DT Kabini

[Abwx]

Anand published an article about two Asus MBs for Kabini, Hardware.fr did the same but specified the public prices wich are 34€ with 21% VAT included , that is in France and in Europe, this should translate to 40$ at most in US shops.

http://www.hardware.fr/news/13602/am1-asus-33-9-mini-itx-micro-atx.html

The SoCs prices according to Hardware.fr :

- Sempron 2650 : 2C, 1.45 GHz, HD 8240 (400 MHz), about 35$
- Sempron 3850 : 4C, 1.3 GHz, HD 8280 (450 MHz), about 39$
- Athlon 5150 : 4C, 1.6 GHz, HD 8400 (600 MHz)
- Athlon 5350 : 4C, 2.05 GHz, HD 8400 (600 MHz), about 59$

http://www.hardware.fr/news/13598/amd-annonce-plateforme-am1.html

I guess this will dramaticaly reduce the PCs average prices.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7833/asus-amd-am1-approach-am1ia-and-am1ma-announced

There s an Asrock mini ITX with a DC 19V PSU connector but no
price so far....

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AM1H-ITX/

 

[SiliconWars]

I could be tempted by a mini-ITX. Think I'll probably end up with an A8-7600 instead though...

 

[Abwx]

Same here, i m tempted by the Asrock because of the DC connector
but also the added Sata controler that add two connector for a total
of 4 while the Asus have only two.

Sure that a 7600 is much more appealing but it costs as much
as a 2G 4C Kabini + MB + RAM....

 

[SPBHM]

$40 for MB and $40-60 for the CPU!? that's not impressive compared to those 1037U boards and so on, now the socket part of it is interesting, as long as they release faster CPUs for it (not just rebranded or 100Mhz faster)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138393

 

[Abwx]

A combo is less expensive than buying the items separately, you can expect
APU + MB to be less than the simple addition of their respective prices,
besides the 40-60$ is an official price the same way the celeron is recomended at 75$ by intel, as for the MB generaly , for some reason, the european price with VAT match the US price in absolute value , that is 34€ become 34$ without VAT in the US...

 

[mrmt]

$40 for MB and $40-60 for the CPU!? that's not impressive compared to those 1037U boards and so on, now the socket part of it is interesting, as long as they release faster CPUs for it (not just rebranded or 100Mhz faster)

This. It will be a repeat of the mobile market, where Kabini is sandwiched between the power sipping Bay Trail and the better performer Celeron.

 

[AtenRa]

$40 for MB and $40-60 for the CPU!? that's not impressive compared to those 1037U boards and so on, now the socket part of it is interesting, as long as they release faster CPUs for it (not just rebranded or 100Mhz faster)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138393

The Quad Core 2GHz Kabini will be faster both in CPU and iGPU with lower consumption and an upgrade path than the Dual core 1.8GHz Celeron at almost the same price. The Celeron 1037U becomes an obsolete product.

 

[GaiaHunter]

A combo is less expensive than buying the items separately, you can expect
APU + MB to be less than the simple addition of their respective prices,
besides the 40-60$ is an official price the same way the celeron is recomended at 75$ by intel, as for the MB generaly , for some reason, the european price with VAT match the US price in absolute value , that is 34€ become 34$ without VAT in the US...

I hope you aren't complaining since €34=$47 and $34=€24.50.

 

[podspi]

The Quad Core 2GHz Kabini will be faster both in CPU and iGPU with lower consumption and an upgrade path than the Dual core 1.8GHz Celeron at almost the same price. The Celeron 1037U becomes an obsolete product.

Only in MT code. Depending on your use case the 1037U could still be the better option.


One of these days I really want to replace my Athlon2X4 with one of these lower powered CPUs and go fanless.

 

[monstercameron]

more boards out there
http://www.pcper.com/news/Motherboards/Biostar-Launches-AM1M-AM1-Platform-Motherboard-Series
from biostar

http://www.pcper.com/news/Motherboards/MSI-Launches-AM1I-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-Socketed-Kabini-SoCs
from msi

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4937#ov
from gigabyte

<sarcasm>atleast AMD finally solved their mini-itx shortage</sarcasm>

 

[ShintaiDK]

AM1 platform? Lol. Tho was the brilliant mind behind that one.

And its no match for Celerons.

As mrmt said, its simply another AMD product that falls between 2 chairs. But cat cores is their last hope for a x86 future, so they have to try something.

Shintai, once again your flippant and disrespectful attitude has cost you your freedom. You are by all means free to believe (and state) that this is an inferior product, but the attitude and the thread crapping need to go.
-ViRGE

 

[tweakboy]

Good CPU for the money. gl

 

[piesquared]

Very nice. I'll pick one of these up for my son and I to put together. Perfect for some mainstream gaming and learning, and we'll be able to upgrade down the road. Excellent platform as a cost effective mainstream computer. I'm reluctant to start him off without a keyboard and mouse, i think tablets are just too 'dumb' to learn on. I wouldn't consider a baytrail system as they are just too limited and kids like gaming, which would be severly handicapped with an intel system.

 

[sm625]

There's no way a 4 core 2GHz kabini would be faster than a 2 core 1.8GHz celeron in any reasonable use case. I'd rather have 2 celeron cores than 48 kabini cores.

 

[Sweepr]

Very nice. I'll pick one of these up for my son and I to put together. Perfect for some mainstream gaming and learning

Yeah right. Good luck with 2014 mainstream PC gaming using an IGP that gets outclassed by 2012 ULV IB IGP. Bay Trail is worse but that doenst change the fact that its still pretty slow for a new (gaming) system.

 

[monstercameron]

There's no way a 4 core 2GHz kabini would be faster than a 2 core 1.8GHz celeron in any reasonable use case. I'd rather have 2 celeron cores than 48 kabini cores.

ever heard of multithreading? troll much?

@sweepr

Yeah right. Good luck with 2014 mainstream PC gaming using an IGP that gets outclassed by 2012 ULV IB IGP. Bay Trail is worse but that doenst change the fact that its still pretty slow for a new (gaming) system.
Today 10:04 AM

depends on what kids would be playing but minecraft, batman and plenty of other games are playable [at lowered resolutions]

playable games playlist
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhmn6eRX06LUxuHLf3aJFyuuqEaDCeQjD

also
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2343102&highlight=

faster but not such a huge gap.

 

[piesquared]

Yeah right. Good luck with 2014 mainstream PC gaming using an IGP that gets outclassed by 2012 ULV IB IGP. Bay Trail is worse but that doenst change the fact that its still pretty slow for a new (gaming) system.

I'd rather not handicap my kid's first PC with the worst graphics and drivers available, so intel is out. Since gaming will be a big part of what he does, why would i even consider intel? Everyone knows AMD is the hands down leader there, it's pretty disingenuous to claim otherwise. And like i said, it's a build opportunity that lets him learn the basics of how a computer works. Having a soldered on CPU doesn't feel like it would have the same educational value as being able to put it in the socket himself. AM1 is a perfect fit for his first build.

Besides, i'm trying to teach him values, fair play and honesty. intel seems to go against everything that stands for.

 

[Sweepr]

AM1 platform? Lol. Tho was the brilliant mind behind that one.

And its no match for Celerons.

As mrmt said, its simply another AMD product that falls between 2 chairs. But cat cores is their last hope for a x86 future, so they have to try something.

This. A cheapo Haswell Celeron demolishes Kabini's ST performance and still manages to beat it by a respectable margin in MT stuff. Heck, even the GT1 IGP would be faster. If you're looking for the lowest power comsumption then it gets bested by 10W TDP quad-core Bay Trail-D with similar CPU performance and good enough IGP for basic office use/HD video playback (lots of browser games and older titles would also work fine).

 

[cbn]

There s an Asrock mini ITX with a DC 19V PSU connector but no
price so far....

http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AM1H-ITX/

The optional use of the DC-In power is a pretty awesome feature IMO. I'm also glad to see the additional SATA ports.

 

[monstercameron]

This. A cheapo Haswell Celeron demolishes Kabini's ST performance and still manages to beat it by a respectable margin in MT stuff. Heck, even the GT1 IGP would be faster. If you're looking for the lowest power comsumption then it gets bested by 10W TDP quad-core Bay Trail-D with similar CPU performance and good enough IGP for basic office use/HD video playback (lots of browser games and older titles would also work fine).

really? I know comparing across different laptops may not be fair but:

celeron 847 25-32W
cinebench single|multi [.40|0.72]
3dmark graphics [6000]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-250-G2-F0Z00EA-Notebook.112321.0.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138368 [$64]


pentium N3510 15-20W - read baytrail
cinebench single|multi [.25|1.48]
3dmark graphics [18288]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP-250-G2-F0Z00EA-Notebook.112321.0.html


celeron 1017U 20-25W
cinebench single|multi [0.61|1.3]
3dmark graphics [18903]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V5-131-10172G50akk-Notebook.102564.0.html


celeron 1037U ?
cinebench single|multi [0.75|1.45]
3dmark graphics [23424]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128679 [$68]


Celeron 2955U 25-26W
cinebench single|multi [0.61|1.14]
3dmark graphics [22077]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-E1-532-Notebook.107877.0.html


a6-5200 20-32W
cinebench single|multi [0.51| 1.75]
3dmark graphics [31087]
~$80-90

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-IdeaPad-S415-59399720-Notebook.110457.0.html


i3-3217u 34-40W
cinebench single|multi [0.76| 1.78]
3dmark graphics [33111]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Taichi-31-CX003H-Convertible-Ultrabook.92862.0.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813176014 [$260]

so you tell me what is the fastest solution? perf/watt?

 

[AtenRa]

Intel Celeron 1037U

vs

AMD A6-5200

There is simple no competition and if we take the power consumption in to account things are turning very ugly for that Intel Celeron.
If prices are correct, at sub $100 you get an exceptional CPU/iGPU performance at 25W TDP and Mini-iTX form factor.

 

[Sweepr]

really? I know comparing across different laptops may not be fair but:

You know that (totally different platforms and systems), yet you compared the fastest 25W Kabini to the slowest 7.5W Bay Trail-M Pentium notebook chip (EOLed model) and you're trying to argue CPU perf/watt based on this biased/flawed comparison. Meh.

 

[seitur]

The optional use of the DC-In power is a pretty awesome feature IMO. I'm also glad to see the additional SATA ports.

Yeah DC thing is nice. Is there any (or upcoming) other x86 mobos (both socket and soldered CPUs) that use DC-In power adapters instead of ATX PSU? From both AMD and Intel.

 

[monstercameron]

You know that (totally different platforms and systems), yet you compared the fastest 25W Kabini to the slowest 7.5W Bay Trail-M Pentium notebook chip (EOLed model) and you're trying to argue CPU perf/watt based on this biased/flawed comparison. Meh.

its more or less flawed than your total BS anecdotal claims. AMD has a good part here in comparison to its intel counterparts. the single threaded perf claim is true but overblown, your multihtreaded claims are false and your gpu claims are also false.

 

[Phynaz]

I think the fact that this was announced three days ago and only now got thread created shows what the interest level in this is.

Again, AMD's marketing fails. Future proof yourself with a CPU they specifically make an effort to point out has Windows XP compatibility .