DT Kabini

[Phynaz]

The Quad Core 2GHz Kabini will be faster both in CPU and iGPU with lower consumption and an upgrade path than the Dual core 1.8GHz Celeron at almost the same price. The Celeron 1037U becomes an obsolete product.

Except AMD is positioning this against Pentium, not Celeron.

 

[Abwx]

a6-5200 20-32W
cinebench single|multi [0.51| 1.75]
3dmark graphics [31087]
~$80-90

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-IdeaPad-S415-59399720-Notebook.110457.0.html

The A4 5000 1.5GHZ do 1.5 in cinebench , the A4 5200
score should be 2 , 1.75 is well below the margin of error,
a prove that notebookcheck is publishing false scores.

 

[monstercameron]

The A4 5000 1.5GHZ do 1.5 in cinebench , the A4 5200
score should be 2 , 1.75 is well below the margin of error,
a prove that notebookcheck is publishing false scores.

nope, I just posted the lowest score to prove a point.

 

[Abwx]

I think the fact that this was announced three days ago and only now got thread created shows what the interest level in this is.

Again, AMD's marketing fails. Future proof yourself with a CPU they specifically make an effort to point out has Windows XP compatibility .

You noticed that only hardware.fr gave prices yesterday or so,
hence why i did the thread, [redacted]

Thread crapping will not be tolerated. Between this and the other, worse posts that I have completely removed, you will be on vacation for some time.
-ViRGE

 

[AtenRa]

Except AMD is positioning this against Pentium, not Celeron.

Pentium cost even more than cheap Celerons and it has double the TDP + one more chipset in the motherboard than Kabini.

 

[monstercameron]

possible pricing

 

[Phynaz]

Pentium cost even more than cheap Celerons and it has double the TDP + one more chipset in the motherboard than Kabini.

Go talk to AMD, that's strait from their mouth.

 

[SPBHM]

The Quad Core 2GHz Kabini will be faster both in CPU and iGPU with lower consumption and an upgrade path than the Dual core 1.8GHz Celeron at almost the same price. The Celeron 1037U becomes an obsolete product.

the thing is, if you look at the nbcheck benchmarks the Celeron is still clearly faster on ST and slower on MT but that's 2c vs 4c, 1.8 vs 2.0, if the 2GHz Kabini is $60 product like on the last graph, that's $10-15 more than a 2.7GHz Haswel (1820) obviously this means performance vs lower power draw basically, and I think the cheapest mitx h81 board is like $50 (but you mentioned upgrade path, these can run i7s, the AM1 board can't go higher than 2ghz kabini right now), the 1037U would probably only be competing in price with the slower "Sempron" variations anyway, if the more or less $70 price for board+cpu stays the same,

the best potential I'm seeing right now for this and quad core bay trail on desktop is for OEMs to sell slower CPUs and save some money on the PSU/cooling while advertising "quad core" and not dual core that's a win, replace your current 2.6GHz IB celeron cheap PC with a 1.4GHz quad core and there you go.

obviously Kabini can be a compelling option for small DIY PCs, basic HTPCs and so on, like the 1037u, 1007u/ 847, E-350, Atom and other boards have been for years, but I'm not seeing the socket part as such a huge win, but just something that can inflate prices overall, maybe I'm wrong and AMD is not only going to release 100MHz rebrands, and price will go down quickly.

you know what would be great to come along with the socket? OC, Intel is never going to allow that.

 

[Phynaz]

I'll just put this here for reference.

You've got to admit that saying "Avoid a dead end platform" when they pimp that they have XP compatibility is funny.

 

[piesquared]

possible pricing

Nice prices! I think i'll pick one of the Athlons.

 

[coercitiv]

you know what would be great to come along with the socket? OC, Intel is never going to allow that.

Oh yeah, I'd buy one just for that

 

[Phynaz]

If someone comes up with a cheap NUC like package for this I may pick one up to mess around with.

 

[AtenRa]

Go talk to AMD, that's strait from their mouth.

I didnt question AMDs positioning of Kabini Desktop products, I have simple pointed out that Pentium is more expensive with double the TDP and an extra chipset that adds more power consumption and makes Motherboards more expensive.
But now that we are talking about it, it seams that AMD at last they have the smaller die(SoC vs CPU + Chipset) with a cheaper process(TSMC 28nm bulk) and a high street price. All those will make margins go high.

Edit: and just to clear this, they(AMD) are talking about ATOM based Pentiums and not Haswell.

 

[AtenRa]

the thing is, if you look at the nbcheck benchmarks the Celeron is still clearly faster on ST and slower on MT but that's 2c vs 4c, 1.8 vs 2.0, if the 2GHz Kabini is $60 product like on the last graph, that's $10-15 more than a 2.7GHz Haswel (1820) obviously this means performance vs lower power draw basically, and I think the cheapest mitx h81 board is like $50 (but you mentioned upgrade path, these can run i7s, the AM1 board can't go higher than 2ghz kabini right now), the 1037U would probably only be competing in price with the slower "Sempron" variations anyway, if the more or less $70 price for board+cpu stays the same,

the best potential I'm seeing right now for this and quad core bay trail on desktop is for OEMs to sell slower CPUs and save some money on the PSU/cooling while advertising "quad core" and not dual core that's a win, replace your current 2.6GHz IB celeron cheap PC with a 1.4GHz quad core and there you go.

obviously Kabini can be a compelling option for small DIY PCs, basic HTPCs and so on, like the 1037u, 1007u/ 847, E-350, Atom and other boards have been for years, but I'm not seeing the socket part as such a huge win, but just something that can inflate prices overall, maybe I'm wrong and AMD is not only going to release 100MHz rebrands, and price will go down quickly.

you know what would be great to come along with the socket? OC, Intel is never going to allow that.

Those prices are pre-release, i would wait for the official prices first and then make any commend. Personally i would be ok if Athlon 5350(2GHz Quad Core) would be at $60 if mini-itx motherboards are at $40-50.
Talking about performance alone Haswell Pentium will be faster, no question about it. But as i have said before, Pentium has more than double the TDP and most probable the power consumption.
Those desktop Kabinis will be competing more against ATOMs and entry level Celerons than Pentiums.
I mentioned the upgrade path against soldered Intel products like ATOMs and Celeron 1037U not against Socket 1150 CPUs.

 

[ElFenix]

atom pentiums, haswell pentiums, richland athlons, kabini athlons

MAKE IT STOP!

 

[NTMBK]

atom pentiums, haswell pentiums, richland athlons, kabini athlons

MAKE IT STOP!

Just wait until Intel releases a Quark based "Pentium". :awe:

 

[cbn]

Yeah DC thing is nice. Is there any (or upcoming) other x86 mobos (both socket and soldered CPUs) that use DC-In power adapters instead of ATX PSU? From both AMD and Intel.

All the thin mini-itx boards have DC-in.

 

[mrmt]

I think the fact that this was announced three days ago and only now got thread created shows what the interest level in this is.

Again, AMD's marketing fails. Future proof yourself with a CPU they specifically make an effort to point out has Windows XP compatibility .

Don't underestimate AMD on the bottom market, because this is the only market segment where they actually beat Intel on market share. The price is fairly high for a 100mm^2 chip that is manufactured at TSMC 28nm, meaning that they should be offering significant margins to resellers. It's not a good value proposition for the consumers, but a nice one to people selling AMD processors.

 

[AtenRa]

Don't underestimate AMD on the bottom market, because this is the only market segment where they actually beat Intel on market share. The price is fairly high for a 100mm^2 chip that is manufactured at TSMC 28nm, meaning that they should be offering significant margins to resellers. It's not a good value proposition for the consumers, but a nice one to people selling AMD processors.

Dont think so.

 

[Phynaz]

Dont think so.

Really? Where else? Assuming you mean there are others, and you aren't thinking that there's nowhere that AMD has more market share than Intel.

 

[AtenRa]

Really? Where else? Assuming you mean there are others, and you aren't thinking that there's nowhere that AMD has more market share than Intel.

You will be surprised but i meant that AMD doesn't have higher market share than Intel in the low end.

 

[Phynaz]

Yeah, I'm surprised to see you post that.

 

[cbn]

you know what would be great to come along with the socket? OC, Intel is never going to allow that.

I agree about OC, but I think I would like ECC RAM capability more.

the 1037U would probably only be competing in price with the slower "Sempron" variations anyway, if the more or less $70 price for board+cpu stays the same.

Yes, and at the same price level ($60 to $70 for the cpu and mobo) 1037U will probably be much faster, but these Jaguar cores do come with AES-NI (so for some niche applications AM1 could end up being speedier)

 

[Homeles]

You know, I may not be the biggest fan of Jaguar's somewhat underwhelming CPU performance, but I'm really happy with the new market that's been created.

I suppose it's been around before, but only now have components started getting good enough to consider using for a budget build. I think we're still a generation off (Beema/Mullins and Cherry Trail) before we hit the "good enough" computing levels, but I like what I see.

The AM1 socket is really interesting, although the naming is rather ridiculous and is surely going to confuse some people. Given the high level of integration, the socket should have some decent longevity to it, and should last until a DDR4 version of the cat cores rolls out.

 

[Xpage]

Probably will be quite awhile before a DDR 4 version similar to this will be out. Likely after Beema/Mullins. I'd guess 1 cycle refresh then new socket for DDR4 in 2016