Drug test invasion of privacy?

StageLeft

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It does kinda suck. If I were you I would stop smoking for a long time before looking for a job, then just resume once you start. I have some friends who stopped a few months before they were trying to get a job just in case. I don't really like weed myself - booze is better for me - but rejecting a capable candidate because of smoking a couple times a month is stupid...I guess thats a companies choice though, although I wonder if drug testing really should be?
 

Chef0083

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It's pretty strange but most people view weed as a gateway drug that will lead to something much much worse. I don't think it is but since it's illegal then it's not an invasion of privacy to screen aplicants for it and other drugs.
 

Eli

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Most certainly is.. They suck. I had to quit smoking to get a job, and then the job I got didn't test! *grumble* .. Oh well, I decided to stay clean, just because it's fine with me, and I have better things to spend my money on.


It's a freakin joke.. We're all a victm of the drug war, and we're not even doing anything wrong..

They can't stop people from smoking a plant..

Just imagine the uproar if they tried to make cigarettes illegal? Hahah...


Anyway.. There's a million supposed ways to get clean.. The easiest(or hardest, dependig on your point of view) is just to quit for a couple weeks. That's all it takes, unless you've got a lot of bodyfat, nad have been smoking heavily for some time.

I know someone that has to take a test for their Parole, and they quit 7-10 days before the test, and all has been fine, for the last couple years they've had to do it.. They're thin as hell though.
 

StageLeft

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OK if I was taking parole tests 7-10 days would not cut it - well clearly it has but they must be real borderline. I've heard anywhere from 30 days to 3 months to clean the system out. Now I've heard 7-10 days...I guess it depends on the person. I would give it a good month just to be safe though and I hear that perhaps cranberry juice or lots of fluids may help...not sure, but on the net you could find out more accurately how long you need to go off it to pass.
 

vi edit

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I could tell you the simple solution, but I think you already know that one.

Besides that - it is no invasion of privacy. You are applying to a company that has a set of standards that you must make before you are employed by THEM.

Weed is illegal and there is nothing illegal about testing for an illegal substance provided that you are not singled out for it. If it is mandatory for all applicants, then you're going to have to make a choice - quit smoking for about a month and hope it's out of your system, or look for a place that doesn't test.

The drug test is just protecting both the company and you.
 

StageLeft

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Me neither I know several people who smoke WAAAAY too much and it has not been a gateway for any of them. I have smoken on ocassion, don't much care for the feeling (Just prefer a buzz thats all). Every single friend of mine has tried weed and I know dozens more who have done it...and I only know of a tiny handful who have tried anything harder, and its not something they do often. I only know of a single person I've run across in my life who has done cocaine and the guy is a moron anyway.
 

Sephiroth_IX

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Yeah i never said anything about the drug test itself. It is perfectly fair. If you dont like their rules, dont play their game.
 

Eli

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I completely disagree, Seph. In Canada, they don't do drug tests just at random like they do in the states, because it's against their constitution. It's a blatant invasion of privacy. Just like at the job I'm at now, they don't give a rat's ass what you do when you're not at work. That's the way it should be. If you're stoned at work, though, don't expect to keep your job very long. Again, that's the way it should be. Even if I did still smoke, I wouldn't ever go to work that way. Even though it would make the day easier, make me get into my work more, and certainly wouldn't hinder my performance, but company's rule are company's rules.


Then we get into another issue, why in god's name is it against the law in the first place? There is no logical reason, not one.

It completely depends on a number of things.. Your bodyfat, your metabolism, how often you smoke, the quality of stuff you smoke..

The person I know that has to take the test for their parole is a heavy smoker, Heh.. But they're really thin.. But yeah, it totally depends on the person. They've been fine quitting for 7-10 days before the test for the last couple of years.

The general consensus is 3-30 days. I don't think it would be possible for it to last 3 months, unless you were a really heavy person, who had been smoking for many years, and were currently losing weight(burning your THC-laden fat).

There are a number of ways to help it along. The best way is to increase your metabolism. Sweat, sweat, sweat. The only two ways you can eliminate it from your system is through urine and sweat. Work out as much as possible, keeping your metabolism high. Then a few days before the test, stop working out, and eat lots of heavy, fatty foods. Don't eat skimpy, that can lower your metabolism by ~10%, and eating generously can increase it by 10%. Eating lots of fat-laden foods will help reduce the number of THC metabolites in your urine, because you will be burning clean calories.

Remember, it's the THC-metabolite they test for, not THC itself.

Don't bother to drown yourself with water days before the test, it doesen't do anything. It doesen't hurt to dilute your urine a little before the test, but don't overdo it, because they can tell if you have a lot of fluids in your system, and they may reject the test.


I think the stuff about it being a gateway drug is nonsense, stuff made up by the drug-war people. It's the person's choice whether they go onto other drugs, not marijuana's. I made up my mind long before I started smoking that I would never even try anything you inject, snort, or anything that's not green that you smoke(That includes tobacco and brown weed )


Elemental- Even if it was, the substances in them only stay in your body for a number of hours. That's the problem with THC, It's one of the hardest things to clean out of your system, because it's fat-soluble...

 

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Where i work,one of the big 3,they can't test people at random and if they do they have to test everyone.220,000 people. I don't think taking a piss test to get a job is wrong.I had to do that.But I do think taking a hair sample,for a drug test is wrong.It allows them to go to far back in your history and also lets them see more than just the drugs they're testing for.
The hair sample for a drug test,to me,is a total invasion of privacy.
 

DABANSHEE

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What's being illegal got to do with the price of eggs.

The fact is, as long as you don't turn up to work stoned its none of your boss's business if you smoke dope out side work hours.

Just as its none of your boss's business if you drink, as long as you don't turn up to work drunk.


Just make sure you keep a liitle jar of clean urine in the fridge & take that with you to the unterveiw, its not as if they are going to actually watch you while you are peeing. You can collect some from yourself if you havent had any pot for about 2 weeks, or any analgesics, diazapams, speed, etc for 3 days. If not just get some mate who's a bit of a straithead to pee in the bottle & then take his pee in.

If you do get cought unwares with a random drug test & you are not prepared & you do have give a genuine urine, well on the form you have to fill in asking what medications you have taken in the last 3 days, just write down you had eaten a hemp seed roll for lunch yesturday (they don't get you stoned, but have been known to give false positives), if you have been using heroin then just write down on the form that you took a headache tablet containing codeine the day before (codeine & heroine give the same result in urine tests).
 

eia430

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Oh quit your griping, you knew full well what you were giving up when you made the choice to toke. You played in the sandbox so now you get to pay the piper. Face your decisions like a man.
 

eia430

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Debanchee, All this lying and cheating and all sorts of dishonesty to hide what you should not be doing in the first place. Are you sure pot is harmless? I mean it already has turned you into a untrustworthy liar, are you SURE it's harmless?

One of the main reasons for drug screening is not just for it's primary effects (the imediate high). But also for it's secondary effects, turning otherwise honest trustworthy people into high risk embezelers or just general untrustworthy liars as you have just proven. Justify it in your own mind all you want, you'll still have to lie where a non user will not need to. What's the harm in simply just not using?
 

Tiranee

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Most companies unlike State and Federal don't do RANDOM tests, just at the beginning of employement.
 

Stifko

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what about that Urine Luck stuff that Tommy Chong hawks on the back pages of High Times?
NE1 have success with that?
 

DABANSHEE

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"Debanchee, All this lying and cheating and all sorts of dishonesty to hide what you should not be doing in the first place."

So eia430, are you saying its wrong to smoke pot or take heroin because corrupt politicians make it illegal, but its not wrong to smoke cigarettes or drink whisky because corrupt politicians say its ok?

Do you like being a stooge of the govt?
 

bigvince

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dabanhsee,

right on man!!! just because something has been made illigal doesn't mean that it's illigality is just. also if your going to mask THC in urine it is best to get the very latest additive as it is unlikely that they would be screening for it. if you realy want to cheat a pee test you should look up hightimes magazine on the web. they have a wealth of info on the subject. as for a supervised pee test, there is a product on the market now called the URINATOR it is a prostetic penis with heated storage for the clean PEE pEE, it even comes in diffrent colors...
 

Wangel

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Just remember that marajauna takes about 30 days to get fully out of your system. We turned down lots of potential employees because they failed their drug test. Watch out for over the counter drugs, because many can set off the drug test including asthma medicine.
 
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