incline.
Even so, traffic is generally not terribly bad here, so cutting ahead won't usually save you much time anyway and some people do seem to understand that.
But, I can usually tell when someone's planning to cut ahead: They edge the car slowly forward as the light's about to cycle, and the driver is visibly focused on the road and intended destination. I think the only time I've seen two cars cut is when there's a large semi on the other side.

Or at smaller intersections, you might have a good view of the opposing vehicle's driver, and be able to see that it's some dipshit with their head firmly up their ass along with their phone. Even then though, because you're up against someone like that, if a horn blows at them their first move may be to hit the gas before checking to see if they've got a clear path.
But, sometimes you've got two or more people in line at the intersection who have forgotten that driving a car does require periodic doses of attention. I've seen that a few times myself: Light changes green and I'll drive straight through and notice that the opposing traffic column still hasn't started moving, and no horns have been blown, despite me having had time to pass through the intersection completely. I guess no one bothered to look up at the road.

Throw the phone ahead of your car and run it over. I could stand that kind of littering if it means the person will be rid of the fucking phone while driving.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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I've done that a few times (turning left before the oncoming traffic takes the intersection), but I'll most certainly agree that it is not usually a very courteous thing to do, and can be incredibly unsafe.

I've only ever done it at intersections that can be said to "favor" it - if they aren't perfect perpendicular intersections, one can can provide a long enough delay between right-of-way traffic "owning" the intersection that favors a bold left dash.

But anyone who does this regularly needs to be super certain they are paying enough attention. For myself, doing it relatively rarely, it's a combination of favorable factors. The right intersection shape, no bicycles or pedestrians to worry about anywhere (you can't predict those assholes so it doesn't matter where they are and what you THINK they'll do, if they are remotely in the area of concern, it's a no-go, always), and sleepy oncoming traffic.

At such favorable intersections, I always give a moment to the oncoming traffic - if they are sleepy at the line, I take it. At busy intersections with long lines at the left-turns, I feel this is beneficial to those behind me, and if done appropriately and with a tremendous amount of caution, then it's not a bad thing at all.

I don't think I've ever done it at a perfect perpendicular intersection like in the OP - that's just rude unless it's a single lane and the other driver is distracted.

In an unrelated situation, I once missed the opportunity to turn left because the driver in front of me (can't remember if he/she turned left or drove forward, it was one of those shared lanes at a small intersection), decided to completely not pay one bit of attention to the intersection. The light turned green... then yellow and red, and the driver only started to creep forward when it was just turning red.

I was livid. My last intersection before I get home, so it barely delayed me in the end, but that is beyond the point. It's a matter of principal, and was just one more driver on the lengthy list that piss me off on a daily basis around these parts. People are just so ignorant and clueless as to how traffic should flow and how they can play their part in maintaining a smooth traffic pattern even when it is busy. I like to speed, sure, but I know when it is more appropriate to yield in various situations so as to ensure traffic continues to flow, and not have to brake to merge into a certain lane to exit from one highway or anything like that. One or two instances like that is what causes mile-long backups. I see it all the time, the same exact traffic density, sometimes it flows beautifully, sometimes it's a gridlock. Almost always it is because of someone's boneheaded decisions, trying to anticipate opportunities or doing the exact opposite, being so incredibly passive and scared their reactions or overreactions screw everyone else. Hell, half of the accidents out there on the highway could be said to be caused directly/indirectly by drivers who escaped without any damage done to their vehicle or license status.

Ugh, these topics always bring out my ranting diatribes. I just so enjoy driving, which can be strange when more often than not it seems like the whole world is out to put me into the worst mood possible.

But half of my commutes have actually been smooth as of late... even with a ton of construction literally everywhere, I think I might just have the right commute hours or something. But I still encounter the assholes and dare I say retards who ought to have their licenses revoked. I am still in favor of mandatory re-certification. If tech certs are no longer a lifetime cert, why can't we require a renewal process for licenses? It would be awfully inconvenient, I agree, but it feels like something that outshines any other example that is said to be a "necessary evil."
 

edro

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Apr 5, 2002
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Just because you haven't had an accident does not automatically mean you are a good driver. Driving your vehicle into the path of another vehicle that has the right of way is stupid driving.

Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk, while driving

:sneaky:
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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TBH I have made that left before, there are a cpl intersections here that aren't symmetrical and that left can be made before the cars going straight even get off the line as they have to stop further back then normal

but yea in general that's s dumb fuck idea
 

iamwiz82

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Jan 10, 2001
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Happens all the time in Detroit. I accelerate to give them a bit of adrenaline. Obviously never enough to make it unsafe however I do make the sure the tire squawk a bit as I leave the line.
 

Linflas

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Do you mean left-turners pull into the intersection while the light is green, sit there, then turn left once their light turns yellow or red? That's called "owning the intersection". My driving instructor, in a school driving course, taught me to do this.

Or do you mean left-turners leap out as the light turns green, and turn in front of oncoming traffic whose light has also turned green? That's illegal and very dangerous.

I saw a school bus do this exact thing on the way to work this morning.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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With all the crap people do in NOVA I'm surprised theres not a lot more fatal accidents every day.
Drivers here are crazy and a little evil.
 
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