drugs vs alcohol

[luv2chill]

Hey dude--don't want to attack you, but you are spewing forth BS you've learned from DARE.



<< There are no REAL benifits. >>



Are there real benefits to cigarettes? Alcohol? No... the benefits of these drugs are social. Alcohol nor cigarettes nor marijuana are required for daily life on this planet. The reasons people do them are multifold. Some to escape from life's problems, some just to experiment, and everything in between.

And just thought I would throw in that marijuana DOES have real benefits--those being medicinal--to those suffering from diseases such as glaucoma.



<< No, I'm not judging based on alcohol and ciggarettes. Drugs are much worse, pal... Do I have to say this? It's kind of obvious...drugs are worse than cigs and alcohol dude. >>



Where's your proof of this? And if you are excluding marijuana from this, you should have stated so. If you are including marijuana, I would like to know in what ways it is worse than cigarettes and alcohol.

Keep in mind that the original subject of this thread is about weed versus alcohol. If you're talking about heroin or crack cocaine, that's a different thread.



<< Yea why don't I try some drugs a few times so I can OD and die, or how about I drink so I can go get in a car accident and get decapitated or screw some whore and get AIDS(pardon my language please). >>



Boy that sounds like it came right from a DARE pamphlet (well, maybe it's paraphrased a little). Drugs, like anything else in life, are about personal responsibility. I agree with you that people abuse substances... but there are underlying reasons for that abuse which should be addressed. But don't you agree that it should come down to being responsible for your own actions?



<< Yea you may start off in moderation...then it grows and grows until that's ALL you think about. >>



This is a gross generalization and is not always true. Again, it comes down to the person.



<< And people don't need drugs to fill a void in life. If they feal that, then maybe they need to reevaluate their life and make some changes in the way they live it, not do some drugs so you can not think about it for awhile. Geez, that's just common sense. At least it should be. >>



I agree with you here. But criminalizing drugs does not help eliminate that void in some people's lives. Throwing drug users in jail does not treat them. The problem is far more deeply rooted in society. It's like using nasal spray when you've got a sinus infection--you're trying to cure the underlying problem by treating a symptom. Drugs are only one thing people abuse--others include food, money, power, and other people.

But marijuana is not bad, despite what you've been led to believe.

l2c

 

[Deeko]

Dare Shmare. I call it common sense.



<< And just thought I would throw in that marijuana DOES have real benefits--those being medicinal--to those suffering from diseases such as glaucoma >>


I had a teacher recently who was suffering from a very severe case of glaucoma. He is fine now. No marijuana for him, either.



<< Where's your proof of this? And if you are excluding marijuana from this, you should have stated so. If you are including marijuana, I would like to know in what ways it is worse than cigarettes and alcohol.

Keep in mind that the original subject of this thread is about weed versus alcohol. If you're talking about heroin or crack cocaine, that's a different thread. >>


When I responded, it was not in response to the original question. It was in response to another thread, hence the quoting. No, I'm not excluding marijuna. Weed is worse than cigarettes and alcohol. It is. What the he** kind of reasons do you want? That's like saying &quot;Who's a worse football team, the Rams or the Bengals?&quot;



<< Boy that sounds like it came right from a DARE pamphlet (well, maybe it's paraphrased a little) >>


What is it with you and DARE? I call it things that can easily happen.



<< This is a gross generalization and is not always true >>


No, it's not. But why take the risk?



<< But marijuana is not bad, despite what you've been led to believe. >>


Led to believe, whatever. I just haven't done it yet, so I still have the ability to think.

 

[Deeko]

Ok since some of the people here think that weed is not as bad as cigarettes and alcohol for some odd reaon, I will break it down for you. From least harmful to most.

Alcohol:
Alcohol has very little direct harm. It is a poison to your liver. Temporarily, it gets in the synapses in your neurons(the space between the axons and the dendrites). This blocks impulses from being sent through. This is what causes you to act stupid. Alcohol can cause a lot of indirect damage, but not too much direct.

Cigarettes:
Possibly the stupidest thing you could do to yourself, except suicide. Causes a great amount of physical damage directly. And it causes no changes to your mind or anything, so there is little indirect damage. But there is a great amount of direct with no benifit whatsoever. I think it should be illegal. But the companies are huge, there is no way it will happen.

Weed:
Causes a good amount of direct damage, including memory impairment. Also causes just as much indirect, if not more, than alcohol. It can cause you to do just as stupid things. So one of the previous causes indirect damage, one causes direct, this one causes both. Therefore it is worse than them. It should be illegal, and it will stay that way.

BTW, some people up there seem to think D.A.R.E. is bad? It didn't influence me at all, I wouldn't have done this stuff anyway, it is for the type of people that might do it. And it is good, I'm sure it has prevented many kids from doing stupid things. I personally could have done without it, but that's because I have enough common sense not to do this stuff in the first place.

 

[gUEvAra]

killing brain cells, ha
my god..how sad and typical a response. I would like all of you to do a little homework assignment for me: search for someone on this earth that has died as a direct result of marijuana. scour news and medical archives, run from door to door asking your neighbors, ask all your cog-workers.

...i get a strange feeling you won't find one though, simply because there has never been a recorded death as a direct result of marijuana.

now, what if i asked you to find someone who has died as a direct result of alcohol and/or cigarettes? My guess would be you could find one faster then i could smoke a blunt

and yet....it seems the government has it backwards. we are not allowed to use a plant that would produce 4 times the paper (as opposed to trees, that is) with 4 times less pollution per square acre. We are not allowed to use a plant put on this earth by &quot;god&quot; for us to use and enjoy (i'm not religious, but to those of you who are..that might make sense). We are allowed to suck on car tailpipes and drink poison but we cannot use a plant that could be growing on our lawn.

The mere fact that marijuana is illegal traces back to racism, in the 30s there was a massive peurto rican immigration to the US, and along with them they brought their herb.Due to racial tensions the peurto ricans were victim/instigators to many barroom brawls. Eventually the government concluded that the marijuana must be the instigator of the violence, even though the American Medical Association told the government that marijuana does not cause violence, and should not be outlawed.


....it was outlawed anyways


TV has us thinking that anyone who usees marijuana is a complete idiot &quot;hey man....i got the munchies man...&quot; when in fact, those who use marijuana are the ones you work for, the ones who teach your children, even law enforcment officers. The government has us thinking that marijuana use is declining, because most indivduals are conformists and will stay with the majority of whatever side on a particular issue. If we were to portray accurate statistics of marijuana use, we would see a lot of sheep jump on the bandwagon I dont know about you guys...but everyone around here smokes herb. Really, there are more &quot;junkies&quot; out there then you think. I dont mean that as an argument, i really couldnt care any less how many use it, I use it for my own personal enjoyment...still, i just find it funny how a growing underground will hopefully rise up and end this injustice.

as for those of you using the &quot;gateway drug&quot; argument. what do you think those kids started on before marijuana? Beer and Cigarettes

I dont drink, I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, I researched marijuana very carefully before i even touched a joint.

eh..im hungry so this diatribe might not seem all there, sorry

 

[Warpo]

Deeko, how can you come to these conclusions when you haven't done any of them? I love reading your responses, they make me laugh.

 

[Deeko]

Like I said DIRECTLY ABOVE YOUR POST, marijuana isn't the worst directly, but it does cause direct damage, AND can cause signifigant indirect damage(AKA you driving off a cliff while high).

BTW: When I said about killing brain cells, that was refering to alcohol.

 

[gUEvAra]

PS- ive smoked herb for about 10 years now and have experienced no memory loss whatsoever. your indirect/direct damage logic does not make sense to me whatsoever deeko. furthermore, i dont understand how you can say herb is worse then alcohol, think of it this way:

you are offered the choice between 10 joints/blunts/bowls whatever or 10 40oz bottles of old english. Person A picks the marijuana, smokes about 6, then falls into a peaceful sleep. Person B chooses the liquor, and after about 8 he calls 911, an ambulance races over, and he is pronounced DOA of alcohol poisoning.

deeko, maybe take a field trip to the ER and see how many people are rushed in for alcohol and how many for marijuana? =]

 

[gUEvAra]

deeko.....you seem to subscribe to Television's idea of what being high is (acting like an idiot...driving off a cliff, roflmao)

you also say that you have not used marijuana, but somehow seem to be an expert on all of the effects, and seem to be completley positive that you cannot operate a motor vehicle while under the infulence of marijuana. please, do tell us, where did you get this information? i would love to see it!

 

[Deeko]

You people are seriously ignorant if you seriously think these things. And I'm NOT saying alcohol is fine, no it's not, but marijuana IS WORSE.

Warpo, do I make you laugh? Good for you. Do you smoke pot? if so, I bet I live longer than you.

gUEvAra, ok let's take a look at percentages. Number of people who have smoked pot, number of people who have drank alcohol. Then look at percentage of those people who have died because of it, either directly or indirectly. I betcha the percentage for marijuana is higher. Plenty of people can drink in small amounts with no problems, alot more than people who try to moderate their marijuana usage.

 

[Deeko]

No pal, I'm not an expert on marijuana. I'm not saying you can't smoke and not be totally impaired, but most can't. Tell me this. How is someone smoking pot better than me not doing anything? Will they ALWAYS die of it? No. But there is a chance. And there is NO chance of it happening to me. TRY to prove that wrong. JUST TRY. YOU CAN'T.

 

[Warpo]

Deeko, if you find a proven fact that people who don't smoke weed live longer than people who do, I will once laught at you again. You can keep the years where your straped in a wheelchair with diapers on.


Deeko, all marijuana is, is a stimulate. You feel wonderful, and have no worries (unless you get paranoid) for a time. Do you go on Roller Coasters? Why? Because they are fun? Because they stimulate you?

Also, do you plan on having sex? Whats the point of it I ask? All it does is stimulate you for a little while.

 

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[gUEvAra]

one again deeko you have failed miserably in any attempt to rebutt any pro marijuana comments...lol you have also failed to tell me where you are getting all of this information you hold so gospel-like from. I have run into people like this before when on this topic, so angry, so full of rage..yet empty on logic. Maybe you should spend less time capitalizing your words and think about what your saying?

what's most ironic about this whole evening is the fact that i am pretty stoned right now, yet run argumenitive circles around poor deeko, who i am assuming is sober (although being drunk would be a nice excuse for his stupidity?)

/me realizes i am arguing with a person who uses backstreet boys lyrics in their sig
/me sighs

so please, before you hit the caps lock key again, give us some credible sources stating why marijuana is bad, rather then what dare or your teacher told you..lol

 

[Deeko]

They don't always, but they have a better chance. That should be obvious. If it's not to you, get your head checked. Or better yet, take a DARE class Yea you feal wonderful, blah blah blah, no side affects either. None whatsoever. Heck that stuff doesn't have anything in it that can hurt you. Hmm...there's THC, a chemical that impairs brain functions, sometimes permanently. Hmm...the amount of inhaled carbon monixide is 3 to 5 times as much as tobacco products. Yes I just researched that. Yes I did get it from the national institute of health....hmm but maybe they made it up?

 

[Warpo]

LOL, nice post Guevara.
I would be, but am all out of paper

Your username, and relation to ol' Che?

 

[Deeko]

Ok, you posted that while I was posting. Would you like a link, pothead?

EDIT: reworded

EDIT: You said you assume I'm sober but might not be....hmm maybe you missed that part where I said that alcohol is also very bad for you too?

EDIT AGAIN: You may think that you're running circles around me, but hey you're the one that's stoned. I haven't seen you post much credible info either, other than &quot;marijuana's not bad for you, you're dumb you only listen to DARE&quot;

 

[loup garou]

Alright, you closed-minded boybander, I couldn't stand idly by while you pulled &quot;facts&quot; out your ass. Here'sa link to one article, with *actual* scientific studies! I actually just stumbled upon while doing research for a paper. Read the last sentence (and the last sentence in the second to last paragraph), if you read anything at all. There's plenty of other good objective articles there too. New Scientist is no crackpot pro-marijuana rag either, it's a well respected journal.

Also, let me tell you this. You are still a child. Wait until you are actually out in the world and realize how many people smoke pot and live successful lives. The only reason many people who would don't is because they fear the consequences imposed because of illegality.

 

[loup garou]

Here's another.

 

[vi edit]

Alcohol:
Alcohol has very little direct harm. It is a poison to your liver. Temporarily, it gets in the synapses in your neurons(the space between the axons and the dendrites). This blocks impulses from being sent through. This is what causes you to act stupid. Alcohol can cause a lot of indirect damage, but not too much direct.

Cigarettes:
Possibly the stupidest thing you could do to yourself, except suicide. Causes a great amount of physical damage directly. And it causes no changes to your mind or anything, so there is little indirect damage. But there is a great amount of direct with no benifit whatsoever. I think it should be illegal. But the companies are huge, there is no way it will happen.

Weed:
Causes a good amount of direct damage, including memory impairment. Also causes just as much indirect, if not more, than alcohol. It can cause you to do just as stupid things. So one of the previous causes indirect damage, one causes direct, this one causes both. Therefore it is worse than them. It should be illegal, and it will stay that way.


Deeko - take a shot of tequilla, and then eat a green brownie. Now you tell me which one has a greater direct damage.

It could just be me, but that gagging reflex, followed by a burning sensation, and possibly followed by vomiting (if I have too many) from the shots is a pretty good indication of &quot;direct damage&quot;


Alcohol damages the brain, liver, and kidneys. Alcohol has killed hundreds of thousands of people both directly and indirectly.

Pot on the other hand, when ingested directly (meaning not by smoking) has been shown to decrease short term, and eventually long term memory, but yet, no one has died from it.

I ask again, which one is worse?

 

[Deeko]

Oh my god. You people seriosly just don't get it. Alcohol is not good for you. I've said that plenty of times....marijuana is worse. Ok, so there are hundreds of thounds of alcohol deaths....there are also millions upon millions of alcohol users who don't die. Like I said before, the NUMBER of alcohol related deaths is higher, but the percentage is almost certainly not. I'm a child, that means I don't know anything, if I was older then I would know that pot was good for me...wait a second...ok go here. If you want the facts that pot is bad for you. Concentrated alcohol is plenty bad, it's a poison....but you wanna tell me carbon monoxide isn't???

 

[vi edit]

No, you don't get it. How can you sit there and tell me that even though something kills somebody, it is better for you than something that doesn't kill you?

How many people have died directly from marijuana?

Waiting for your response.

 

[loup garou]

I'm not going to get in a big argument over this (I've got better things to do), but did you even look at the links I posted? Both have evidence that ALCOHOL is worse for you than marijuana! I'm not saying that there are no ill effects caused by marijuana usage, but the same could be said about greasy foods, sex, and physical exertion...shit happens. Smoking it is not the only way to ingest it either, as vi pointed out. Brownies eliminate the harmful effects of smoking. The drug isn't what is harmful; if you burned anything and inhaled it, it would be bad for you.

BTW, the link you posted is biased, the links I posted are objective. Try to find some evidence based on actual objective clinical trials instead of those posted by NIDA.

 

[Deeko]

Ok, I read that article. While it did say that the long term mental impairment was not signigant, it was there, and it did say that driving is impaired, and it did not say anything about the carbon monoxide, it was only about the mental part. So....you're still breathing in a poison. That article didn't manage to discount that.

 

[Deeko]

Ohh my article's biased, therefore it is false. I don't care if they're biased, they still posted facts. Fine, I'll look for a &quot;non-biased&quot; article and post it. Maybe a few.

 

[luv2chill]

DEEKO

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SMOKE POT TO FEEL ITS EFFECTS.

NO SMOKE = NO CO

l2c