Drone apparently crashes into plane headed to London's Heathrow

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CZroe

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That pilot is an idiot. They fire turkeys at jet engines to see if the engine is able to sustain itself and ensure that no metal pieces from the engine fly out during and after the explosion which could cause damage to the airplane. The engine will not produce thrust after the incident.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO1V8E6Qb9M









Already been tested. US Airways which crashed into Hudson with both engines being ingested with birds.

Are you comparing the mass of geese to the mass of consumer drones?
 

CZroe

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Or we can just you know fix this drone problem before it takes down an a380.



I don't know what "fix" entails but civil liability after the fact ain't it

For the whateverth time: STOP ADDRESSING ONLY DRONES. It's just as risky to fly any RC or free flight machine in an airplane's airspace. Legislate THAT if new legislations are required.
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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We control what we can. Because, intelligence and all that.

The Department of Fish and Game killed approx. 1400 Canadian Geese and coated any eggs with an oily substance that basically kills the gosling inside in the NY area surrounding La Guardia Airport in the aftermath of that crash.

Maybe we should do the same to drone owners who operate drones around airports or near flighpaths. :sneaky:
 

Ns1

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For the whateverth time: STOP ADDRESSING ONLY DRONES. It's just as risky to fly any RC or free flight machine in an airplane's airspace. Legislate THAT if new legislations are required.

No problem. Ban them all. Semantics means nothing.
 

CZroe

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Are you saying a jet engine can ingest a consumer drone no problem?

No. I'm saying that their masses are not comparable. One was being discussed as "significant mass" and the other as "insignificant mass" but, suddenly, for some unknown reason, we started comparing them as being both "insignificant." It's just a correction so we don't get more "points" based on this.
 
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CZroe

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No problem. Ban them all. Semantics means nothing.

Thank you. They are pointless distinctions, not semantics. Let's stop distinguishing and acknowledge that both carry the same risk.
 
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Are you saying a jet engine can ingest a consumer drone no problem?

Ingest one without any issues? Probably.

But that doesn't mean they're not going to do a full on damage inspection after an ingestion event. They're designed to be able to handle that sort of stuff. But that doesn't mean that FAA is just going to allow it to happen.

The Aero industry doesn't work like the tech industry, the Aero industry automatically starts with the worst case scenario and carefully works from there.
 
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JulesMaximus

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Ingest one without any issues? Probably.

But that doesn't mean they're not going to do a full on damage inspection after an ingestion event. They're designed to be able to handle that sort of stuff. But that doesn't mean that FAA is just going to allow it to happen.

The Aero industry doesn't work like the tech industry, the Aero industry automatically starts with the worst case scenario and carefully works from there.

:thumbsup: By the time something brings down a commercial airliner it is too late and they have failed. The goal is to prevent accidents like this, not just to react to them.
 

CZroe

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...The Aero industry doesn't work like the tech industry, the Aero industry automatically starts with the worst case scenario and carefully works from there.

I take it that you have read Michael Crichton's "Airframe" or you are an industry hobbyist/professional?
 

ElFenix

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For the whateverth time: STOP ADDRESSING ONLY DRONES. It's just as risky to fly any RC or free flight machine in an airplane's airspace. Legislate THAT if new legislations are required.
A) RC of all types have been included in all regulations for "drones" so far

B) for whatever reason, RC operators were never as dumbassholes as drone operators are proving to be.
 

Blackjack200

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We heard about Sully's A320 because both engines ingested multiple geese and the plane lost all power. That cannot happen with a single drone. The worst case is that the drone is ingested into one engine, causing a flameout. The jet will still be able to fly on the remaining engine (as the FAA requires for all commercial aircraft).

I agree that drones should not be allowed near airports, but the odds that a single drone could take down a commercial airliner seem pretty long to me.
 

Ns1

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We heard about Sully's A320 because both engines ingested multiple geese and the plane lost all power. That cannot happen with a single drone. The worst case is that the drone is ingested into one engine, causing a flameout. The jet will still be able to fly on the remaining engine (as the FAA requires for all commercial aircraft).

I agree that drones should not be allowed near airports, but the odds that a single drone could take down a commercial airliner seem pretty long to me.

And I should be okay with these odds why? At best it is a
major inconvenience as the plane is rerouted. At worse...I spill my glass of Moët.
 

SSSnail

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Back in my days of banging on F/A-18's with wrenches, before EVERY flight ops, the entire squadron would line up and walk the ENTIRE freaking tarmac, and pick up anything that's loose on the ground. We call these things FOD (the military has a way with acronyms, that stands for Foreign Object Damage), which, can cause slight or significant damage if they're ingested into an engine. FOD is serious business. Doesn't matter if it's a pebble, or a screw, or whole human. No one wants to deal with FOD. Any damage at all would ground a bird.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=FOD+damage
 

Red Squirrel

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Sucks. There's already enough restrictions on drones as it is, stuff like this is going to lead the government to make them outright illegal and ruin the hobby for everyone.

Seems to me it's common sense not to fly anything near an airport, or at very least be VERY cautious of any planes coming and bring your craft down when you see the plane in the distance coming towards the airport. You can see the plane coming from a decent distance, it's not like you don't have time to react. But idealy just don't do it near airports period. (not to mention it's illegal)
 

Jeff7

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Since this one was in the cockpit, it should be easier to confirm what it was.
I saw at least one other news report of a different incident where an alleged drone strike managed to leave feathers and bird flesh in the wing.




Virtually no one mounted cameras on RC planes and copters. I posit that the advent of the digital camera tech has brought this thing to a head. Everybody is "look at me" and has their head up their ass about anything else.
When you throw down $2000 on a fancy camera platform, you want to get some cool videos for your money. This leads to stupid stuff.
Just a reminder: Buster Keaton and others did some pretty dangerous stuff for the sake of movies.
The tendency has always been in us. Just like selfies: People would stand still for hours or maybe days to have a selfie painted by hand. Now the technology for both making video and selfies is beyond the point where most of the population can afford to partake.




Sucks. There's already enough restrictions on drones as it is, stuff like this is going to lead the government to make them outright illegal and ruin the hobby for everyone.

Seems to me it's common sense not to fly anything near an airport, or at very least be VERY cautious of any planes coming and bring your craft down when you see the plane in the distance coming towards the airport. You can see the plane coming from a decent distance, it's not like you don't have time to react. But idealy just don't do it near airports period. (not to mention it's illegal)
Maybe there'll be indoor arenas for flying, at least where land is cheap.
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