Drug test today at one

[TheVrolok]

Smoking anything is not the best idea.

However, no i was not high.

My brother smoked a lot of pot when I was growing up and I was very against it (and everything really, I was stuck up). My senior year I did a research paper on it, and everything I found out turned my opinion on it. Since then, I've been very pro legalization since I realized is relatively harmless.

Eating weed is absolutely harmless. And the stuff that makes you high, THC, your brain actually has receptors for it. So yea, your body welcomes it (that's why you feel so good when you receive it into your system), like oxygen, and water. Google it. Who'da thunk right?

http://www.marijuana.com/science/117169-why-do-we-have-thc-receptors-our-brains.html

As you said, smoking anything is not the best idea, so clearly your body does not welcome it. In addition, the cannabinoid receptors in the brain are not there for the purpose of THC binding from the inhalation of pot. There are numerous ENDOcannabinoids that serve as the standard ligands. Hell, alpha-bungarotoxin binds to ACh receptors and will kill you. Just because an exogenous substance CAN bind to normal body receptors doesn't mean it's supposed to. That is just a single instance of the myriad of substances that bind to AC receptors causing death. Comparing the intake of THC to oxygen and water is just ignorant. I'm sure your research paper did it's job, but it clearly wasn't much of a scientific paper.


THAT SAID, much of the reason there is very limited research (both for and against pot) is because IT IS illegal in many places. I personally wish it WERE legal so that more research could be done. I've read just as many positive studies on pot as I have negative. I would love to see more thorough risk/benefit papers written as I think there may quite a few viable uses for it.


Oh, and I tend not to use Google for my research, but thanks for the suggestion. Sorry, I had to edit this as I noticed that your source of information was a pro-pot website's forum. ... yeah.

And wait, in your most recent post did you just say that it's MORE likely that cannabinoid receptors exist not for endogenous cannabinoid signalling but for consumption of pot? Please tell me you're not in any kind of scientific field.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Some of use don't like the idea of giving up our personal freedoms for a job just because some assholes want more money. You implying someone is a "pot head" for failing a drug test just shows your ignorance. As long as it hurts no one else, what I do on my own time is my business. If I'm not doing my job well enough, or at all, then we have a situation.

Plain and simple.

How does it show my ignorance? He fails a drug test for THC and he's not a pothead? What is he? Are you high?

 

[Nitemare]

No you didn't. Their urine was too dilute. There is no "flushing" MJ out of you. It's fat, not water soluble, so the metabolites store in your fat cells and are released very slowly. The test is actually for the byproducts of THC. There is no possible way except time to get it out of you. Every flush product is absolute garbage. The only ingredients that make those work are water (to dilute the urine) and vitamin B2 or B12 (to make the dilute urine yellow). The problem is that most lab administered tests also test for creatinine. The level of creatinine in normal urine is known. Diluted urine has diluted creatinine levels, so they know when you are "flushing" (lol). They also test for masking agents, such as nitrites. Any commercial masking agent type products is known and tested for.

The tests do not come back positive unless a certain threshold is achieved; usually 20-100 nanograms/milliliter. This is why dilution works as far as the drug metabolites themselves go; it makes the level of THC metabolites in the urine less than the threshold for a positive.

If they suspect dilution, they do one of two things, order a second test, or run the sample through an INFALLIBLE test, which not only can not be beaten (with a legit sample), it can discover the most minute amounts of anything in your urine, a mass spectrometer gas analyzer test. Any positive "stick" test is also verified using one of these machines, so the IcebergSlim's comments about how flawed these tests are are plain wrong. The cheap stick tests are flawed, but the verification process is infallible. Some employers, because of the sensitivity of the work, order MS/GA tests only. The only way to beat this test is with a false sample (someone else's pee). I believe someone here covered this method of cheating.

Usually, for a lvl 70 smoker, it takes 2-6 weeks for the metabolites in urine to fall below the threshold for the stick test. It can take over a year for everything to to be completely out of the system. It all depends on the person's metabolism, i.e. don't be a big fat chronic dope smoker.

Ironically, all the other drugs they test for flush out of your system in under a week, most in hours. All of the so-called hard drugs are gone quickly without a trace. ...except in your hair.

As far a civil liberties aspect, employer drug testing is a highly invasive, guilty until proven innocent affair. It's fucking sick, and should be banned. Unfortunately, drugs have been insanely demonized by the government and special interest groups, and most people are willing to go along with throwing away their rights.

This occurred over 10 years ago, so I'm pretty sure the levels of testing weren't as thorough then as they are now

 

[TheVrolok]

How does it show my ignorance? He fails a drug test for THC and he's not a pothead? What is he? Are you high?

I think he's simply arguing degree. "Pothead" has a negative connotation and regards someone who smokes all the time and is unproductive because of it. Simply smoking occasionally (and therefore getting a positive result on the test) does not mean that the individuals entire life revolves around getting high. I know plenty of people who smoked pot all through high school, college, and still do in their adult lives and they're perfectly normal and productive members of society.

 

[KeithTalent]

I think he's simply arguing degree. "Pothead" has a negative connotation and regards someone who smokes all the time and is unproductive because of it. Simply smoking occasionally (and therefore getting a positive result on the test) does not mean that the individuals entire life revolves around getting high. I know plenty of people who smoked pot all through high school, college, and still do in their adult lives and they're perfectly normal and productive members of society.

Yes, it's like calling someone that has a beer or two a couple of nights a week a "drunk".

KT

 

[40Hands]

You get in a car high and drive then it is my business.

This has nothing to do with anything I said and is a whole other topic. Try again.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

Yes, it's like calling someone that has a beer or two a couple of nights a week a "drunk".

KT

Potaholic more appropriate?

 

[lxskllr]

Potaholic more appropriate?

Not really.

 

[RapidSnail]

Does the wavy single bond represent unspecified chirality/stereochemistry; perhaps as in a racemic mixture of methamphetamine?

 

[cheezy321]

tyler811: You have contributed nothing logical to this thread. Please stop posting.

 

[ShawnD1]

Does the wavy single bond represent unspecified chirality/stereochemistry; perhaps as in a racemic mixture of methamphetamine?

I'm not really sure what the wavy line means. I've seen dashed and solid triangles but never waves. Maybe the carbon was replaced with snakes.

The brain has Cannabanoid/THC receptors in it. Whether it's there specifically for the consumption of pot or not is a different story (more than likely just a coincedence) but the fact remains the THC in weed that gets you high is welcomed by the body, not rejected like Alcohol.

nicotine receptors

 

[Chaotic42]

I'm not really sure what the wavy line means. I've seen dashed and solid triangles but never waves. Maybe the carbon was replaced with snakes.

Snarbon. It happens every time.

Anyway, if you want to keep smoking pot, why work somewhere that drug tests? Is that just an initial thing?

 

[ShawnD1]

Anyway, if you want to keep smoking pot, why work somewhere that drug tests? Is that just an initial thing?

Most well paying labor jobs do random drug tests for some reason. Electricians, maintenance guys, welders, rig pigs, pipe fitters, etc. I remember having to take drug tests when I did construction as a summer job and when I worked in a large manufacturing building. Shitty jobs that nobody cares about like McDonalds and Best Buy never do drug tests.

 

[olds]

Thread forwarded to employer.

 

[Chaotic42]

Most well paying labor jobs do random drug tests for some reason. Electricians, maintenance guys, welders, rig pigs, pipe fitters, etc. I remember having to take drug tests when I did construction as a summer job and when I worked in a large manufacturing building. Shitty jobs that nobody cares about like McDonalds and Best Buy never do drug tests.

Yeah, the only job I was ever drug tested for was Office Depot. I also got tested at MEPS.

 

[clamum]

Ugh, another AT drug-related thread.

 

[SunSamurai]

Thread forwarded to employer.

Seriously. The OP would be fired immediately.

Threads liek this at least remind us who the fuckups in these forums are. Defending drugging it up when your employer says no then trying to fraud and deceive them getting a fake sample? What goes around comes around. If you want to do your shit, let someone else have your job that deserves it.

 

[ShawnD1]

Yeah, the only job I was ever drug tested for was Office Depot. I also got tested at MEPS.

ha, pwned. What is MEPS?

 

[rudeguy]

ha, pwned. What is MEPS?

Military recruiting center. You go there to take your physical and smarts tests. They also check out every nook and cranny of your body...I go there on Wednesdays.


I didn't read this thread. Did the OP get busted?

 

[olds]

ha, pwned. What is MEPS?

Military recruiting center. You go there to take your physical and smarts tests. They also check out every nook and cranny of your body...I go there on Wednesdays.


I didn't read this thread. Did the OP get busted?

No.
Military
Entrance
Processing
Station

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

You guys are funny. In this case, OP didn't do anything wrong - he has abstained for over a month, so he should be fine on the test. Smoking pot in itself isn't stupid - complaining that you're addicted to it and to continue smoking instead of just holding for awhile in preparation for a test is stupid.

I've been smoking for a few years, sometimes heavily, sometimes lightly. Pot is by no means harmless to your mental or physical health (makes you sluggish, lowers immune capabilities, can lower self esteem and motivation), but from a moral standpoint employers shouldn't care what someone does in their off-time as long as they do their job. People who can't stop smoking for a few weeks to pass a test are 1. stupid and b. have a problem.

 

[zinfamous]

I just checked this and it sure as heck still contains pseudoephedrine. I really hope some guy supporting the war on drugs gets his ass fired because he tests positive for meth and doesn't understand why.

http://www.sudafed.com/#adult/nasal/tablets

I might as well also post images of pseudoephedrine and meth so you can understand how someone could possibly confuse the two when taste testing your urine.

Sudafed:

Meth, oooooh meth:

The difference is that OH group next to the ring. The rest of the molecule is the exact same. The metabolites are very similar.




A lot of people think drugs are welcome in the body just because the body has receptors for drugs. Nicotine even has receptors named after it; they are called nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Sure nicotine has its special receptors, just like marijuana does, but that doesn't make nicotine any less poisonous. Heroin affects opioid receptors, and yes they're actually named after opium.

Using the logic that something perfectly fitting something else implies that the two belong together, I can claim that the body craves cyanide. The body normally transports oxygen in the blood using a molecule called hemoglobin. Cyanide sticks to hemoglobin and it fits so well that the two never separate. A person can suffocate in a room filled with 1% hydrocyanic acid and 99% oxygen because their body "wanted" the cyanide more than the oxygen.

:thumbsup:

excellent post.

now 'scuse me, while I head up and smoke a spliff.

 

[rudeguy]

No.
Military
Entrance
Processing
Station

so you don't take your physical and ASVAB there?

 

[zinfamous]

When he got the job, did the job say that random drug screenings would occur? If so, ta-da, it is his fault that he violated that contract. If he doesn't like it, don't work there!

hmm. I always assumed by your user name that you stay high most of the time.

go figure.

 

[Chaotic42]

ha, pwned. What is MEPS?

Why did I get pwned?

so you don't take your physical and ASVAB there?

You can take the ASVAB there, and you do get a physical. That's what I failed. Damned duck walk. The seargent noticed that I squatted weirdly. Eventually it turned out that my hip is slightly bent.