Dubai Debt Delay Rattles Stock, Bond Markets

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Dubai Debt Delay Rattles Stock, Bond Markets
Published: Thursday, 26 Nov 2009 | 6:25 AM ET

By: Reuters

Shares in banks, builders and companies part-owned in the Middle East fell around the world on Thursday and investors sought safety in government bonds on worries about Dubai's ability to pay its debts.

Sterling fell as exposure focused on UK banks, and euro zone government bond futures hit their highest level since late April, breaking out of the trading range that has been in place since June as risk aversion prompted by the crisis kicked in.

"The Dubai story is weighing heavily on stock markets and people are looking to safe-havens so there's some flight to quality again," said Charles Berry, a trader at LBBW.

The euro broke above 91 pence for the first time in a month to hit a high of 91.29 pence.

"There are concerns regarding the extent of the exposure of the UK banks to Dubai, hence sterling is coming under pressure," said Ian Stannard, currency strategist at BNP Paribas.

European bank shares fell over 3 percent on concern about potential exposure.

Dubai said on Wednesday that two of its key firms, Nakheel and Dubai World, plan to delay repayment on billions of dollars of debt.

Companies where Middle Eastern investors own big stakes, such as the London Stock Exchange [LSE-LN 779.00 -34.50 (-4.24%)] were also hit by concern the holdings could be cut to meet obligations at home.

By 1020 GMT the DJ Stoxx European bank index was down 3.5 percent at 221.7 points.

The fall was led by HSBC [HSBA-LN 709.03 -32.10 (-4.33%)], Standard Chartered [STAN-LN 1665.00 -60.50 (-3.76%)], Barclays [BARC-LN 306.34 -12.30 (-3.89%)], Deutsche Bank and Royal Bank of Scotland [RBS-LN 35.00 -1.505 (-4.21%)], whose shares all fell over 4 percent.

In Seoul, shares in construction issues fell, with Samsung C&T leading losses as investor concerns focused on Dubai's once booming construction sector.

A Samsung C&T spokesman said that the company was currently working on a $350 million project awarded by Nakheel in 2007.

"So far, we have not had any problems with the project," he said.

Shares in Hyundai Engineering & Construction were down 4.41 percent and Samsung Engineering fell 2.16 percent as of 0458 GMT.

Nakheel's Islamic bond prices extended losses, falling 12 points to 72, their lowest since February, according to Reuters data.

Debt Delay

Dubai said on Wednesday that two firms planned to delay repayment of debt as a first step toward restructuring Dubai World, the conglomerate that spearheaded the emirate's breakneck growth.

The news has sent the cost of insuring Dubai's debt against default soaring and bond prices tumbling. State-run Dubai World has $59 billion of liabilities, its subsidiary Nakheel said in August, a large proportion of Dubai's total debt of $80 billion.

"This was a surprise to all bankers, and probably to the management of DW as banks had been progressing well with refinancing discussions," a senior loans banker active in the Gulf said on Thursday.

"It sounds like a political decision taken right at the top which has caused Dubai immense PR damage. This is very serious and will have implications across the region," he said.

Shares in the LSE dropped as much as 8.8 percent to 742.5 pence, on worries that 22-percent-shareholder Borsa Dubai might sell down its stake.

"Given that Borse Dubai, which is also state-owned, holds a big stake in the LSE, investors are obviously concerned about whether the situation in Dubai could lead to an off-loading of the holding," one London-based trader said.

German carmaker Porsche, in which the Qatari Investment Authority holds a stake of about 10 percent, was another casualty, dropping as much as 9.9 percent.

"Everything that is in Arabian hands is getting sold at the moment," said a Frankfurt-based trader.

Luxury auto peer Daimler, in which Abu Dhabi's Aabar Investments owns a 9.1 percent stake and Kuwait another 6.9 percent stake, also fell, as did British grocer J Sainsbury [SBRY-LN 333.00 -4.80 (-1.44%)], in which the QIA owns about 26 percent.

The U.S. market is closed for the Thanksgiving holiday on Thursday, which could add to volatile market conditions.

A spokesman for Standard Chartered, which is based in London but operates in Asia, the Middle East and Africa, said the bank did not comment on specific clients but was aware of its disclosure requirements.

Deutsche Bank and RBS declined to comment, and HSBC and Barclays were not immediately available.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574557594180305828.html

Spreads on Dubai Sovereign CDS Leap

By MARK BROWN

The cost of insuring Dubai's sovereign debt against default rocketed Wednesday after Dubai World announced a six-month standstill on its debt.

Dubai's five-year sovereign credit default swap spreads leaped to 428.7 basis points, according to data provider CMA, from a closing level Tuesday of 318 basis points.

CDS are tradable, over-the-counter derivatives that function like a default insurance contract. If a borrower defaults, the protection buyer is paid compensation by the protection seller.

Dubai said Wednesday it would restructured its largest corporate entity, Dubai World, a conglomerate spanning real-estate and ports.

Dubai World, which has almost $60 billion worth of liabilities, will seek a six-month "standstill" on its debts with all lenders, the government said.

Wider spreads show the cost of default insurance is going up, suggesting investors are less confident in a borrower's ability to repay its debts.


Anyone want to buy a condo on a man made island in the sea...? cheap?
 

fallout man

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Dubai is a shit-hole.

Between using slave labor to build their castle in the sand, and their lack of foresight in thinking that the rest of the world is going to willing to rent out that castle, Dubai have proven themselves to be made of massive fail.

Fuck 'em.
 

mumedina

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Not surprised at all. Everything about Dubai seemed artificial, especially the economy. So much money was invested in that desert, but with no means for its sustainability. Water was being pumped there from miles away. I don't see how anyone would think investing in Dubai was a good idea in the long run -i n the short run, I am sure there was money to be made.
 

Acanthus

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Dubai has mountains of oil money that wont run out for 2 decades.

I would call that massive collateral.

Investors can be hilarious sometimes.
 

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http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/the_gulf/article6934261.ece

From The Times
November 27, 2009
Dubai in deep water as ripples from debt crisis spread
Patrick Hosking and David Robertson

Fears of a dangerous new phase in the economic crisis swept around the globe yesterday as traders responded to the shock announcement that a debt-laden Dubai state corporation was unable to meet its interest bill.

Shares plunged, weak currencies were battered and more than £14 billion was wiped from the value of British banks on fears that they would be left nursing new losses.

Nervous traders transferred the focus of their anxieties from the risk of companies failing to the risk of nation states defaulting. Investors owed money by Mexico, Russia and Greece saw the price of insuring themselves against default rocket.

Although the scale of Dubai’s debts is comparatively modest at $80 billion (£48 billion), the uncertainty spooked the markets, with no one sure who its creditors are. Several banks rushed out statements to reassure investors that their exposure was small.
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The FTSE 100 plunged by 171 points to 5,194 — its biggest one-day fall in eight months in one of the most jittery days in the financial markets since the depths of the banking crisis.

The Treasury, the Bank of England and the Financial Services Authority were monitoring events closely and are demanding figures from UK banks on their loan exposures to Dubai.

According to a senior government official, Dubai’s crisis is regarded as modest and manageable for Britain, but there were growing fears that Abu Dhabi, the oil-rich neighbouring emirate that has in the past given rescue loans, would leave Dubai to its fate.

Dubai World, the state-owned corporation that began the panic on Wednesday by demanding a standstill on its interest payments, worsened the mood when it postponed a teleconference for its bond holders, saying the phone lines were overwhelmed.

Gerard Lyons, chief economist with Standard Chartered, said: “The market reaction shows how vulnerable some economies are to the aftermath of the debt binge. This highlights how fragile confidence is.”

The Eid al-Adha religious holiday in the Middle East, and the closure of financial markets in the United States for Thanksgiving, exacerbated the sense of uncertainty in markets that were open for business.

A computer crash at the London Stock Exchange, which by coincidence is 21 per cent owned by the Dubai Government, left dealers unable to trade for three and a half hours.

Shares in HSBC slumped by 5 per cent, wiping £6.2 billion from its value. According to the United Arab Emirates Banks Association, HSBC has £11 billion of loans outstanding to the UAE, of which Dubai is one of seven emirates. HSBC declined to comment.

More than £2.6 billion was slashed from the value of Barclays, while Lloyds and Royal Bank of Scotland, both partly owned by the taxpayer, saw their values fall by £1.7 billion and £1.5 billion respectively.

One analyst said that the fears were overdone because Abu Dhabi would eventually come to the rescue to save the UAE from embarrassment. Dubai World has liabilities of £36 billion, about three quarters of Dubai’s total state debt. Its subsidiary Nakheel built The Palm Islands development, but the property bubble in the emirate burst a year ago, leaving buildings unfinished, debts unpaid and paper fortunes erased.
 

Ozoned

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Dubai Debt 80 billion? is chump change. A lot of tungsten and a little gold................
 

sportage

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Seeing how a while back all the media was painting Dubai as some modern day garden of eden, and 60 Minutes ran a whole story on the place, its pretty laughable now.
 

BuckNaked

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Dow Jones futures currently at -260.... may make for an interesting Black Friday.... er, no pun intended...

-284 now
 
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StageLeft

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Remember this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=266125&highlight=dubai

hehe

Dubai has mountains of oil money that wont run out for 2 decades.

I would call that massive collateral.

Investors can be hilarious sometimes.
As alluded, I believe that Dubai is actually very light on oil. It's a big bubble.

$80B is small but debt to GDP for dubai has been absolutely out of control. It is not a large economy.
 

Dari

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I always wondered who would want to vacation in one of the most violent regions in the world...
 

Parasitic

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I always wondered who would want to vacation in one of the most violent regions in the world...

And where a 15-year-old French boy who got sodomized by locals had to be prosecuted and facing jail time...
 

polarbear6

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Not surprised ... All they were doing with the money was to build artificial islands and boat shaped hotels..
 
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who didn't see this coming?
it wasn't a terrible idea, but they built too much too fast.

ok, who am i kidding. it's a horrible idea.
 

piasabird

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When something like this happens confidence in foreign investment and foreign currency decreases and confidence in the US and the Dollar Increases. This incident shows that a lot of investments may be standing on the the edge of a cliff and it just takes a little movement or lack of it in the market to push them over the edge.
 

BarneyFife

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Not really smart. When you build hotels that cost $3mil per room to construct and indoor ski hills in the desert, I really don't see how you can make money off that. Their are only so many wealthy people in the world and how many of them are going to want to go to a desert in the middle east? What a disaster. Glad that they are starting to see reality because they were definately getting ahead of themselves.
 
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