DT Kabini

[Shivansps]

This should be compared to old U Celerons, as well as BT-D dual and quads parts, and 1150 Celerons and Pentium combos, they are all on the same price range.

 

[mrmt]

Really? Where else? Assuming you mean there are others, and you aren't thinking that there's nowhere that AMD has more market share than Intel.

AMD is leader on the netbook marketing, they are trying to bring the same value proposition they offer to OEMs to desktop resellers. Remember that slide, "why partner with AMD"? There you got it.

 

[Shivansps]

I just realised about the PCI-E thing... that is a big problem, if a 2.05ghz Athlons cost 65 thats already about just $15 less than a Quad BT board, that is fanless, uses less power and is good enoght as the Athlon for about everything except gaming.

And is also just $5 cheaper than a Pentium G3220, that is better at a higher TDP, not just about actual power comsuption, that needs to be tested, and there are also $45 H81 1150 mbs around that provides both more sata and full pci-e.

And im not even considering Celerons.

So... i dont get it, this is intended only for people that wants a ITX mb, with higher IGP than BT, sacrificing fan and power? and at the same time the IGP is not that good either?

 

[monstercameron]

I just realised about the PCI-E thing... that is a big problem, if a 2.05ghz Athlons cost 65 thats already about just $15 less than a Quad BT board, that is fanless, uses less power and is good enoght as the Athlon for about everything except gaming.

And is also just $5 cheaper than a Pentium G3220, that is better at a higher TDP, not just about actual power comsuption, that needs to be tested, and there are also $45 H81 1150 mbs around that provides both more sata and full pci-e.

And im not even considering Celerons.

So... i dont get it, this is intended only for people that wants a ITX mb, with higher IGP than BT, sacrificing fan and power? and at the same time the IGP is not that good either?

firstly, we arent clear on power consumption of baytrail desktop parts, it isnt as clear as what we saw with baytrail tablet parts vs AMD notebooks. What we do know is that they are comparable in terms of CPU and the GPU edge goes to AMD. They have similar amounts and types of connectors, similar formfactors but we aren't sure of the prices in the US or the rest of the world.

as for the ivy/haswell celerons/pentiums, AMD has cheap trinity/richland on fm2/+ where they do their regular tango[cpu, gpu, connectors etc.].

also bringing yp the point that kabini's gpu is not very performant yet not stating clearly that baytrail should be even lesser isn't very fair.

aside:
just found these on newegg, good combo?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...iption=habey&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100

 

[Shivansps]

Power need to be tested, agreed, still im not gona buy a AM1 cpu for a HTPC if it needs a fan, im gona go for the BT board, because its cheaper, fanless and its likely to use less power, the IGP part im not sure how relevant it will be because is not that good either, i dont need to state that BT igp is worse, we all know that.

Im gona be crystal clear here, if i plan to do a desktop pc why should i even think about going to AM1 if for $5 to $10 max more i can get a G3220+H81? here TDP and Power are not that important, and personally i dont think its gona be a considerable power gap either. And dont forget about the Celerons, anything in 1150 seems to be a better choise performance/price on mATX format.

This seems to be especially targeting BT-D on mITX, and its main advantages will be IGP, AES-NI XP support and a socket? for higher price, tdp(fan) and power? and the IGP is not that good either? no thanks, if they have incluided a better PCI-E it could have been better because you can do a few more things with it.

Its a niche market, at best. They still gona sell it a lot outside on US, i can already see AM1 + Dual/Quad Semprons flooding the market here, with a awful slow performance but seeling them anyway, because its a quad.

 

[monstercameron]

Power need to be tested, agreed, still im not gona buy a AM1 cpu for a HTPC if it needs a fan, im gona go for the BT board, because its cheaper, fanless and its likely to use less power, the IGP part im not sure how relevant it will be because is not that good either, i dont need to state that BT igp is worse, we all know that.

Im gona be crystal clear here, if i plan to do a desktop pc why should i even think about going to AM1 if for $5 to $10 max more i can get a G3220+H81? here TDP and Power are not that important, and personally i dont think its gona be a considerable power gap either. And dont forget about the Celerons, anything in 1150 seems to be a better choise performance/price on mATX format.

firstly dont admit we need more testing then go on to then claim the same thing again...

again we arent concrete on any of the prices, so assuming that AM1 is more expensive than a baytrail system or g3220+H81 isnt quite accurate.

Also what is stopping the AM1 apus from being fanless? again you are assuming, these parts all have under 25W TDp, so a large enough heat sink could do just fine

 

[Shivansps]

dont forget that we ALREADY have soldered Kabinis, those have fans. http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?DetailID=1497&MenuID=106&LanID=0
BT-D(J1900) is just 10W and they have HUGE heat sinks...

And personally i dont think AM1 will end up using less power than BT-D platform, they have a chance on that area vs 1150 platform, but i dont see that happening vs BT-D.

And im talking about prices we see so far, in fact, AMD talked about $70 for a quad.

 

[Enigmoid]

Power

Dual Core baytrail.

However that is anything but an efficient system with an 860W PSU (platnium still isn't going to be efficient at <3% loads).

I think instead of looking at absolute power the delta may be more representative of CPU power consumption. Baytrail barely budges and the celeron seems also to have <15 W power delta though much higher idle power.

 

[monstercameron]

dont forget that we ALREADY have soldered Kabinis, those have fans. http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Product/Product_Detail.aspx?DetailID=1497&MenuID=106&LanID=0
BT-D(J1900) is just 10W and they have HUGE heat sinks...

And personally i dont think AM1 will end up using less power than BT-D platform, they have a chance on that area vs 1150 platform, but i dont see that happening vs BT-D.

And im talking about prices we see so far, in fact, AMD talked about $70 for a quad.

the ecs models has been out for a while but that is a soldiered solution, that doesnt mean that is has to have a fan fir the sockets version.

also AMD stated [http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/03/amd-touts-new-low-cost-desktop-chipset-calls-intels-a-dead-end/] ~$60USD for chip and mobo not the chip solo.

as for power if there is much of a difference, it cant be more than 5-10W, which is such a negligible difference when we are talking about 15-30W power draw range.

 

[Abwx]

That s a convenient thread to point this nice MB, too bad it s BGA...

http://techreport.com/news/26397/mobile-kabini-wi-fi-module-team-up-for-asrock-mini-itx-board

 

[Abwx]

All options considered this MB + BGA is not pricier than an equivalent solution using
an AM1 board + Athlon 5150.

6 x USB 3.0 (2 Front, 4 Rear), 6 x USB 2.0, 4 x SATA3, 1 x COM Port Header
Graphics Output Options : D-Sub, DVI-D, HDMI, DisplayPort
WLAN : 1 x 802.11b/g/n Module

http://geizhals.at/eu/asrock-qc5000-itx-wifi-a1107612.html

 

[Ancalagon44]

I hope they bring Mullins and Beema to AM1 soon. I wonder if they are pin compatible with existing AM1 boards?

I would love to buy one, but I think what I need first is an 11 to 13 inch Mullins or Beema notebook. Then I can look into buying a mini ITX AM1 for use as a media player.

 

[Abwx]

Mullins/Beema are BGA only and are pin or rather ball compatible with MBs like the one above but i think it s unlikely that they ll replace the current Kabini BGA APU anytime soon let alone be granted AM1 socket format, not before Q3 2014 or 2015.

For the time theses chips are sold exclusively to OEMs and we should see products on the first week of june although i ve knowledge only of the list posted by Monstercammeron and there is only Beema offerings in cheap laptops, quite possible that Mullins will be used in the smaller such form factors with 10.1-13.3" screens as it makes more sense for theses than 15W parts, particularly below 13.3".

 

[Abwx]

Time to resurect opportunisticly this thread for a valuable info about the AM1 plateform APUs..

Datasheet of the Athlon (and Sempron apparently) APUs, page 5 :

http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/53738_PDS_Athlon.pdf

Integrated Memory Controller

FS1b package

Support ECC

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

I'll just put this here for reference.

You've got to admit that saying "Avoid a dead end platform" when they pimp that they have XP compatibility is funny.

Windows XP is probably going to still be in use for another 5 - 7 years in the embedded market. Low power AM1 motherboards/cpus are a good fit for embedded applications.

This is probably good for a chuckle -- but Windows XP usage actually increased in June 2014.....
(and Windows 8 actually lost a bit)
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsof...lined-in-june-while-xp-usage-increased-245339

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

the ecs models has been out for a while but that is a soldiered solution, that doesnt mean that is has to have a fan fir the sockets version.

also AMD stated [http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...cost-desktop-chipset-calls-intels-a-dead-end/] ~$60USD for chip and mobo not the chip solo.

as for power if there is much of a difference, it cant be more than 5-10W, which is such a negligible difference when we are talking about 15-30W power draw range.

If you shop around -- you can buy a Quad Core Sempron 3850 with a motherboard for $60. I know someone who built one for a NAS and they seem happy with it.

 

[Erenhardt]

Time to resurect opportunisticly this thread for a valuable info about the AM1 plateform APUs..

Datasheet of the Athlon (and Sempron apparently) APUs, page 5 :

http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/53738_PDS_Athlon.pdf

Integrated Memory Controller

FS1b package

Support ECC

Wait, what? That puts intel server series haswell-e chips to shame:

It is a mistake, isn't it?

 

[Chicken76]

Regarding ECC support, it seems some people have been able to enable it on some Asus mobos. See this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1495837/ecc-works-on-am1

It only seems to work on Asus so far, just as with AM3+.
If if's true, kudos to Asus for supporting ECC in their BIOSes.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Windows XP is probably going to still be in use for another 5 - 7 years in the embedded market. Low power AM1 motherboards/cpus are a good fit for embedded applications.

I'm still seeing OS/2 being deployed in embedded. Add a decade to those estimates.

 

[NTMBK]

Wait, what? That puts intel server series haswell-e chips to shame:

It is a mistake, isn't it?

Those aren't server series chips, they are crippled "enthusiast" parts. Server CPUs are the Xeon E5s.

 

[Shivansps]

OK today i did this test, bah, the 1037U was tested a few days ago, 3dmark runs of Sempron 2650 vs Celeron 1037U running both on DDR3-1333 ST mem, Sempron 1650 give me a focus error on fire strike and i did not have time to test again, sorry.

1037U
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3946943

2650
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/4023292

I also tryied unpluging the fan on 2650, no-go, it gets too hot.

Newegg, ECS NM70-I2 $70, 2650+AM1 $75