Dubai Skyscraper almost completed....

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: toekramp
Doesn't even look real.

And everyone wonders why oil costs so much.. where do you think they got all the money for investment? It begins with an O and ends with an il Speculation.

 

[NL5]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Besides, all you need to do to prevent another 9/11 is put about $50 worth of steel reinforcements on the cockpit door.

You mean you don't have to invade two countries?!?!?!?!

And besides, we've already shown how to stop it, remember PA?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Al Quaeda can take it down. Thanks for moving the bulls eye off the US for a while!

 

[Ballatician]

check this out:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com...05203_20914ddd28_o.jpg

Got it from the blog here: http://dubai-tower.blogspot.com/


I can't find the good time lapse video I saw of it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: toekramp
Topic Title: Dubai Skyscraper almost completed....
Topic Summary: holy lord.


Doesn't even look real.

At least Americans can see where some of their money went now.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

zOMG, the Muslims are building tall buildings! Quick, let's all talk about structural failure, incompetent South Asian workers, terrorist attacks and doomed economies.

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! WE OWNZ HARD!!

:roll:

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Al Quaeda can take it down. Thanks for moving the bulls eye off the US for a while!

You remind me of Steve Martin in The Jerk - sniper is trying to kill him and just misses, hitting the oil cans next to Navin - "These cans are defective!" "Someone's shooting the cans" "He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!" "Oh no! More cans! Stay away from the cans!"

In case you don't get it, Al Quaeda isn't a group of people whose mission statement says something like "we hate tall buildings." It's "We hate the U.S."

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: TuxDave
wtf... apparantly it's not tall enough for them so they're planning the next one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj

You can plan anything. Give me a piece of paper and a good press agent and I'll have plans for a 10,000 foot tower. That doesn't mean it's going to see the light of day. Al Burj is very likely vaporware and if it does get done it will almost certainly be scaled back to where it doesn't come close to Burj Dubai.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

You could fly an A380 into it and it still wouldn't go down. Properly engineered and constructed skyscrapers don't go down if a single plane hits it. I guess that tells you something about the quality of the twin towers.

Besides, all you need to do to prevent another 9/11 is put about $50 worth of steel reinforcements on the cockpit door.

This is incorrect. The fireproofing on just about all buildings has a time rating on it. In other words it's designed to protect the structural integrity for a certain length of time before it fails. They do this to increase safety so that everyone can get out of the building. It doesn't stop it from burning uncontrolled until it fails.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: middlehead

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

Why would they blow it up, they own it.

And that thing kinda looks like the central spire on Atlantis.

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

LOL its built by them you ignorant fool

better not tell E.L.F that.

So all terrorists are of arabic descent? :roll:

I remember watching a show about airline terrorism and nearly all of those terrorists have been of Arabic descent.

 

[mAdMaLuDaWg]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: middlehead

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

Why would they blow it up, they own it.

And that thing kinda looks like the central spire on Atlantis.

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

LOL its built by them you ignorant fool

better not tell E.L.F that.

So all terrorists are of arabic descent? :roll:

I remember watching a show about airline terrorism and nearly all of those terrorists have been of Arabic descent.

A lot of ignorance here...

Dubai, unlike Saudi Arabia, does not enforce Islamic Law and they live in a very liberal society. In fact, I doubt that you'd even find one instance of a terrorist who came from Dubai.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

You could fly an A380 into it and it still wouldn't go down. Properly engineered and constructed skyscrapers don't go down if a single plane hits it. I guess that tells you something about the quality of the twin towers.

Besides, all you need to do to prevent another 9/11 is put about $50 worth of steel reinforcements on the cockpit door.

:roll:

Sure... I'd like to see how you can back that up with facts. You can design a skyscraper to withstand the impact, like the twin towers did. The real problem is the heat. The terrorists picked flights that would have a good deal of fuel in the wing tanks. The fuel burned and over time weakened the steel. Extreme heat will destroy much of the things that the steel companies work to put into the steel to strengthen it. The design for the twin towers specified the time period that the steel could survive in a high temperature fire which was relatively close to the temperature of the burning jet fuel after the crash. The buildings fell just a bit after it passed that time. The buildings performed almost exactly as their specifications said they would. I'm sure the designers had only considered small hot fires, where the rest of the floor would be intact, not fires that spanned whole floors and burned ridiculously hot.

You can bring down any building. The twin towers were much better built than this tower with all the problems that they are having. They withstood one bombing attempt in its basement. I have my doubts that this tower will be able to stand under its own weight.

 

[theMan]

I was just talking to my brother who has a master's degree in civil engineering. he was telling me that a lot of engineers he's talked to have expressed concern with the building. he didn't get technical with me because he's tried that before and failed, but he didn't seem to confident in the integrity of the building. apparently a lot of corners were cut. he explained that the most dangerous part of building a building like this is the actual builders themselves. it doesn't even matter how many engineers you have, or how expensive and bright they are. if the builders don't follow the design to the EXACT specifications designed by the engineers, disaster can ensues. it even happens in this country with professionally trained workers who have certifications. usually because of budget issues where the owner cuts costs behind the backs of the engineers. it's scary stuff. they usually find out about these faults one or more years later as the engineers go back and check. some sky scrapers have been temporarily shut down because of serious flaws found. it's kind of like software design.

 

[theMan]

I was just talking to my brother, who has a master's degree in civil engineering and he was telling me that a lot of engineers he's talked to have expressed concern in the building. he didn't get technical with me because he's tried that before and failed, but he didn't seem to confident in the integrity of the building. apparently a lot of corners were cut. he explained that the most dangerous part of building a building like this is the actual builders themselves. it doesn't even matter how many engineers you have, or how expensive and bright they are. if the builders don't follow the design to the EXACT specifications designed by the engineers, disaster can ensues. it even happens in this country with professionally trained workers who have certifications. usually because of budget issues where the owner cuts costs behind the backs of the engineers. it's scary stuff. they usually find out about these faults one or more years later as the engineers go back and check. some sky scrapers have been temporarily shut down because of serious flaws found. it's kind of like software design.

 

[dennilfloss]

"Our skyscrapers will blot out the sky!"

 

[Vic]

It's sad to think how the tallest buildings in the world were in America just 7 years ago, and now we're not even close...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: theman
I was just talking to my brother, who has a master's degree in civil engineering and he was telling me that a lot of engineers he's talked to have expressed concern in the building. he didn't get technical with me because he's tried that before and failed, but he didn't seem to confident in the integrity of the building. apparently a lot of corners were cut. he explained that the most dangerous part of building a building like this is the actual builders themselves. it doesn't even matter how many engineers you have, or how expensive and bright they are. if the builders don't follow the design to the EXACT specifications designed by the engineers, disaster can ensues. it even happens in this country with professionally trained workers who have certifications. usually because of budget issues where the owner cuts costs behind the backs of the engineers. it's scary stuff. they usually find out about these faults one or more years later as the engineers go back and check. some sky scrapers have been temporarily shut down because of serious flaws found. it's kind of like software design.

I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!

You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.

So are you going to whip out your civil engineering degree now? Didn't think so.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: jpeyton

I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!

You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.

Facts? All I see is hearsay on an anonymous internet forum. If you have facts, please link your source.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!

This is an internet forum, not a scientific journal. We come here for discussion and anecdote. I found his post interesting. You need to keep your arrogant know-it-all opinions in P&N.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: jpeyton

I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!

You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.

Facts? All I see is hearsay on an anonymous internet forum. If you have facts, please link your source.

Not even from the US so you can't call it a conspiracy

I'd like to see your 'facts' because currently we're just going off of your word.

Anyways, while I'm not a civil engineer (I'm a ME) I have studied the effects of heat and degradation of strength under extreme heat. I use it every single day at work. The failures that occurred are consistent with the official explanations. Heat caused degradation of the strength, particularly making it less stiff, causing excessive flex and buckling failure. Sadly, people seem to think there is something evil going on when things happen that they are not capable of understanding. If it were any worse the public would burn scientists and engineers as witches.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: jpeyton

I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!

You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.

Facts? All I see is hearsay on an anonymous internet forum. If you have facts, please link your source.

Not even from the US so you can't call it a conspiracy

I'd like to see your 'facts' because currently we're just going off of your word.

Anyways, while I'm not a civil engineer (I'm a ME) I have studied the effects of heat and degradation of strength under extreme heat. I use it every single day at work. The failures that occurred are consistent with the official explanations. Heat caused degradation of the strength, particularly making it less stiff, causing excessive flex and buckling failure. Sadly, people seem to think there is something evil going on when things happen that they are not capable of understanding. If it were any worse the public would burn scientists and engineers as witches.

First, your link leads to this thread.

Second, they made special mixes of concrete for the Burj, to withstand the desert heat and the extreme loads.

Third, I don't think the owners of the Burj are too worried about a massive structural failure; it's being built by Samsung Engineering & Construction, who also built the Petronas Twin Towers and the Taipei 101. Good track record.

Special mixes of concrete are made to withstand the extreme pressures of the massive weight of the tower; as typical with reinforced concrete construction, each batch of concrete is tested and checked to see whether it can withstand certain pressures. The head of Concrete Quality Checking on the Burj Dubai project is Alam Feroze, who is in charge of concrete on the whole project. The concrete pumps, pipelines and booms are provided by Putzmeister AG, of Aichtal, Germany.

The consistency of the concrete on the project is essential. It was difficult to create a concrete that could withstand the thousands of tonnes bearing down on it and also withstand Gulf temperatures that can reach 50 °C (122 °F). To combat this problem, the concrete is not poured during the day. Instead, ice is added to the mixture and it is poured at night when it is cooler and the humidity is higher. A cooler concrete mixture cures evenly throughout and therefore is less likely to set too quickly and crack. Any significant cracks could put the whole project in jeopardy.

 

[MercenaryYoureFired]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
zOMG, the Muslims are building tall buildings! Quick, let's all talk about structural failure, incompetent South Asian workers, terrorist attacks and doomed economies.

AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! WE OWNZ HARD!!

:roll:

Jesus QFMFT.

 

[potato28]

I'd rather have open sky and rolling hills than that crap.

 

[SSSnail]

Yes, they may have the tallest building for now. It's great and all, but look at the location!

As far as their eyes will see, it'll just be deserts... Maybe some water...