Drug tests for welfare recipients

[novasatori]

Funny shit, lets save money on welfare by paying for sterilization procedures, birth control, abortions and drug testing to qualify.

YES

 

[Fear No Evil]

All while enriching the governor and his wife. You would make a good little peasant.

Democrats just put their stolen cash in the freezer. Republicans just funnel it through their businesses and at least create some jobs in the process. :whiste:

 

[wuliheron]

Funny shit, lets save money on welfare by paying for sterilization procedures, birth control, abortions and drug testing to qualify.

YES

That's roughly $500.oo for a vasectomy or abortion and at least $6,000.oo for a tubal ligation. You might have some people fighting in line to get "sterilized".

 

[Onceler]

I'm in favor of sterilization for those on welfare. Forced that is IF they choose to go on welfare.
Just cut off the balls.

 

[child of wonder]

Funny shit, lets save money on welfare by paying for sterilization procedures, birth control, abortions and drug testing to qualify.

YES

Isn't the latest estimates for raising a child coming in around several hundred thousand dollars?

Rather than pay a couple thousand for a vasectomy you'd rather pay for a welfare baby from age 0-18, perhaps longer if they go on welfare like their parents?

 

[mizzou]

State gov't is missing the big picture. By doing drug testing and then being forced to offer treatment plans while STILL paying out benefits while said program is being completed is a complete waste of time.

Here's how I would do it.

State Law: To receive benefits, you must be free of a controlled substance. You will be subjected to random testing. Any missed appointments without advance notice will result in immediate termination of (ALL ....sorry kids!) benefits with no reinstatement. If after testing any trace amounts have been detected, benefits terminate, no option for appeal or reinstatement....EVER. One and done. If no trace amounts exist, continue enjoying your benefits.

At the same time, I would sneak in a new rider for hospitals
: Hospitals are legally responsible to refuse treatment of those without any health insurance coverage, whether it be private or publicly provided.


It's like double jeopardy and you lose hard core if you don't play along. Unfortunately children will be hurt the most and it really wouldn't be fair to them. That is why I would leave it up to citizens themselves to be willing to pick up the pieces. I would rather leave it up to regular people to take care of their own, not to have it mandated into some organized law. Plus charity is free! Isn't this what everyone wants? AREN"T YOU HAPPY NOW!

*Cries*

 

[Balt]

I'd argue that these parents are already pretty fucking useless. They're using drugs and clearly not contributing toward making these kids functional productive adults. Taking them out of the loop would probably be a benefit.

I think you're right, sadly. To some parents, kids are just another way of milking the state. They don't actually give a shit about their kids.

 

[wuliheron]

I'm in favor of sterilization for those on welfare. Forced that is.
Just cut off the balls.

The Neo-Nazis have their own forums if you're interested:

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

 

[wuliheron]

I think you're right, sadly. To some parents, kids are just another way of milking the state. They don't actually give a shit about their kids.

At an average of sixty bucks a month extra for having a kid you have to be a serious drug addict. There are some out there and my aunt used to specialize in taking them to court to have the kids taken away. That kind of habit ain't cheap and they're all hookers who get caught repeatedly. The problem is the courts are biased towards keeping the mother and children together. Most of the time its a good bias to have, but on those rare occasions it backfires.

 

[Ape]

I think you're right, sadly. To some parents, kids are just another way of milking the state. They don't actually give a shit about their kids.

The more you have, the more you make. And you make even more if your single so there is no insentive to marry anyone either.

 

[ericlp]

Haha, this is rich, I mean I am all for it...really... But it's not just the cost to test everyone, but... What ya gonna do when they pop up positive? You can't just let them starve on the street? Can you? No, you still gotta take care of them? Do you take all 16 kids? and do something? Doesn't seem like this is gonna work too well... ah well!

 

[wuliheron]

Haha, this is rich, I mean I am all for it...really... But it's not just the cost to test everyone, but... What ya gonna do when they pop up positive? You can't just let them starve on the street? Can you? No, you still gotta take care of them? Do you take all 16 kids? and do something? Doesn't seem like this is gonna work too well... ah well!

If mom's a drug addict she'll give the kids to foster care where the state can spend ten times as much to raise them. Then she'll hook more to afford her habit, get busted, and sent to prison where the state can spend three times as much to support her ass. But its the principle of the thing! Florida politics have always been insane even by US standards.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Haha, this is rich, I mean I am all for it...really... But it's not just the cost to test everyone, but... What ya gonna do when they pop up positive? You can't just let them starve on the street? Can you? No, you still gotta take care of them? Do you take all 16 kids? and do something? Doesn't seem like this is gonna work too well... ah well!

So by that logic we can't have consequences for anything. Does it make economic sense to lock someone up for stealing a lawn mower? No way, but we have to have consequences for actions otherwise society just melts down. I wonder if someone stole your laptop if you would just prefer they get off with no punishment because it would cost more than the $2000 your laptop cost to prosecute them?

 

[Freshgeardude]

So by that logic we can't have consequences for anything. Does it make economic sense to lock someone up for stealing a lawn mower? No way, but we have to have consequences for actions otherwise society just melts down. I wonder if someone stole your laptop if you would just prefer they get off with no punishment because it would cost more than the $2000 your laptop cost to prosecute them?

win response

 

[wuliheron]

So by that logic we can't have consequences for anything. Does it make economic sense to lock someone up for stealing a lawn mower? No way, but we have to have consequences for actions otherwise society just melts down. I wonder if someone stole your laptop if you would just prefer they get off with no punishment because it would cost more than the $2000 your laptop cost to prosecute them?

Taking drugs is a victimless crime. Next you'll be insisting we take away welfare from anyone jay walking and comparing it to genocide.

 

[Red Dawn]

So they get free money for testing Drugs?

 

[wuliheron]

So they get free money for testing Drugs?

Right, free money for drug tests to make sure the welfare bums are spending their money on legal things like health food. That way we can keep em alive longer and make sure to get more free money.

 

[matt0611]

Right, free money for drug tests to make sure the welfare bums are spending their money on legal things like health food. That way we can keep em alive longer and make sure to get more free money.

Maybe they'll get paying jobs so they can pay for their own drugs like the rest of us do

 

[wuliheron]

Maybe they'll get paying jobs so they can pay for their own drugs like the rest of us do

Yeah, right. And maybe the tooth fairy take them under her wing. There are no jobs in case you haven't noticed. Less then half the country has a full time job, as many as 20% are unemployed, and we've still got 11 million illegal aliens driving down wages and taking up jobs!

If you don't like welfare and don't like paying higher taxes I can understand, but to shoot yourself in the foot so the government demands even higher taxes is insane. In fact, its insane by the definition drug addicts use: "Doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results".

 

[matt0611]

Yeah, right. And maybe the tooth fairy take them under her wing. There are no jobs in case you haven't noticed. Less then half the country has a full time job, as many as 20% are unemployed, and we've still got 11 million illegal aliens driving down wages and taking up jobs!

If you don't like welfare and don't like paying higher taxes I can understand, but to shoot yourself in the foot so the government demands even higher taxes is insane. In fact, its insane by the definition drug addicts use: "Doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results".

I would only support this if the spending is taken out of the money that goes to the welfare, so that the people on welfare would start having to pay for it, not me.