Drug test today at one

[quakefiend420]

If you're doing shit the company doesn't want you to do, its not fuck them, its FUCK YOU. Youre free to find another job. If you want to cheat and get someone to piss in a cup for you like some fucking lowlife, and I was your employer, youd be out on your ass and Id be sure to mention your deception and drug habit if your next prospective employment called my offices.

I love these threads...so if your employer didn't want you voting for a particular political candidate, that's their business to dictate as well? Where do you draw the line?

 

[Chaotic42]

I love these threads...so if your employer didn't want you voting for a particular political candidate, that's their business to dictate as well? Where do you draw the line?

Well, as marijuana is illegal (or in some cases just not legal) and is an intoxicant, it can pose a hazard at work. I believe that is the justification.

 

[quakefiend420]

Well, as marijuana is illegal (or in some cases just not legal) and is an intoxicant, it can pose a hazard at work. I believe that is the justification.

Would you support firing anyone who has had a drink in the last 30 days(the approximate amount of time it takes marijuana to leave your system)? It's an intoxicant as well.

 

[Chaotic42]

Would you support firing anyone who has had a drink in the last 30 days(the approximate amount of time it takes marijuana to leave your system)? It's an intoxicant as well.

How long does it take alcohol to leave your system? I thought it was approximately one hour per fluid ounce.

 

[alkemyst]

How long does it take alcohol to leave your system? I thought it was approximately one hour per fluid ounce.

he's stoned I think.

 

[quakefiend420]

How long does it take alcohol to leave your system? I thought it was approximately one hour per fluid ounce.

The joint one smoked 29 days ago is not still intoxicating them on the 29th day, which is why I made the comparison in that way. What they're testing for isn't the presence of the intoxicant itself, but what's naturally left behind after the body has metabolized it.

So, your answer to my previous question?

 

[quakefiend420]

he's stoned I think.

I haven't smoked in years, actually...however I am a strong proponent of personal choice and one's employer not dictating their personal lives as long as they're performing their job adequately.

And I even noted that the 30 days reference was to the amount of time that marijuana use is detectable in your system...who's stoned?

 

[alkemyst]

Exactly.



What the hell does that have to do with anything? Nobody is arguing that.

KT

the post above you did. Even added the pothead hehehe to it.

 

[Chaotic42]

The joint one smoked 29 days ago is not still intoxicating them on the 29th day, which is why I made the comparison in that way. What they're testing for isn't the presence of the intoxicant itself, but what's naturally left behind after the body has metabolized it.

Ah. I have no idea how long the intoxication lasts.

So, your answer to my previous question?

...is that your logic is flawed since alcohol is not illegal.

I'm torn because I don't like being around people who are drinking or getting high, don't see any positive from either whatsoever, but I still believe that just because I don't like something that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

 

[quakefiend420]

Ah. I have no idea how long the intoxication lasts.


...is that your logic is flawed since alcohol is not illegal.

I'm torn because I don't like being around people who are drinking or getting high, don't see any positive from either whatsoever, but I still believe that just because I don't like something that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

That depends on how it's used. I suppose what I'm getting at here is whether your issue lies with the drug itself and/or it's social stigmas/legal status, or with the employer's right to dictate your usage of it.

Let me rephrase the question, if our hypothetical marijuana user was prescribed the marijuana for medical reasons, do you still feel it's the employer's right to fire them? Let's take it a step further with the alcohol and eliminate the medical aspect and look at the "socially acceptable drug" part of the equation. If prohibition was reinstated a month ago, do you think any employee who's had a drink in the last 30 days should be fired?

 

[quakefiend420]

And just for reference, the timeframe for marijuana intoxication is roughly the same as alcohol in moderate amounts, if not shorter if we're talking about binge drinking.

 

[tyler811]

I have never contributed anything to ATOT. So I will stop posting.

Fixed it for ya

 

[Chaotic42]

That depends on how it's used. I suppose what I'm getting at here is whether your issue lies with the drug itself and/or it's social stigmas/legal status, or with the employer's right to dictate your usage of it.

Well, my feelings about weed are the same as my feelings about alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs:

-I wish they didn't exist.
-I do not want to be around anyone who is using or has recently used them.
-I think they provide only negatives to society
-I'm torn about their legality. My personal dislike of them conflicts with my socially liberal mindset

I also feel that as long as terms are set at hire, drug testing is fine.

Let me rephrase the question, if our hypothetical marijuana user was prescribed the marijuana for medical reasons, do you still feel it's the employer's right to fire them?

I think that smokable/edible medical marijuana is complete bullshit, but if you come in to work high or hungover, you should be punished.

Let's take it a step further with the alcohol and eliminate the medical aspect and look at the "socially acceptable drug" part of the equation. If prohibition was reinstated a month ago, do you think any employee who's had a drink in the last 30 days should be fired?

Should be? That depends. I would support the right for an employer to fire someone if they failed an alcohol test under prohibition. Same for weed.

 

[Modular]

So, did OP fail? Will OP post pics of wife?

 

[BUTCH1]

I disagree with those that claim anyone who smokes still thinks they can do their job just as well stoned, I dislike being stoned while working, makes the job much harder and take longer, I would rather wait till I'm home for a couple of hits before I walk my dog. There are other solutions for employers, an impairment test that NASA uses is available that tells an employer if employee is compromised right then and there, not about what metabolites are present in urine which has zero to do with an weather employee uses while at work.

 

[alkemyst]

And just for reference, the timeframe for marijuana intoxication is roughly the same as alcohol in moderate amounts, if not shorter if we're talking about binge drinking.

We should allow for hookers and blow. There is always room for hookers and blow at teh workplace. :rock:

 

[PlasmaBomb]

I just checked this and it sure as heck still contains pseudoephedrine. I really hope some guy supporting the war on drugs gets his ass fired because he tests positive for meth and doesn't understand why.

http://www.sudafed.com/#adult/nasal/tablets

I might as well also post images of pseudoephedrine and meth so you can understand how someone could possibly confuse the two when taste testing your urine.

Sudafed:

Meth, oooooh meth:

The difference is that OH group next to the ring. The rest of the molecule is the exact same. The metabolites are very similar.

Not quite

A lot of people think drugs are welcome in the body just because the body has receptors for drugs. Nicotine even has receptors named after it; they are called nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. Sure nicotine has its special receptors, just like marijuana does, but that doesn't make nicotine any less poisonous. Heroin affects opioid receptors, and yes they're actually named after opium.

Using the logic that something perfectly fitting something else implies that the two belong together, I can claim that the body craves cyanide. The body normally transports oxygen in the blood using a molecule called hemoglobin. Cyanide sticks to hemoglobin and it fits so well that the two never separate. A person can suffocate in a room filled with 1% hydrogen cyanide and 99% oxygen because their body "wanted" the cyanide more than the oxygen.

You are confusing cyanide with carbon monoxide. Cyanide is an inhibitor of cytochrome c oxidase (or more correctly the ion is).

Although you are correct 1% hydrogen cyanide in a room will be fatal very quickly.

 

[JohnPaul]

I really dont feel sorry for you if you do lose your job..

That's because you are an incompassionate douchebag!! The guy is trying to do the right thing and people like you won't give him a break. A$$hole!!

 

[Chaotic42]

That's because you are an incompassionate douchebag!! The guy is trying to do the right thing and people like you won't give him a break. A$$hole!!

What right thing is he trying to do?

 

[alkemyst]

What right thing is he trying to do?

QFT, sounds like he is staying clean only for the purpose of getting a job that doesn't want a pothead working there.

Hopefully it's not heavy machinery or work that would put others at risk. I know very very few drinkers that ever had a drink at lunch time while working, but most of the pot smokers I knew in my 20's had no trouble getting stoned out of their mind during lunch only to report back to work.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

did you pass the test dude?

 

[Nik]

Exactly, I feel no sympathy for something that you caused by stupidity.

The only "stupidity" here is your own judgmental attitude.

 

[Nik]

QFT, sounds like he is staying clean only for the purpose of getting a job that doesn't want a pothead working there.

Hopefully it's not heavy machinery or work that would put others at risk. I know very very few drinkers that ever had a drink at lunch time while working, but most of the pot smokers I knew in my 20's had no trouble getting stoned out of their mind during lunch only to report back to work.

Those are the kind of stoners (read: irresponsible) that give the rest of them a bad name.

 

[40Hands]

Well, my feelings about weed are the same as my feelings about alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs:

-I wish they didn't exist.
-I do not want to be around anyone who is using or has recently used them.
-I think they provide only negatives to society
-I'm torn about their legality. My personal dislike of them conflicts with my socially liberal mindset

I also feel that as long as terms are set at hire, drug testing is fine.


I think that smokable/edible medical marijuana is complete bullshit, but if you come in to work high or hungover, you should be punished.

You've got some issues here that you might want seek help with. Please explain why you personally have a vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you. (leave your anecdotes out of this)

You even have the audacity to claim that medicinal marijuana is "complete bullshit". I'm sure all those doctors and cancer patients don't know shit...

You sound like a classic victim of propaganda or some sort of childhood trauma. Pretty sad either way. Hopefully you're young and will seek counseling or grow out of it.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

You've got some issues here that you might want seek help with. Please explain why you personally have a vendetta against a substance that has no effect on you. (leave your anecdotes out of this)

You even have the audacity to claim that medicinal marijuana is "complete bullshit". I'm sure all those doctors and cancer patients don't know shit...

You sound like a classic victim of propaganda or some sort of childhood trauma. Pretty sad either way. Hopefully you're young and will seek counseling or grow out of it.

Honestly, I believe you're the one that needs to seek some help. I believe anyone that does some form of drug: nicotine, alcohol, marijuana, etc has an underlying issue they're trying to cover up by using the above.

Depressed at all? Anxiety?