I assume you cant document it? Why should I trust you then?
GCNs ACE is about equal to nVidias HyperQ. Something only found in Kepler and Maxwell.
What is there to document? GCN has ACEs, older architectures don't. It doesn't work in DX 11.2 while it is supported in Mantle and DX 12.
Again, let's not make Mantle to be something it isn't.
What is there to document? GCN has ACEs, older architectures don't. It doesn't work in DX 11.2 while it is supported in Mantle and DX 12.
Oh PLEASE. There is no AMD reference to this ANYWHERE, are you making this stuff up? Either find AMD documentation stating this specifically for Mantle or just stop saying it. AMD states that Mantle requires GCN, period, end of story.
2 of your links only says that GCN got ACE.
And the last link says:
Asynchronous compute queue for overlapping of compute and graphics workloads.
So you have proven absolutely nothing of the claims you made.
Why the constant exclamation marks?It is distracting and annoying to read.imho,
When AMD releases the SDK, nVidia probably could create a driver to support it but is it worth spending precious resources on it ? Probably not!
One of my constructive nit-picks with ATI and now AMD is they may of felt that pro-active developer relations, investments in software were more marketing exercises and if we build the hardware the rest would follow!
Now as of late, AMD customers are seeing AMD invest into features like TRessFX and mantle and quite frankly wonderful to see!
Mantle is innovative, risky, welcomed, more efficient and brings competition and choice, brings awareness so industry standards may mature and evolve!
It's nice to see AMD risk instead of playing it safe! Standards are essential, paramount and make sense but in a very competitive landscape they can also restrain innovation and choices!
Proprietary is a nasty word to some but to move forward one has the ability to risk and bring more choice that the market may reward!
Mantle supports AC, DX 11.2 doesn't. Show me where it says DX 11.2 has AC support. I can't find it.
No. There is a specific feature which both DX 12 (the one that runs on current hardware) and Mantle support but DX 11.2 doesn't.
Common, you have to know this.
I even had to help you by telling you that Kepler and Maxwell supports it via the HyperQ.
Yea, since NV is not interested in Mantle why do we even bother if Mantle is NV hardware compatible ??
It's part of CUDA 2.0 so Fermi (at least the Tesla cards) support it. It is possible Fermi Geforce cards don't if they only had in their professional grade cards at that time.
Yea, since NV is not interested in Mantle why do we even bother if Mantle is NV hardware compatible ??
Why the constant exclamation marks?It is distracting and annoying to read.
If Nvidia doesn't care about mantle so what?
Because when Intel creates a driver for mantle......that will be nearly 70% of the market that uses mantle....
Its not if Intel does.....its when... we have a couple more months before sdk will be released.....
Yes I think that if Mantle cannot surpass DirectX in features and usability then it(Mantle) will die like so many other technologies that simply did not catch on for various reasons.Because they're subjectively stronger, emotional, opinionated wording!
I think nVidia does care! Based on there are improvements in efficiency and what person in their right mind is against efficiency?!
I believe nVidia likes or cares about the efficiency aspects but spending resources for a proprietary gaming API is not wise based on division and fragmentation; and is wiser to focus on current industry standards. Work and focus on getting the most efficiency out of DirectX 11 instead of offering it doesn't go far enough; and focus on DirectX 12 moving forward.
Wait, you know you are talking about Nvidia right? PhysX, Gsync, CUDA, GameWorks etc. these are all proprietary, closed systems. And DirectX is proprietary, I'm amazed how many people don't seem to realize this.I believe nVidia likes or cares about the efficiency aspects but spending resources for a proprietary gaming API is not wise based on division and fragmentation; and is wiser to focus on current industry standards. Work and focus on getting the most efficiency out of DirectX 11 instead of offering it doesn't go far enough; and focus on DirectX 12 moving forward.
I doubt it with the announcement of DirectX 12! Why would Intel spend resources on Mantle and DirectX 12?
Yes I think that if Mantle cannot surpass DirectX in features and usability then it(Mantle) will die like so many other technologies that simply did not catch on for various reasons.
Yes I think that if Mantle cannot surpass DirectX in features and usability then it(Mantle) will die like so many other technologies that simply did not catch on for various reasons.
If AMD ports it to Linux, its an even bigger deal.
It doesn't have to surpass though, as it is not linked to an OS. If it can be as good or nearly as good and keep running on Win7/8 and deliver performance and features... then it will continue to have a place in the market.
I want Mantle to succeed.Nvidia needs to be kept in check in terms of their prices.I hope for 50/50% market share in discrete cards.DirectX 12 will inevitably require windows 8. The fact that mantle can run on Windows 7 is a big deal. If AMD ports it to Linux, its an even bigger deal. Although I know a linux port is probably a year or two away. Mantle 1.0 will get it out there in a stable releasable form for everybody to use. Mantle 2.0 is going to add features and expand on what is already there.
DX12 first and formost isn't for PC but to save Xbox1.....MS still doesn't care about PC gamers; they would rather have everyone locked into Xbox platform......
To make it a Mantle/AMD shortcoming rather than an nVidia decision. nVidia said they aren't going to support it, not that they can't.
Interchangable - we already know that mantle will port very easy to dx 12; and dx 12 to mantle.....there is a reason for that......