Drove a Chevy Cruze this weekend

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SparkyJJO

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<shrug> I don't think so. I owned (well, kinda still do, in pieces) a 98. Loved that car, but it is no more now I want another one.

I've always been a Camaro guy over the mustang. I'd take a 5th gen Camaro over a mustang any day.

But, that's why there are both, to please both types, right?
 

CraigRT

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Eh, I've always had it against Ford, and don't know why. Only car I've ever liked is the Stang. I'm not sure why. But I'd easily take a Chevy truck without driving a Ford one if I had the chance. Cars, I don't care as I'm not a car person..but a Stang over a Camaro.

I've always gotten the vibe from you that you hate GM as a whole, as I don't see you rail against anyone like you do them.

You and I can rejoice as Ford haters then.. I don't like the brand either.
It's not that all their cars are bad, it's just how I was raised and a few dealer experiences with Ford that just makes me stay away by default.

I think the new Fusion is one of the best looking cars that the big 3 as a whole makes (I did say looks, not sure about mechanical) but Id still take a Japanese sedan over any American sedan in that segment either way.
 

ElFenix

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New Corolla isn't going to be any time soon. It just launched in Jan 2008. Will see a slight redo, but it's not going to be a full model change.

that model launched in japan in late 2006. it'll be 5 years old at the end of 2011, and i bet a new one launches in japan at that time. question is if they do a worldwide launch or if they delay the US introduction by 2 years.
 

Sukhoi

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that model launched in japan in late 2006. it'll be 5 years old at the end of 2011, and i bet a new one launches in japan at that time. question is if they do a worldwide launch or if they delay the US introduction by 2 years.

Unless the US model is selling incredibly badly, they will wait. Changing models in a factory is far more expensive than you could ever think. And that's with the flexible TPS.
 

arcenite

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I do believe a 130bhp turbocharged 1.4 liter being considered strong down low is the beginning of the end of America.
 

Vette73

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I do believe a 130bhp turbocharged 1.4 liter being considered strong down low is the beginning of the end of America.


I am guessing you know little of turbos and how their torque curve is?

The cruze has 148lb/ft of torque from 1850rpm to 4900rpm.


"The Ecotec 1.4L turbo delivers 138 horsepower (103 kW) and 148 lb.-ft. of torque (200 Nm) between 1,850 rpm and 4,900 rpm. The wide rpm range for the maximum torque – a specific trait of turbocharged engines – helps the engine deliver a better driving experience and performance. "
 

Rezist

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I want to drive a Cruze just to feel what the engine is like. Will be alot better then the typical N/A sub 2L 4-bangers on the road.
 

child of wonder

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The new Ford Focus will have a 160hp 2.0L engine that will get 40mpg and can use E85.

Why would anyone buy a Cruze?
 

Bignate603

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The new Ford Focus will have a 160hp 2.0L engine that will get 40mpg and can use E85.

Why would anyone buy a Cruze?

Focus looks like it will be more aggresively styled and probably will have more sporty suspension. The Cruze is more conservatively styled and sounds like it has a more moderate suspension. They'll appeal to different markets.
 

Vette73

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The new Ford Focus will have a 160hp 2.0L engine that will get 40mpg and can use E85.

Why would anyone buy a Cruze?


Its called torque.

Does the Focus have 148lb/ft of torque from 1850rpm to 4900rpm.
HP is one of the last things I look for in a small car.
 

child of wonder

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Its called torque.

Does the Focus have 148lb/ft of torque from 1850rpm to 4900rpm.
HP is one of the last things I look for in a small car.

Focus has 146lb/ft of torque. No clue on the RPM range.

However, if you want the turbo charged engine you'll be starting out at about $18,100 MSRP.

http://www.chevrolet.com/vehicles/2011/cruze/build.do

The new Focus comes standard with a 2.0L 160hp engine that gets much better gas mileage but starts at $17,300 MSRP for an AT.
 

Vette73

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Focus has 146lb/ft of torque. No clue on the RPM range.

However, if you want the turbo charged engine you'll be starting out at about $18,100 MSRP.

http://www.chevrolet.com/vehicles/2011/cruze/build.do

The new Focus comes standard with a 2.0L 160hp engine that gets much better gas mileage but starts at $17,300 MSRP for an AT.


The 2012 Focus hits its torque at 4450rpm, the Cruze hits it at under 2000rpm and holds it to almost 5000rpms. So the Cruze should have better pull.

Alsp not sure about the price as the BASE model 2012 Focus is manual so to add Auto trans would put it close in price to the Cruze but with less options. Apples to apples the cruze should be cheaper.
 

child of wonder

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The 2012 Focus hits its torque at 4450rpm, the Cruze hits it at under 2000rpm and holds it to almost 5000rpms. So the Cruze should have better pull.

Alsp not sure about the price as the BASE model 2012 Focus is manual so to add Auto trans would put it close in price to the Cruze but with less options. Apples to apples the cruze should be cheaper.

The price I quoted was the base Focus with an AT.

I'm sure 0-30 the Cruze with a turbo would have an edge over the base Focus, but would quickly lose steam as the HP differential comes into play.
 

LTC8K6

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Why would anyone here at ATG suggest getting an auto over a manual though?
 

Excelsior

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The price I quoted was the base Focus with an AT.

I'm sure 0-30 the Cruze with a turbo would have an edge over the base Focus, but would quickly lose steam as the HP differential comes into play.

Are folks actually bench racing the Cruze and Focus here? Seriously?
 

Vette73

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Are folks actually bench racing the Cruze and Focus here? Seriously?


Coming soon to a Cruze/Focus...



But right now I think the Focus has a better chance getting a better 0-60 then the cruze but for around town driving I think the cruze will be faster at normal driving.
From what I have seen the Cruze seems more lux while the 2012 focus seems more sporty looking.

competition is good for everyone.
 

punjabiplaya

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26k???

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2010/11/il-track-tested-2011-chevrolet-cruze-ltz.html

It wasn't going to take a lot for the all new 2011 Chevrolet Cruze to dethrone the Chevy Cobalt, and the word "Cavalier" is something GM probably hopes never to hear again. With the way the automotive industry is these days, with the engineering, care and dedication involved, the Cruze HAD to be a leap ahead of the car it replaced.

Beating them, however, was never the goal. The 2011 Chevy Cruze had to be better everything. Everything. From America, from Japan, from Korea, from the moon...everything in this class had to be outshone by the new small Chevy with the big angry face. This means it needed a quality interior (this car has leather, heated seats, nav, sat radio) cutting edge looks ( see above), and excellent fuel economy. Handling the business on that end is a 1.4-liter turbocharged inline four that makes 138 horsepower, and 148 pound-feet of torque at only 1,850 rpm.

Yep, a 1.4-liter motor in a modern GM car made for the U.S. It's a new world. This engine in the 2011 Cruze with a six-speed automatic (as we've got here) returns 24 mpg city, 36 highway and 28 combined according to the EPA.

But this is Inside Line, not SubcompactAdvisor, so we wanted to know what that turbocharged 1.4-liter would do on the track. What would the Cruze do in the quarter-mile? Zero to 60?



Vehicle: 2011 Chevrolet Cruze LTZ
Odometer: 1,482
Date: 11/09/10
Driver: Chris Walton
Price: $26,085


Specifications:
Drive Type: Front-wheel drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed automatic
Engine Type: Turbocharged, port-injected, inline-4 with variable intake and exhaust-valve timing
Displacement (cc/cu-in): 1,364 / 83.2
Redline (rpm): 6,500
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 138 @ 4,900
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 148 @ 1,850
Brake Type (front): 11.8-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding caliper
Brake Type (rear): 11.5-inch ventilated disc with single-piston sliding caliper
Steering System: Electric-assist rack-and-pinion power steering
Suspension Type (front): Independent, MacPherson struts, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Torsion beam, control arm
Tire Size (front): P225/45R 18 91W M+S
Tire Size (rear): P225/45R 18 91W M+S
Tire Brand: Michelin
Tire Model: Pilot HX MXM4
Tire Type: All-season
As tested Curb Weight (lb): 3,236 (60.6&#37; front)


Test Results:

0-30 (sec): 3.3
0-45 (sec): 6.1
0-60 (sec): 9.6
0-75 (sec): 14.9
1/4-Mile (sec @ mph): 17.1 @ 80.4
0-60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 9.3

30-0 (ft): 31
60-0 (ft): 122

Slalom (mph): 66.6
Skid Pad Lateral acceleration (g): 0.83

Db @ Idle: 35.3
Db @ Full Throttle: 67.4
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 67.1


Acceleration Comments: Rewards pedal overlap, yet it still cannot scratch the tires with traction control off. Acceleration is characterized by surging turbo and wonky torque converter behavior. There are multiple dead spots on the way to the finish line. Upshifts are pretty lazy and gear spacing is fine (3rd is taller than the rest, though). Absolutely punishing rev limiter that produces shockingly harsh driveline lash. Also, manual shifting is too slow to be of any use for accel runs.

Braking Comments: Some squirm and a light rear end with good fade resistance. Pedal effort is good with aggressive jump-in that became more so with heat in the system.

Handling Comments: Surprising grip and poise that's muddied only a little by spring like steering that offers good build-up but little feel. With ESC on, the throttle breathes off just as the rear gets light and begins to rotate. Light but precise steering, narrow car with plenty of grip and a propensity to rotate predictably off throttle all add up to a spirited and exhilarating slalom. Classic well-sorted FWD behavior like a Mazda 3 and far more capable than a Fiesta or Mazda 2 with ESC off. Well sorted ESC matches my best efforts.
 

LTC8K6

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26k is with EVERY option in the book.

Just about every line has a hugh jump from base to top of the line. Most fall in the low to mid level price for most. But car companies would love for more to buy the high end cars as the markup(profit) is much better.

And still $7.5K cheaper than a base Volt...
 

Vette73

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And still $7.5K cheaper than a base Volt...


The Cruze is not new tech, just current tech put together very well.

Hell toyota had to sell the Prius at half its cost to build just to get it off the ground. many forget the prius cost around 17k when it came out but cost about 32k to build.
So the Volt is not doing as badly as Toyota and the orignal prius in terms of cost.
 
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