DSA has some scalps this election night

Blackjack200

Lifer
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DSA Members Elected
Lee Carter - District 50 VA House of Delegates (DSA member but ran as a D, no D party support)
Mik Pappas - 31st Magisterial District Justice in Pittsburgh
Charles Decker - Alder, Ward 9, New Haven Connecticut
Seems Singh Perez - Knoxville, TN City Council District 3
JT Scott - Somerville, MA Alderman, Ward 2
Ben Ewen-Campen - Somerville, MA Alderman, Ward 3
Anita Prizio - Allegheny, PA City Council


DSA Endorsed Elected
Larry Krasner - Philadelphia District Attorney
Nikuyah Walker - Charlottesville, VA City Council

Several races are too close to call, so there will probably be more.

A better world is possible.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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Sorry Woolfe, it's easy to forget how out of touch people are!

Another win, DSA member Ross Grooters - Pleasant Hill, IA City Council
 

dank69

Lifer
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Didn't even need Google to infer the probable meaning of DSA, and of course, we do have Google for those that couldn't.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Bernie seems to have significantly changed the Political landscape. At least if my assumption that the DSA was pretty much never been as successful anyway.
 

bshole

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DSA Members Elected
Lee Carter - District 50 VA House of Delegates (DSA member but ran as a D, no D party support)
Mik Pappas - 31st Magisterial District Justice in Pittsburgh
Charles Decker - Alder, Ward 9, New Haven Connecticut
Seems Singh Perez - Knoxville, TN City Council District 3
JT Scott - Somerville, MA Alderman, Ward 2
Ben Ewen-Campen - Somerville, MA Alderman, Ward 3
Anita Prizio - Allegheny, PA City Council


DSA Endorsed Elected
Larry Krasner - Philadelphia District Attorney
Nikuyah Walker - Charlottesville, VA City Council

Several races are too close to call, so there will probably be more.

A better world is possible.

DSA and Justice Democrats are where all the young liberals are flocking.
 

Snarf Snarf

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DSA and Justice Democrats are where all the young liberals are flocking.

As a young Democrat this is a worrying trend, the party doesn't need to be fragmented like the GOP by letting in more hard line ideology. The sub groups of both parties have the possibility to hold the larger blocs of power ransom if they gain enough influence (like the tea party and freedom caucus have) and we could end up with 10+ years of obstructionist shit show on top of the previous 8 years of obstructionist shit show *sigh*
 

spacejamz

Lifer
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Sorry Woolfe, it's easy to forget how out of touch people are!

Elitist much?

Even left leaning USA Today is out of touch according to you since this is the response when searching for DSA on their site:

Sorry! There are no results for your search term.
Please check the spelling of your search term, or try a different word or phrase
 

bshole

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As a young Democrat this is a worrying trend, the party doesn't need to be fragmented like the GOP by letting in more hard line ideology. The sub groups of both parties have the possibility to hold the larger blocs of power ransom if they gain enough influence (like the tea party and freedom caucus have) and we could end up with 10+ years of obstructionist shit show on top of the previous 8 years of obstructionist shit show *sigh*

I think the young-uns are more concerned about the shambles of a country that the older generation has given them.
 
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Snarf Snarf

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I think the young-uns are more concerned about the shambles of a country that the older generation has given them.

They are, but it's important for them to realize they aren't the only generation to inherit a shit show, and that there is an established way of doing things that doesn't involve blowing everything up. Young people tend to be opposed to incremental change because of a skewed scale of time when compared to their life span in general. 4 years is a long time to someone who is 20, 4 years is not a long time to someone in their 40's, and it's even less to someone in their 70's.

While the Bernie revolution got a lot of young people interested, it also was a double edged sword because those same young voters became upset when the change they desired was not instant and it resulted in a lot of them not voting at all in 2016. There will be friction against change, and if change is going to happen we need the under 30 crowd to not lose interest in the process because of a single failure. Failure means there are lessons to be learned, and it's important that we don't fracture the party moving forward by trying to rush change when we aren't in control of The House, Senate, or Executive Branch.
 
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Stokely

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That is my worry as well...the perfect is the enemy of the good. I get why people, especially young people who tend to embrace ideals more, would look at the Democrats and be disgusted. At best they are another face of the same slimy political machine, albeit IMO not as slimy as the GOP. I know quite a few people who voted Johnson/wrote in Bernie this time around (or said they did) and it won us all Trump.

Now maybe Trump will burn down the GOP for a while (awesome), and it would be worth it...it's just awful risky to me due to his environmental stance (destroy it) and his apparent willingness to start wars tweeting from the toilet.
 

Blackjack200

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As a young Democrat this is a worrying trend, the party doesn't need to be fragmented like the GOP by letting in more hard line ideology. The sub groups of both parties have the possibility to hold the larger blocs of power ransom if they gain enough influence (like the tea party and freedom caucus have) and we could end up with 10+ years of obstructionist shit show on top of the previous 8 years of obstructionist shit show *sigh*

What part of the DSA platform would you consider hard line? There are some, I'm sure, but the core movement is mostly concerned with broadly popular policies like universal health care and $15 minimum wage.

They are, but it's important for them to realize they aren't the only generation to inherit a shit show, and that there is an established way of doing things that doesn't involve blowing everything up. Young people tend to be opposed to incremental change because of a skewed scale of time when compared to their life span in general. 4 years is a long time to someone who is 20, 4 years is not a long time to someone in their 40's, and it's even less to someone in their 70's.

While the Bernie revolution got a lot of young people interested, it also was a double edged sword because those same young voters became upset when the change they desired was not instant and it resulted in a lot of them not voting at all in 2016. There will be friction against change, and if change is going to happen we need the under 30 crowd to not lose interest in the process because of a single failure. Failure means there are lessons to be learned, and it's important that we don't fracture the party moving forward by trying to rush change when we aren't in control of The House, Senate, or Executive Branch.

I'm not sure what part of the DSA platform involves blowing anything up. Quite the opposite, the DSA believes in rebuilding the communities that have been obliterated by capitalism.

What single failure are you referring to? Do you believe things were moving in the right direction before November 8, 2016? Because I think there's a lot of evidence that they weren't. The shit show you referred to has been brewing for 40 years.

That is my worry as well...the perfect is the enemy of the good. I get why people, especially young people who tend to embrace ideals more, would look at the Democrats and be disgusted. At best they are another face of the same slimy political machine, albeit IMO not as slimy as the GOP. I know quite a few people who voted Johnson/wrote in Bernie this time around (or said they did) and it won us all Trump.

Now maybe Trump will burn down the GOP for a while (awesome), and it would be worth it...it's just awful risky to me due to his environmental stance (destroy it) and his apparent willingness to start wars tweeting from the toilet.

My understanding is that a larger percentage of Bernie supporters voted for Clinton in '16 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in '08. I'm not saying that you won't find a lot of Sanders supporters that didn't vote. My brother was one of those, but he never would have voted for Clinton, Sanders or no Sanders (he didn't vote for Obama in '08 or '12).

There is a huge number of alienated voters out there, I think the DSA has the potential to reach some of them. I think it's a big mistake to just think of them as cannibalizing and splintering support for the Democratic Party.

I saw some folks talking on Twitter last night about what an incredible idiot and buffoon Trump is, and that we might not be so lucky with whatever fascist runs in 2020 or 2024, it could very well be a skilled politician. In my view, a strong DSA could be a big asset in preventing that kind of disaster.
 

Snarf Snarf

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What single failure are you referring to? Do you believe things were moving in the right direction before November 8, 2016? Because I think there's a lot of evidence that they weren't. The shit show you referred to has been brewing for 40 years.

I didn't say singular failure? You are correct though the DNC's problems have been brewing for much longer than 2016, the Hilary debacle just showcased everything that was wrong.

What part of the DSA platform would you consider hard line? There are some, I'm sure, but the core movement is mostly concerned with broadly popular policies like universal health care and $15 minimum wage.

The platform itself isn't hard line (in the context of Tea Party) but the ideas are where the blowing up comes from. Switching to universal health care is 100% a "blowing up" of the current system that has been in place. I support universal health care, but I also know that unless we have a super majority in both House and Senate with the POTUS it's not going to happen. A pragmatic approach of expanding Medicare and fixing the ACA is ideal, as we slowly introduce elements of single payer system over time until eventually shifting over to true universal health care.
 

Blackjack200

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I didn't say singular failure? You are correct though the DNC's problems have been brewing for much longer than 2016, the Hilary debacle just showcased everything that was wrong.

You said "There will be friction against change, and if change is going to happen we need the under 30 crowd to not lose interest in the process because of a single failure."

I took that "single failure" to mean the election of Trump, and I think interest in the DSA has more to do with dissatisfaction with political leadership in general than just frustration with Democrats.

The platform itself isn't hard line (in the context of Tea Party) but the ideas are where the blowing up comes from. Switching to universal health care is 100% a "blowing up" of the current system that has been in place. I support universal health care, but I also know that unless we have a super majority in both House and Senate with the POTUS it's not going to happen. A pragmatic approach of expanding Medicare and fixing the ACA is ideal, as we slowly introduce elements of single payer system over time until eventually shifting over to true universal health care.

Again, I don't see moving to UHC as blowing anything up, but I think that the incremental steps to get there if you couldn't get it in one shot (expansion of Medicaid, nationalization of Medicare Part D, etc.) would receive broad support from socialists
 

Snarf Snarf

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You said "There will be friction against change, and if change is going to happen we need the under 30 crowd to not lose interest in the process because of a single failure."

Oh okay I see the misunderstanding now, that was in regards to @bshole talking about the youngins in the party. To many of them this is the first failure of the DNC in their adult lifetimes since Obama won '08 and '12 (I'm still relatively young but at 30 but I'm on the upper edge of the millennial generation).

We're in agreement on policy, but I come from a family of conservatives, and despite agreeing with Sanders on almost all of his platform I have heard a lot of people turned off solely because he was a self identified socialist. I wish people would refrain from using that word due to the negative connotation in carries in this country, and in lieu opt for something like Progressive Democrats Of America. The democrats aren't going to attract many voters from the middle or right of middle aligning themselves with "dirty socialists" (again I don't think this but I live in Texas and I hear this a lot)
 

Blackjack200

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We're in agreement on policy, but I come from a family of conservatives, and despite agreeing with Sanders on almost all of his platform I have heard a lot of people turned off solely because he was a self identified socialist. I wish people would refrain from using that word due to the negative connotation in carries in this country, and in lieu opt for something like Progressive Democrats Of America. The democrats aren't going to attract many voters from the middle or right of middle aligning themselves with "dirty socialists" (again I don't think this but I live in Texas and I hear this a lot)

Yeah, that's an interesting point. I don't know what the answer is. In some ways I feel like a lot of the ideas of socialism have been as demonized as the word itself, and isn't there some value in grabbing people's attention by willingly using a term that's been verboten in American politics to describe yourself? And on the other hand, shouldn't we be pragmatic? If we can get more public support for UHC by not using words like socialism, isn't that better?

It's something I do think about.
 

OutHouse

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What part of the DSA platform would you consider hard line? There are some, I'm sure, but the core movement is mostly concerned with broadly popular policies like universal health care and $15 minimum wage.

Venezuela....
 

FIVR

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Fragmenting the democratic party is also a hobby of the Russians. They did the same thing with the Bernie Bros.


Balkanize US politics/ foment discord/ make the US geopolitically irrelevant... it's all part of the plan.
 
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