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IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Since you are clearly begging us to ask, I'll just come out and ask "So how do we cheat Mr. SLiM?

You can google it and there will be literally dozens of products on the market. Fool proof though is the unrinator or whizzinator as I said above.
 

Cogman

Lifer
Sep 19, 2000
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The insurance companies and the drug testing industry are in cahoots yes of course. Who do you think paid for all the lobbying to put this in place at almost every single medium and large public and private enterprise in the country? Is it a conspiracy? No .....its just good business sense.
Ah, see, last time I remember this discussion, it was something about business owners being in cahoots with the urine companies. Glad to see you are taking a more realistic approach (Yeah, it is completely possible and maybe even likely that the insurance companies are in league with the urine companies).

I just don't see what the big deal is. You are employed by the company, they had to inform you that they where going to test your urine, where is the lost right? Oh nosss, less pot smoking! The Horror!
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
57,891
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You are employed by the company, they had to inform you that they where going to test your urine, where is the lost right? Oh nosss, less pot smoking! The Horror!

Try these substitutions, and see what you think...

Less AT posting!
Less Fox news watching!
Less video game playing!
Less alcohol drinking!

These are all as valid as your example....
 

Heller

Diamond Member
Jul 10, 2006
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god i wish you guys would take the pot a little less seriously , for real its harmless
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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I just don't see what the big deal is. You are employed by the company, they had to inform you that they where going to test your urine, where is the lost right? Oh nosss, less pot smoking! The Horror!

Have a fun time trying to explain why your urine contains one of the many legal amphetamines. Sudafed is a hydroxylated amphetamine.
 

crownjules

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2005
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Have a fun time trying to explain why your urine contains one of the many legal amphetamines. Sudafed is a hydroxylated amphetamine.

How about poppy seeds, commonly in bagels, muffins, and breads, making you test positive for opiates.
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
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How about poppy seeds, commonly in bagels, muffins, and breads, making you test positive for opiates.

Yeah but if you think poppy seed muffins are any good then you're probably on drugs. I support this one 100% :thumbsup:
 

2Xtreme21

Diamond Member
Jun 13, 2004
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god i wish you guys would take the pot a little less seriously , for real its harmless

I don't think anyone's saying it's not. Though, you and stoners working at McDonalds like you, are what gives weed a bad rep. Get off your lazy ass, do what needs to be done, and use recreational substances responsibly like a good portion of the population does.
 

Cogman

Lifer
Sep 19, 2000
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Try these substitutions, and see what you think...

Less AT posting!
Less Fox news watching!
Less video game playing!
Less alcohol drinking!

These are all as valid as your example....
And, your point being? I could do with less of all of those things. Pot/alcohol (and potentially Fox news) are the only ones on the list that put a person in an altered mental state which can/does do some damage for that person/the people around them.

But whatever, arguing with pot heads is like arguing with Jehovah's witnesses. They can't see anything negative about their actions/beliefs, and get riled up when non-Jehovah's witnesses/pot heads dare to question them.
 

40Hands

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Jun 29, 2004
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I'd also go with cheating the test. What you do on your own time is your own business. As long as you're doing a satisfactory job, fuck those stupid ass tests. What good really comes from them? The smart people cheat the test and the others lose their jobs. Either way the insurance and testing companies make a bunch of $. Ta da!

Legalize it.
 
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IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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Ah, see, last time I remember this discussion, it was something about business owners being in cahoots with the urine companies. Glad to see you are taking a more realistic approach (Yeah, it is completely possible and maybe even likely that the insurance companies are in league with the urine companies).

I just don't see what the big deal is. You are employed by the company, they had to inform you that they where going to test your urine, where is the lost right? Oh nosss, less pot smoking! The Horror!

Your are correct. They have the right to test me and I have the right to cheat.
 

2Xtreme21

Diamond Member
Jun 13, 2004
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And, your point being? I could do with less of all of those things. Pot/alcohol (and potentially Fox news) are the only ones on the list that put a person in an altered mental state which can/does do some damage for that person/the people around them.

But whatever, arguing with pot heads is like arguing with Jehovah's witnesses. They can't see anything negative about their actions/beliefs, and get riled up when non-Jehovah's witnesses/pot heads dare to question them.

It's not so much that! I smoke from time to time, but if I worked for a company that I *KNEW* drug tested, I... *gasp*... WOULDN'T SMOKE! Yes, the legality of weed is debatable, but it's currently illegal. And if I signed a contract stating I would be drug-free while working there, and I breach it somehow, I deserve to be let go.

It's the same thing as if in the contract it stated I couldn't work for a competitor and they found out I was. There are certain concessions that must be made in life if you want to eventually get out of your mommy's basement.
 

Cogman

Lifer
Sep 19, 2000
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Have a fun time trying to explain why your urine contains one of the many legal amphetamines. Sudafed is a hydroxylated amphetamine.
"are you taking any medications right now"
"Sudafed"

Wow, that was hard to explain. No wait, I shouldn't answer questions like that, stick it to the Man yall!
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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And, your point being? I could do with less of all of those things. Pot/alcohol (and potentially Fox news) are the only ones on the list that put a person in an altered mental state which can/does do some damage for that person/the people around them.

But whatever, arguing with pot heads is like arguing with Jehovah's witnesses. They can't see anything negative about their actions/beliefs, and get riled up when non-Jehovah's witnesses/pot heads dare to question them.

So if you have a medical lisc. for pot you shouldn't be allowed to work because you won't pass a drug test? Do employers screen for thousands of super hardcore narcotic variations handed out via perscription? No. So again what is the utility of the test? It really screens for retards or illegal narcotic junkies. I would think an interview would suffice there.
 

SphinxnihpS

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2005
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just don't get caught, else you are fired

I actually, knew someone who was fired because her urine was "too" clean. She did the herbal flush method.

No you didn't. Their urine was too dilute. There is no "flushing" MJ out of you. It's fat, not water soluble, so the metabolites store in your fat cells and are released very slowly. The test is actually for the byproducts of THC. There is no possible way except time to get it out of you. Every flush product is absolute garbage. The only ingredients that make those work are water (to dilute the urine) and vitamin B2 or B12 (to make the dilute urine yellow). The problem is that most lab administered tests also test for creatinine. The level of creatinine in normal urine is known. Diluted urine has diluted creatinine levels, so they know when you are "flushing" (lol). They also test for masking agents, such as nitrites. Any commercial masking agent type products is known and tested for.

The tests do not come back positive unless a certain threshold is achieved; usually 20-100 nanograms/milliliter. This is why dilution works as far as the drug metabolites themselves go; it makes the level of THC metabolites in the urine less than the threshold for a positive.

If they suspect dilution, they do one of two things, order a second test, or run the sample through an INFALLIBLE test, which not only can not be beaten (with a legit sample), it can discover the most minute amounts of anything in your urine, a mass spectrometer gas analyzer test. Any positive "stick" test is also verified using one of these machines, so the IcebergSlim's comments about how flawed these tests are are plain wrong. The cheap stick tests are flawed, but the verification process is infallible. Some employers, because of the sensitivity of the work, order MS/GA tests only. The only way to beat this test is with a false sample (someone else's pee). I believe someone here covered this method of cheating.

Usually, for a lvl 70 smoker, it takes 2-6 weeks for the metabolites in urine to fall below the threshold for the stick test. It can take over a year for everything to to be completely out of the system. It all depends on the person's metabolism, i.e. don't be a big fat chronic dope smoker.

Ironically, all the other drugs they test for flush out of your system in under a week, most in hours. All of the so-called hard drugs are gone quickly without a trace. ...except in your hair.

As far a civil liberties aspect, employer drug testing is a highly invasive, guilty until proven innocent affair. It's fucking sick, and should be banned. Unfortunately, drugs have been insanely demonized by the government and special interest groups, and most people are willing to go along with throwing away their rights.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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"are you taking any medications right now"
"Sudafed"

Wow, that was hard to explain. No wait, I shouldn't answer questions like that, stick it to the Man yall!

Why is your medical records/history your employers business? *I can see if certain cases maybe....
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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But whatever, arguing with pot heads is like arguing with Jehovah's witnesses. They can't see anything negative about their actions/beliefs, and get riled up when non-Jehovah's witnesses/pot heads dare to question them.

You're confused, I don't smoke weed. I do support peoples choice to do as they please, and I'm against the encroachment of personal liberties by employers. They can go fuck themselves. I'm payed to come in and do a job. If I perform that single role acceptably, that's as far as the employer's concern goes. They can stay the fuck out of my personal life.
 

Renob

Diamond Member
Jun 18, 2000
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To the OP good luck and to those tools who dont care fuck them and their self righteous views.
 

crownjules

Diamond Member
Jul 7, 2005
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But whatever, arguing with pot heads is like arguing with Jehovah's witnesses. They can't see anything negative about their actions/beliefs, and get riled up when non-Jehovah's witnesses/pot heads dare to question them.

Some maybe fight because they just want their own. Others see the blatant hypocrisy in the laws of what drugs are legal (and mind altering) and what drugs are illegal. Others see the enforcement of these laws as a huge money sink where the end result is futilely impossible to achieve and causes many other problems. And finally, when it comes to the drug-testing thing there's the whole invasion of privacy.
 

IceBergSLiM

Lifer
Jul 11, 2000
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No you didn't. Their urine was too dilute. There is no "flushing" MJ out of you. It's fat, not water soluble, so the metabolites store in your fat cells and are released very slowly. The test is actually for the byproducts of THC. There is no possible way except time to get it out of you. Every flush product is absolute garbage. The only ingredients that make those work are water (to dilute the urine) and vitamin B2 or B12 (to make the dilute urine yellow). The problem is that most lab administered tests also test for creatinine. The level of creatinine in normal urine is known. Diluted urine has diluted creatinine levels, so they know when you are "flushing" (lol). They also test for masking agents, such as nitrites. Any commercial masking agent type products is known and tested for.

The tests do not come back positive unless a certain threshold is achieved; usually 20-100 nanograms/milliliter. This is why dilution works as far as the drug metabolites themselves go; it makes the level of THC metabolites in the urine less than the threshold for a positive.

If they suspect dilution, they do one of two things, order a second test, or run the sample through an INFALLIBLE test, which not only can not be beaten (with a legit sample), it can discover the most minute amounts of anything in your urine, a mass spectrometer gas analyzer test. Any positive "stick" test is also verified using one of these machines, so the IcebergSlim's comments about how flawed these tests are are plain wrong. The cheap stick tests are flawed, but the verification process is infallible. Some employers, because of the sensitivity of the work, order MS/GA tests only. The only way to beat this test is with a false sample (someone else's pee). I believe someone here covered this method of cheating.

Usually, for a lvl 70 smoker, it takes 2-6 weeks for the metabolites in urine to fall below the threshold for the stick test. It can take over a year for everything to to be completely out of the system. It all depends on the person's metabolism, i.e. don't be a big fat chronic dope smoker.

Ironically, all the other drugs they test for flush out of your system in under a week, most in hours. All of the so-called hard drugs are gone quickly without a trace. ...except in your hair.

As far a civil liberties aspect, employer drug testing is a highly invasive, guilty until proven innocent affair. It's fucking sick, and should be banned. Unfortunately, drugs have been insanely demonized by the government and special interest groups, and most people are willing to go along with throwing away their rights.

I agree with your points though the average 9-5er urine sample is never going to make it to a mass spectrometer gas analyzer test. Its going to be pass/fail.
 

KeithTalent

Elite Member | Administrator | No Lifer
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Nov 30, 2005
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You should move up here Heller, no drug testing in most normal person jobs.

I still find it crazy there is drug testring for even the most mundane jobs in the US. Seems like an invasion of privacy to me and it's not like they test for alcoholism, or any other factors that may impact your work.

KT
 

SphinxnihpS

Diamond Member
Feb 17, 2005
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You can google it and there will be literally dozens of products on the market. Fool proof though is the unrinator or whizzinator as I said above.

There is a thermometer right on every single sample cup. The urine has to be in the 95-98 degree range. Hardly fool proof.
 
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