'Duck Dynasty' star Phil Robertson suspended for comments on homosexuals

[corwin]

Actually he does say they should be judged. The fact that you people don't get that them saying God will judge them and that everyone should follow God means they aren't judging them is baffling. They are literally judging people themselves and then trying to pass it off as though their deity doing it.

And he also absolutely does put all of those other things on the same level, as God won't let them "inherit his Kingdom". Again, not sure how you can't see that's exactly what they're saying even if they themselves don't realize it.

LOL...he said he doesn't judge them, that's it's God's job to do so and then paraphrases scripture to support that statement. If you don't believe in it then why the hell would you care and what does it matter? If "his kingdom" is fantasy then their belief that these people won't inherit it is pretty much a non-issue huh? Why aren't you all upset about people who sleep around being "judged" too? Seems like they are a bigger portion of society than gays, they should be the ones really offended here

 

[nehalem256]

The point is that they sleep around for a while and then are monogamous after being married. Commitment to marriage marks the moment in their lives when monogamy truly begins. Far from being bad at promoting monogamy, marriage actually defines it.

Too bad all those STDs you contracted during your sleeping around phase don't just go away.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I am very strongly pro-gay rights, but I just see his comments as those of a man of faith espousing the tenets of his religion. I don't see this as hate speech, nor do I believe he should be pilloried or fired for what he said. If he were gay basher, or calling for the mass extermination of gays, I would feel differently. I imagine the great majority of evangelical Christians would agree with what he said. If, say, he operated a business (like the Chik Fil'A guy), I might not patronize it, but I don't believe he should lose his job over this.

In general I think we as a society spend too much time and energy manufacturing outrage over the things people say. This feels like much ado over nothing.

Here's the thing, they actually are saying all of that, they just believe that their God will be the one to do it. They have faith that God will do it and they want it to happen.

Just because religious people don't care about logic doesn't mean that everyone should give them a free pass when they say stupid shit. Its the same stupid shit whether you say you think man or God should be the one to do it.

Phil and people like him have to be intimidated into silence. We can't have people going around saying things like this. It's okay for them to think it, they just can't make their beliefs public. These people need to be chased back into the closet.

Back on your same old stupid straw man argument. People are voicing their belief that they're fucked in the head for thinking that way.

I love when people voice their stupid opinions, its easier to point out the fools when they open their mouths and remove all doubt.

 

[sixone]

http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/19/the-duck-dynasty-fiasco-says-more-about-our-bigotry-than-phils/

Why is our go-to political strategy for beating our opponents to silence them? Why do we dismiss, rather than engage them? One of the biggest pop culture icons of today just took center stage to “educate” us about sexuality. I see this as an opportunity to further the discussion, to challenge his limited understanding of human desire, to engage with him and his rather sizeable audience—most of whom, by the way, probably share his views—and to rise above the endless sea of tweet-hate to help move our LGBT conversations to where they need to go.

GK Chesterton said that bigotry is “an incapacity to conceive seriously the alternative to a proposition.” If he is right—and he usually is—then I wonder if the Duck Dynasty fiasco says more about our bigotry than Phil’s.

 

[Clemenza]

It certainly is a defect. You are in denial. Being gay has [/B]absolutely no positive effect on the human species and it was not designed to operate in that function. Not to mention it goes against one of the most important and core instincts of a living organism: survival.

Lies. Lesbian porn is great.

 

[echo4747]

I think this could backfire on the gaystopo and A&E. Overwhelmingly online there is a backlash. I'd like the boys to back pops and refuse to continue the show. Let's see if A&E loves the gay lobby or their highest rated cable show ever cash cow more.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Too bad all those STDs you contracted during your sleeping around phase don't just go away.

That's beside the point though. The point was that marriage does provide a concrete time at which monogamy begins for most people. Having it available as an institution causes people to divide their lives into segments around it in which their sexual activities are different. Not having it would result in more promiscuity because the social and legal constraints of an unmarried person are different than those of a married person.

 

[corwin]

I love when people voice their stupid opinions, its easier to point out the fools when they open their mouths and remove all doubt.

Yeah, we see that champ

 

[darkswordsman17]

LOL...he said he doesn't judge them, that's it's God's job to do so and then paraphrases scripture to support that statement. If you don't believe in it then why the hell would you care and what does it matter? If "his kingdom" is fantasy then their belief that these people won't inherit it is pretty much a non-issue huh? Why aren't you all upset about people who sleep around being "judged" too? Seems like they are a bigger portion of society than gays, they should be the ones really offended here

Because he literally is judging them. He's likely too stupid to even realize he is, although I'm guessing its more the usual willful ignorance that seems necessary to hold the beliefs in the first place, where he thinks saying God says that and that he thinks God is right isn't exactly the same as saying he himself feels that way.

If I go around saying I don't think ____ but my imaginary friend who I think is right and that everyone should follow, does think ____, only stupid people would try to argue that I'm not saying I myself think ____.

I'll ignore the rest since well its stupid that you somehow extrapolated that from what I wrote. Odd that you can come to made up conclusions but can't connect plain ones.

 

[slag]

Title change, happy?

Yes and thank you

 

[shadow9d9]

Phil and people like him have to be intimidated into silence. We can't have people going around saying things like this. It's okay for them to think it, they just can't make their beliefs public. These people need to be chased back into the closet.

No one was intimidated.

You are a disgusting bigot btw.

 

[TechBoyJK]

No one was intimidated.

You are a disgusting bigot btw.

You don't think firing someone because of their religion is a little intimidating to others who may be choosing to express their thoughts, even if only asked about them?

A&E is the bigot here. Phil expressed his thoughts. A&E acted on theirs and has moved to subjugate and persecute Phil because they disagree with him. A&E's actions are the definition of bigotry and economic subjugation.

 

[shadow9d9]

You don't think firing someone because of their religion is a little intimidating to others who may be choosing to express their thoughts, even if only asked about them?

A&E is the bigot here. Phil expressed his thoughts. A&E acted on theirs and has moved to subjugate and persecute Phil because they disagree with him. A&E's actions are the definition of bigotry and economic subjugation.

The company made a financial decision based on comments that would offend its viewers.

It would make no sense for a business to keep someone on that would hurt its business.

And no, someone isn't a bigot because they don't tolerate bigots. That is a twisted and preposterous argument.

Also, no one was fired "for their religion." That is so beyond stupid that I am at a loss for words...

 

[nehalem256]

The company made a financial decision based on comments that would offend its viewers.

It would make no sense for a business to keep someone on that would hurt its business.

And no, someone isn't a bigot because they don't tolerate bigots. That is a twisted and preposterous argument.

And what did Phil say that was bigoted?

Bible says homosexuality is a sin. And he called it that. Stating facts is not bigotry.

It said butt-sex is icky. Saying that isn't bigotry.

He didn't call for the persecution of homosexuals which WOULD be bigotry.

It seems that some people just want to redefine bigotry to mean "doesn't celebrate homosexuality".

 

[shadow9d9]

And what did Phil say that was bigoted?

Bible says homosexuality is a sin. And he called it that. Stating facts is not bigotry.

It said butt-sex is icky. Saying that isn't bigotry.

He didn't call for the persecution of homosexuals which WOULD be bigotry.

It seems that some people just want to redefine bigotry to mean "doesn't celebrate homosexuality".

The bible says a lot of insane things. You can't cherry pick the one you wish to hate on and ignore the others.

The bible is also a book of fantasy, written by neanderthals. If you wish to be a follower of make believe, that is your choice. However, if you are in the spotlight, it doesn't make sense to offend other people. If his "god" would truly be "judging" random people, then he shouldn't be worrying about it and shouldn't find a need to talk about it. If you are an entertainer and say something offensive and bigoted, then you picked the wrong line of work.

It seems that you make shit up to justify your bigotry and others. Shocker!

Here is what he says that is bigoted-

"In the profile, an unedited Robertson sounds off on what's ailing the country during a trip through the Louisiana backwoods.

“Start with homosexual behavior"

He is saying the problem with the country starts with homosexuality.

Reading is tough!

 

[BoomerD]

The company made a financial decision based on comments that would offend its viewers.

It would make no sense for a business to keep someone on that would hurt its business.

And no, someone isn't a bigot because they don't tolerate bigots. That is a twisted and preposterous argument.

Also, no one was fired "for their religion." That is so beyond stupid that I am at a loss for words...

I kind of doubt Duck Dynasty has very many viewers who would be offended by his statement. I think they play to their audience.

Would his statement hurt A&E overall? Highly unlikely. They should not be responsible for what he said off the show.

"I'm intolerant. I don't tolerate intolerance!"

He wasn't fired for his religion...he was suspended for speaking about what his religion has taught him...right or wrong.

Personally, I hope the entire clan gets its collective panties in a wad and quits. I don't like the show...and I'm getting tired of seeing their faces on crap in stores.

 

[Fritzo]

In the extremely broad sense that it is considered a sin yes he did, and in the same breath likened it to sleeping around too, but let's just focus on the gay part right?

Look, ironic comedy is my thing man. You're cramping my style here.

 

[alien42]

Bible says homosexuality is a sin. And he called it that. Stating facts is not bigotry.

the bible also says it's OK to have and beat slaves. going by your logic, it's a fact that we can and should have slaves.

nope, not bigotry at all.

not that your bigotry and hypocrisy is a big secret or anything.

 

[shadow9d9]

I kind of doubt Duck Dynasty has very many viewers who would be offended by his statement. I think they play to their audience.

Would his statement hurt A&E overall? Highly unlikely. They should not be responsible for what he said off the show.

"I'm intolerant. I don't tolerate intolerance!"

He wasn't fired for his religion...he was suspended for speaking about what his religion has taught him...right or wrong.

Personally, I hope the entire clan gets its collective panties in a wad and quits. I don't like the show...and I'm getting tired of seeing their faces on crap in stores.

In his own words, his religion says that god will sort them out, and that he shouldn't worry about it. Therefore, saying that the problem with the country is homosexuals isn't really relevant to the bible.

You should become A and E's CEO... You clearly know more about their business than they do!

 

[shadow9d9]

" Robertson also suggested in the interview that black people he grew up with were happier under Jim Crow laws of segregation.

“They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’ — not a word!” Robertson said. “Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”"

Totally not a racist!

 

[FelixDeCat]

the bible also says it's OK to have and beat slaves. going by your logic, it's a fact that we can and should have slaves.

nope, not bigotry at all.

not that your bigotry and hypocrisy is a big secret or anything.

If alien42 was not such a bigot and homophile who would know the stupidity of his comments. By your logic the Bible is just one big book and we should take everything literally. You need to get educated.

 

[shadow9d9]

If alien42 was not such a bigot and homophile who would know the stupidity of his comments. By your logic the Bible is just one big book and we should take everything literally. You need to get educated.

You can't pick and choose what to take literally.

 

[manimal]

A&E expressed their right to reprimand or fire an employee that doesnt share their vision or values plain and simple. Can most of you at least agree on this specific point? If we do agree on this specific point than any other take away is bathed in your eu de toilet or litmus.

Felix and vaux really need to rexamine what and why they believe a few things. Look inward gents.

 

[alien42]

If alien42 was not such a bigot and homophile who would know the stupidity of his comments.

does calling me a gay bigot make you feel better about yourself? i am actually neither which just makes you look ignorant.

By your logic the Bible is just one big book and we should take everything literally. You need to get educated.

i've got news for you, the bible is just one big book. as for taking it literally, you do realize that the only people who believe that are far right religious nutjobs right?

not sure what eduacation has to do with any of this. just because you are a bigot doesn't mean you aren't educated.

 

[NFS4]

The company made a financial decision based on comments that would offend its viewers.

It would make no sense for a business to keep someone on that would hurt its business.

And no, someone isn't a bigot because they don't tolerate bigots. That is a twisted and preposterous argument.

Also, no one was fired "for their religion." That is so beyond stupid that I am at a loss for words...

Here's the thing. As I've said countless time before, what Phil said SHOULD NOT be a shock to anyone that watches the show. PERIOD.

That he was removed for these particular comments doesn't really make sense to me as it is in keeping with what everyone already knows about him and his family. Even though I don't subscribe to his way of thinking, I don't think he should be raked over the coals for it either.

I don't watch the show, but my father-in-law does and he is ALWAYS talking to me about it (even though I really don't care). And from what he has told me about the show, I don't think that anyone that actually watches the show would be taken aback by the comments or be in the least bit surprised.

Bottom line: the people that are likely "deeply" offended by his commentary probably don't even watch the show.