Originally posted by: jpeyton
Your analysis has the depth of a 4th grade research paper.Originally posted by: preslove
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Ummm no. And you're welcome to provide a credible source to back that absurd theory.Originally posted by: preslove
By oil $ I mean the money spent there by oil tycoons from other Arab countries. It is a hideaway for wealthy Arabs. Once the Arabian peninsula and Iran start running out of oil, the Arabs and Iranians will stop spending lavish amounts of money there. Westerners won't make up the balance, and will stop going. At that point Dubai is fucked.
You're a pompous idiot.
Dubai is the financial services, tourism, and trading hub of the middle east. While the Middle East has been flush with oil money, Dubai has been able to take their cut and go on this huge investment boom, building huge, monumentally wasteful (in electricity and water) projects with shitty material. Once all the oil in the region starts drying up so will all the tourism, services, and trading $ that is making Dubai rich. All that wasteful construction will be worthless once they can't afford to air condition their huge buildings.
It's common fucking sense.
OMG, what is the US going to do when the oil dries up? How will we drive, move freight, produce plastics, fertilize crops, harvest crops, transport food, support the automotive industry, support the airline industry, pave our roads, etc.?
It is impossible to adapt. Might as well roll over and die.
Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
zOMG, the Muslims are building tall buildings! Quick, let's all talk about structural failure, incompetent South Asian workers, terrorist attacks and doomed economies.
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! WE OWNZ HARD!!
:roll:
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!
This is an internet forum, not a scientific journal. We come here for discussion and anecdote. I found his post interesting. You need to keep your arrogant know-it-all opinions in P&N.
Originally posted by: Modelworks
I watched several shows on the construction and engineering of that building.
With some of the 'shortcuts' they made, I would be very concerned.
The construction crews were so inept that the foreman in charge was ready to quit.
They couldn't even build a cinder block wall properly in the basement.
Another thing was that as they were building up they noticed that it wasn't constructed properly so the upper floors were leaning further and further in. The solution they used was to add more thickness to the outer walls to make it work.
I see bad things for this towers future.
Originally posted by: BillyBatson
lol I watched the same show on the science channel. I wouldn't worry this building is state of the art, it is just a tv show and liek any show they want to keep your attention and make you watch the whole thing so they had to throw in some controversyto keep you glued to the tube. For such a large and difficult project an incorrect cinder block wall is a small worry. The leaning mistake is a big deal but I am sure it would have collapsed by now if their fix wasn't good enough lol
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Special mixes of concrete are made to withstand the extreme pressures of the massive weight of the tower; as typical with reinforced concrete construction, each batch of concrete is tested and checked to see whether it can withstand certain pressures. The head of Concrete Quality Checking on the Burj Dubai project is Alam Feroze, who is in charge of concrete on the whole project. The concrete pumps, pipelines and booms are provided by Putzmeister AG, of Aichtal, Germany.
The consistency of the concrete on the project is essential. It was difficult to create a concrete that could withstand the thousands of tonnes bearing down on it and also withstand Gulf temperatures that can reach 50 °C (122 °F). To combat this problem, the concrete is not poured during the day. Instead, ice is added to the mixture and it is poured at night when it is cooler and the humidity is higher. A cooler concrete mixture cures evenly throughout and therefore is less likely to set too quickly and crack. Any significant cracks could put the whole project in jeopardy.
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
"Our skyscrapers will blot out the sky!"
Originally posted by: jpeyton
First, your link leads to this thread.
Second, they made special mixes of concrete for the Burj, to withstand the desert heat and the extreme loads.
Third, I don't think the owners of the Burj are too worried about a massive structural failure; it's being built by Samsung Engineering & Construction, who also built the Petronas Twin Towers and the Taipei 101. Good track record.
Special mixes of concrete are made to withstand the extreme pressures of the massive weight of the tower; as typical with reinforced concrete construction, each batch of concrete is tested and checked to see whether it can withstand certain pressures. The head of Concrete Quality Checking on the Burj Dubai project is Alam Feroze, who is in charge of concrete on the whole project. The concrete pumps, pipelines and booms are provided by Putzmeister AG, of Aichtal, Germany.
The consistency of the concrete on the project is essential. It was difficult to create a concrete that could withstand the thousands of tonnes bearing down on it and also withstand Gulf temperatures that can reach 50 °C (122 °F). To combat this problem, the concrete is not poured during the day. Instead, ice is added to the mixture and it is poured at night when it is cooler and the humidity is higher. A cooler concrete mixture cures evenly throughout and therefore is less likely to set too quickly and crack. Any significant cracks could put the whole project in jeopardy.
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: KLin
Originally posted by: middlehead
Why would they blow it up, they own it.Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?
And that thing kinda looks like the central spire on Atlantis.
Originally posted by: andy04
Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?
LOL its built by them you ignorant fool
better not tell E.L.F that.
So all terrorists are of arabic descent? :roll:
I remember watching a show about airline terrorism and nearly all of those terrorists have been of Arabic descent.
A lot of ignorance here...
Dubai, unlike Saudi Arabia, does not enforce Islamic Law and they live in a very liberal society. In fact, I doubt that you'd even find one instance of a terrorist who came from Dubai.
Originally posted by: hopeless74
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
"Our skyscrapers will blot out the sky!"
then we will work in the shade..
Originally posted by: SSSnail
Yes, they may have the tallest building for now. It's great and all, but look at the location!
As far as their eyes will see, it'll just be deserts... Maybe some water...
Dubai, unlike Saudi Arabia, does not enforce Islamic Law and they live in a very liberal society. In fact, I doubt that you'd even find one instance of a terrorist who came from Dubai.
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Facts? All I see is hearsay on an anonymous internet forum. If you have facts, please link your source.Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!
You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.
Not even from the US so you can't call it a conspiracy
I'd like to see your 'facts' because currently we're just going off of your word.
Anyways, while I'm not a civil engineer (I'm a ME) I have studied the effects of heat and degradation of strength under extreme heat. I use it every single day at work. The failures that occurred are consistent with the official explanations. Heat caused degradation of the strength, particularly making it less stiff, causing excessive flex and buckling failure. Sadly, people seem to think there is something evil going on when things happen that they are not capable of understanding. If it were any worse the public would burn scientists and engineers as witches.
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Facts? All I see is hearsay on an anonymous internet forum. If you have facts, please link your source.Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!
You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.
Not even from the US so you can't call it a conspiracy
I'd like to see your 'facts' because currently we're just going off of your word.
Anyways, while I'm not a civil engineer (I'm a ME) I have studied the effects of heat and degradation of strength under extreme heat. I use it every single day at work. The failures that occurred are consistent with the official explanations. Heat caused degradation of the strength, particularly making it less stiff, causing excessive flex and buckling failure. Sadly, people seem to think there is something evil going on when things happen that they are not capable of understanding. If it were any worse the public would burn scientists and engineers as witches.
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
"Our skyscrapers will blot out the sky!"
Originally posted by: RichardE
Than, we will fight in the rubble
Originally posted by: dennilfloss
Originally posted by: RichardE
Than, we will fight in the rubble
This is madness!!
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!Originally posted by: theman
I was just talking to my brother, who has a master's degree in civil engineering and he was telling me that a lot of engineers he's talked to have expressed concern in the building. he didn't get technical with me because he's tried that before and failed, but he didn't seem to confident in the integrity of the building. apparently a lot of corners were cut. he explained that the most dangerous part of building a building like this is the actual builders themselves. it doesn't even matter how many engineers you have, or how expensive and bright they are. if the builders don't follow the design to the EXACT specifications designed by the engineers, disaster can ensues. it even happens in this country with professionally trained workers who have certifications. usually because of budget issues where the owner cuts costs behind the backs of the engineers. it's scary stuff. they usually find out about these faults one or more years later as the engineers go back and check. some sky scrapers have been temporarily shut down because of serious flaws found. it's kind of like software design.
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!Originally posted by: theman
I was just talking to my brother, who has a master's degree in civil engineering and he was telling me that a lot of engineers he's talked to have expressed concern in the building. he didn't get technical with me because he's tried that before and failed, but he didn't seem to confident in the integrity of the building. apparently a lot of corners were cut. he explained that the most dangerous part of building a building like this is the actual builders themselves. it doesn't even matter how many engineers you have, or how expensive and bright they are. if the builders don't follow the design to the EXACT specifications designed by the engineers, disaster can ensues. it even happens in this country with professionally trained workers who have certifications. usually because of budget issues where the owner cuts costs behind the backs of the engineers. it's scary stuff. they usually find out about these faults one or more years later as the engineers go back and check. some sky scrapers have been temporarily shut down because of serious flaws found. it's kind of like software design.
you just lost any credibility you had in this thread. before I was actually considering your POV, but now I see you're just trolling
Originally posted by: BillyBatson
lol I watched the same show on the science channel. I wouldn't worry this building is state of the art, it is just a tv show and liek any show they want to keep your attention and make you watch the whole thing so they had to throw in some controversyto keep you glued to the tube. For such a large and difficult project an incorrect cinder block wall is a small worry. The leaning mistake is a big deal but I am sure it would have collapsed by now if their fix wasn't good enough lol
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Dubai is intense
My dad visited it and got to go within 1km of the 7 star hotel (he didn't know you needed at least a $40 reservation for tea to go inside)
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
I get the impression that Arabs believe having fancy buildings will make them a great country.
Skyscrapers are something to be proud of. You don't see countries with nonexistent economies building the tallest building in the world.
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Facts? All I see is hearsay on an anonymous internet forum. If you have facts, please link your source.Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: jpeyton
I was talking to my engineering friend, who has umm, like, an engineering degree or something. And he told me this Burka Durka building is crap and it's going to fall over the day it opens, and umm, the Freedom Tower is going to be like a million times more stronger and way cooler. Go America, yah!
You've degraded into childishly mocking rather than actually addressing the facts.
Not even from the US so you can't call it a conspiracy
I'd like to see your 'facts' because currently we're just going off of your word.
Anyways, while I'm not a civil engineer (I'm a ME) I have studied the effects of heat and degradation of strength under extreme heat. I use it every single day at work. The failures that occurred are consistent with the official explanations. Heat caused degradation of the strength, particularly making it less stiff, causing excessive flex and buckling failure. Sadly, people seem to think there is something evil going on when things happen that they are not capable of understanding. If it were any worse the public would burn scientists and engineers as witches.
what do you do? sounds fun.