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[crownjules]

QFT, sounds like he is staying clean only for the purpose of getting a job that doesn't want a pothead working there.

Hopefully it's not heavy machinery or work that would put others at risk. I know very very few drinkers that ever had a drink at lunch time while working, but most of the pot smokers I knew in my 20's had no trouble getting stoned out of their mind during lunch only to report back to work.

I've encountered many a hungover 20-something in my office work career. They'll come in bleary-eyed, moaning, and clinging to their coffee and Advil. The first couple hours of the day are spent in recovery and little to no work gets done. Yet this is dismissed, and even the misery of the hungover worker will be laughed at, by the majority of co-workers. Sure if it becomes an often repeated occurrence it will be dealt with accordingly. But once every few months is looked at as no big deal and a part of life. Many of my friends report similar things at their companies.

I've known of just one person doing drugs at work and he snorted coke on the job. Unsurprisingly, he was a stock trader. Guess our anecdotal evidence doesn't jive.

 

[40Hands]

Honestly, I believe you're the one that needs to seek some help. I believe anyone that does some form of drug: nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, etc has an underlying issue they're trying to cover up by using the above.

Depressed at all? Anxiety?

So is this your professional opinion? Did my post hit a little too close to home in your life too? Disregarding your "medical advice" and obvious personal issues, are you going to explain your vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you?

This world needs less ignorant judgmental assholes like yourself.

 

[Cattlegod]

Ah. I have no idea how long the intoxication lasts.


...is that your logic is flawed since alcohol is not illegal.

I'm torn because I don't like being around people who are drinking or getting high, don't see any positive from either whatsoever, but I still believe that just because I don't like something that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

OK, well then how about someone who has gone over the speed limit in the last 30 days? Speeding is dangerous to the person driving and everyone around that person.

 

[Cattlegod]

So is this your professional opinion? Did my post hit a little too close to home in your life too? Disregarding your "medical advice" and obvious personal issues, are you going to explain your vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you?

This world needs less ignorant judgmental assholes like yourself.

Right on.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

So is this your professional opinion? Did my post hit a little too close to home in your life too? Disregarding your "medical advice" and obvious personal issues, are you going to explain your vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you?

This world needs less ignorant judgmental assholes like yourself.

Funny, you seem to think I've never done drugs before. As a matter of fact I've done acid, shrooms, crank, and weed back in my haydays. Don't feed me with your bullshit about how it doesn't have any effect on you.

By the way, my medical advice is not my own. There's tons of pages regarding it: http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=marijuana+use+mental+issues

 

[SphinxnihpS]

This occurred over 10 years ago, so I'm pretty sure the levels of testing weren't as thorough then as they are now

Absolutely nothing has changed about the tests or the drugs or humans in the last decade. If you did pot a month ago, you can get caught. If you did coke yesterday, you will probably pass.

 

[darkswordsman17]

So is this your professional opinion? Did my post hit a little too close to home in your life too? Disregarding your "medical advice" and obvious personal issues, are you going to explain your vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you?

This world needs less ignorant judgmental assholes like yourself.

If it didn't have an effect on you then why would you do it? The whole point of it is that it does have an effect on you. For fuck's sake, the super pro-pot people are as fucking stupid and annoying as the anti-pot people.

Yes, drug laws and general consensus about them are incredibly fucked up, but people need to stop acting like they don't have a fucking choice. If the laws piss you off, then do something about it, either bug your representatives or move. If you don't like drug testing, then tell them to fuck off and work somewhere that doesn't require it.

People really need to stop acting like they don't have any control over their own lives.

 

[40Hands]

Funny, you seem to think I've never done drugs before. As a matter of fact I've done acid, shrooms, crank, and weed back in my haydays. Don't feed me with your bullshit about how it doesn't have any effect on you.

By the way, my medical advice is not my own. There's tons of pages regarding it: http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=marijuana+use+mental+issues

Congratulations? I don't really give a fuck what you did/do. Where did I say it has no effect on me? I said YOU. Let me rephrase for you since you obviously need a hand holding. When I decide to smoke, eat, or vaporize for the purpose of getting THC into my blood stream, it has no effect on YOU.


I'm not here to argue the possible effects of the substance. Most of the studies regarding the plant have been obfuscated to toot the governments own horn. It's hard to tell exactly what's real and what's propaganda. Although, people are starting to see through a lot of the bullshit fed to us over the years. Here's a related fun fact:

"Since 1942, when cannabis was removed from the U.S. Pharmacopoeia and its medical use was prohibited, there have been no legal (under federal law) privately funded cannabis production projects. This has resulted in a limited amount of research being done and possibly in NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse) producing cannabis which has been alleged to be of very low potency and inferior quality."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_cannabis



Sorry If I don't trust the government with their history of trying to demonize the substance since the day corporate interests and racism took them by the balls. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read up on the history of marijuana prohibition.

 

[40Hands]

If it didn't have an effect on you then why would you do it? The whole point of it is that it does have an effect on you. For fuck's sake, the super pro-pot people are as fucking stupid and annoying as the anti-pot people.

Yes, drug laws and general consensus about them are incredibly fucked up, but people need to stop acting like they don't have a fucking choice. If the laws piss you off, then do something about it, either bug your representatives or move. If you don't like drug testing, then tell them to fuck off and work somewhere that doesn't require it.

People really need to stop acting like they don't have any control over their own lives.

I guess I should have been more clear. I meant that it has no effect on him when others do it. The anti crowd is on the obvious losing end of the argument, yet they continue to fight it tooth and nail for no reason. I think you misjudge the level of stupid and annoying from their side.


Are you really that dense? When did I say I don't have a choice? I practice civil disobedience. I'm already part of a few legalization movements. I've written letters to my representatives. I will try my best not to get a job at a place that drug tests or I will cheat the damn test if needed. If that's not doing something about it then please tell me what is?

 

[ShawnD1]

Honestly, I believe you're the one that needs to seek some help. I believe anyone that does some form of drug: nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, etc has an underlying issue they're trying to cover up by using the above.

Depressed at all? Anxiety?

I know your intentions are good, but your logic is way off. If anyone who enjoys anything is trying to cover depression, then wouldn't 100% of the human population have depression?

I'm always trying to have sex with women because I think it's fun. I must have hardcore depression

 

[JulesMaximus]

Update?

Did the OP pass the piss test?

 

[AMCRambler]

Just remember, pee in the little cup. Don't poop in it.

 

[Ns1]

Just remember, pee in the little cup. Don't poop in it.

brilliant way to postpone your drug test for a little bit.

 

[Raduque]

Those are the kind of stoners (read: irresponsible) that give the rest of them a bad name.

The unfortunateness of it is that these are the stoners that are in the public eye. I worked with a guy who come to work stoned, stand around and do nothing (or very little) for the first couple hours, then get stoned on break and do nothing for the next 2-3 hours. He only did work for maybe 3 hours of an 8 hour shift.


This thread has really gotten off track. It's very simple. Weed is illegal. Period, end of sentence. Justify it however you want, it will not change the fact that it is illegal. As others have said, start working in the government to change it.

The second fact is that the employer doesn't want people who smoke illegal substances working for them. Period, end of sentence. If you don't like it, quit. Cheating the test is not the way to go about it. Companies should discourage this by suing people that are found to be cheating drug tests, as you're defrauding the company in order to keep employment against their policies.

Especially concerning is the fact that he's working at a pharmacy. What if his pot dealer found out and promised him a discount if he stole drugs from the pharmacy to sell? Or if he maybe decided to start dabbling in other drugs and took them from work? (the logic of weed being a gateway drug is debatable and I'm not going to get into it, but it's easy to see the jump from one illegal intoxicating substance to another)

Here's a question: Say he worked for a company that required a clean driving record (for whatever reason) and he speeds. If he got a speeding ticket or moving violation, should he be fired?

 

[Chaotic42]

Please explain why you personally have a vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you. (leave your anecdotes out of this)

It's an intoxicant. I view it about like I view alcohol. People come to work stoned, drive stoned, support organized crime by buying it (in some cases). Those are negatives.

Also, if you'll read my post, I said I'm torn on it. I have never, that I can remember, seriously advocated marijuana being anything but legal. I just don't understand the need to get high (or drunk). Sober life is perfectly entertaining.

You even have the audacity to claim that medicinal marijuana is "complete bullshit". I'm sure all those doctors and cancer patients don't know shit...

I called smokable and edible marijuana bullshit. I don't doubt that there are benefits to the plant. I could be wrong. The fact that it is still illegal is ludicrous to me, but I understand why.

As far as personal reasons why I don't like being around people who drink and smoke pot, I just don't like being around people in a seriously altered state. I've been around too many people doing that who get into way too much shit to make it appealing.

In the end though, it's illegal and the OP is drug tested. If he fails and loses his job, it's hard to have any sympathy for him.

 

[Chaotic42]

OK, well then how about someone who has gone over the speed limit in the last 30 days? Speeding is dangerous to the person driving and everyone around that person.

Did you sign something promising your employer that you wouldn't speed? If so, I have no issue with it.

 

[ShawnD1]

The unfortunateness of it is that these are the stoners that are in the public eye.

Yep. Rush Limbaugh is a stone's throw away from being a heroin addict (he's addicted to prescription opiates) but you wouldn't know that just by listening to him. It's possible to be a functional drug addict, but the functional ones never go around bragging about how high they are.

 

[bctbct]

Yep. Rush Limbaugh is a stone's throw away from being a heroin addict (he's addicted to prescription opiates) but you wouldn't know that just by listening to him. It's possible to be a functional drug addict, but the functional ones never go around bragging about how high they are.

I always figured he was brain damaged not hooked on drugs.

 

[BUTCH1]

The second fact is that the employer doesn't want people who smoke illegal substances working for them. Period, end of sentence. If you don't like it, quit. Cheating the test is not the way to go about it. Companies should discourage this by suing people that are found to be cheating drug tests, as you're defrauding the company in order to keep employment against their policies.

And the employer is violating MY right to privacy with random testing. One of the fundamental tenants of our democracy is a man is considered innocent until proven guilty, with random testing one is assumed GUILTY until proven innocent. Anyone who supports this is s god damm fascist, period..

 

[Terzo]

And the employer is violating MY right to privacy with random testing. One of the fundamental tenants of our democracy is a man is considered innocent until proven guilty, with random testing one is assumed GUILTY until proven innocent. Anyone who supports this is s god damm fascist, period..

I'm pretty sure that applies to the legal system, not employment.

 

[ShawnD1]

I always figured he was brain damaged not hooked on drugs.

I know being hooked on drugs can cause paranoia but I still don't think it would account for the racism

I'm pretty sure that applies to the legal system, not employment.

Sometimes the term "fascism" extends beyond government abuse to also cover corporate abuse. When liberals talk about fascism in America, this is what they are talking about. Private organizations are able to trample people, and the government does nothing to stop it even though one of the main jobs of the government is to protect people. I can't remember who said it, but the job of a responsible government is to protect the minority against the tyranny of the majority.

 

[BUTCH1]

I know being hooked on drugs can cause paranoia but I still don't think it would account for the racism



Sometimes the term "fascism" extends beyond government abuse to also cover corporate abuse. When liberals talk about fascism in America, this is what they are talking about. Private organizations are able to trample people, and the government does nothing to stop it even though one of the main jobs of the government is to protect people. I can't remember who said it, but the job of a responsible government is to protect the minority against the tyranny of the majority.

Back in the 70's all the rage was polygraph testing, people who had never had any problems or black marks with their employer were getting fired just on the results of a single test!. If they came up with a test that gives the results of intoxication in real time, not firing someone for getting high last week I would support it %100.

 

[Raduque]

And the employer is violating MY right to privacy with random testing. One of the fundamental tenants of our democracy is a man is considered innocent until proven guilty, with random testing one is assumed GUILTY until proven innocent. Anyone who supports this is s god damm fascist, period..

So the company is violating your privacy rights because it doesn't want somebody who regularly takes drugs to work for them? If you don't like it, quit. The company has rules and policies - if you think they infringe on your "rights", quit. Simple as that. Better yet, don't become an employee of that company in the first place.

As well, as others have said, high-functioning stoners tend to think they aren't impaired, so they come to work stoned. I don't know about you, but I don't want to work with somebody who's brain is purposefully altered by chemicals that change the way you perceive and react, legal or illegal.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So the company is violating your privacy rights because it doesn't want somebody who regularly takes drugs to work for them? If you don't like it, quit. The company has rules and policies - if you think they infringe on your "rights", quit. Simple as that. Better yet, don't become an employee of that company in the first place.

As well, as others have said, high-functioning stoners tend to think they aren't impaired, so they come to work stoned. I don't know about you, but I don't want to work with somebody who's brain is purposefully altered by chemicals that change the way you perceive and react, legal or illegal.

Can we agree that there is a fundamental difference between someone who tried marijuana once thirty days ago but didn't like it and won't smoke it again versus someone who habitually shows up to work stoned? Because all of the testing methods currently available don't distinguish between those two at all. What about someone who innocently consumed a brownie not realizing it had been baked with marijuana? Should they be fired for testing positive even though it was not their intention to ever ingest an illegal drug? The test can't determine intent, and while looking at the overall levels of THC present in an individual can give you a good idea of the frequency of use, it's by no means a foolproof test. So where do you draw the line? Because while I agree that being stoned on the job is a very good reason to fire someone, I cannot support zero tolerance drug testing policies which do nothing to determine whether someone is getting high all the time on work hours or smoked once on their off time.

 

[ahenkel]

I do think that an employer is violating my privacy rights if it wants me to take a Urinalysis to get or keep a job. I have a reasonable expecation of privacy when it comes to what I put in my body.


I am against indiscriminate piss tests because it's unfair and unneeded. It's unfair to make workers who aren't even accused of drug use to prove their sobriety through a demeaning and shakey procedure that violates personal privacy.

Urine tests don't prove if the employee is intoxicated at that moment just if they have metabolized the drug recently enough to post positve.