Duggars - should they stay on TV?

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soundforbjt

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Fox News sure has been "going to bat" for them, must be because of all those religious right folks needing some comforting and also that so many of the current Pres hopefulls had a picture taken with Josh...
 

SheHateMe

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There you have it folks., no one can be rehabilitated and all incarcerated should stay that way until the end of their. When eligible for parole it should be declined as no one can be rehabilitated.

Well, this has nothing to do with this situation because Josh's family never sought out treatment for what he did (His family claims that he "paid" for treatment...but he was fucking 14...so, that sounds like a lie to me). They simply sent him to a camp that had nothing to do with molesting small children. He also spent time with an adult pedophile cop as part of his discipline....or whatever that was supposed to be.


And who knows....Josh could still be molesting young girls. I don't really believe that you can molest kids at 14 and then just lose interest and stop doing it (without seeking treatment).
 
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Subyman

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Fox News sure has been "going to bat" for them, must be because of all those religious right folks needing some comforting and also that so many of the current Pres hopefulls had a picture taken with Josh...

I noticed that too. Hypocritical that O'Reilly pushes for and lauds Jessica's Law and then that same outlet tries to go easy on a father that knew his children were being molested and that very father is now downplaying the molestation during their interview.

FWIW, I don't fault the Duggars for not turning their son in. If I found out that my son had major issues like that the last thing I'd want for them is to be locked up. I'd send them to a serious rehabilitation center. If it got out of control then turning them over would be the last option because at that point you have to admit failure on your part to help them.

The REAL question is if that son has his issue under control today. If so, then they made a decent decision that gave him another shot at life without all the stigma. That is, if he was able to be rehabilitated. Obviously he hasn't gotten into any more trouble, but who knows if others may come forward now.
 

werepossum

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I noticed that too. Hypocritical that O'Reilly pushes for and lauds Jessica's Law and then that same outlet tries to go easy on a father that knew his children were being molested and that very father is now downplaying the molestation during their interview.

FWIW, I don't fault the Duggars for not turning their son in. If I found out that my son had major issues like that the last thing I'd want for them is to be locked up. I'd send them to a serious rehabilitation center. If it got out of control then turning them over would be the last option because at that point you have to admit failure on your part to help them.

The REAL question is if that son has his issue under control today. If so, then they made a decent decision that gave him another shot at life without all the stigma. That is, if he was able to be rehabilitated. Obviously he hasn't gotten into any more trouble, but who knows if others may come forward now.
That is true, but relying on him to care for small children is like forcing the alcoholic to be the wine taster. If one's business is having babies, one should have a bit more smarts about raising them than putting them in the care of an admitted child molester. That may be a bit harsh for fourteen, but much as I dislike Lena Dunham, fondling children at fourteen is simply in a different universe than fondling children at seven, regardless of what she might or might not have done or whether there was any sexual component to it. At fourteen, there is no excuse for not understanding that this is wrong and WHY it is wrong. Assuming that he hasn't repeated then I'm glad for their family that his life (and theirs) wasn't ruined, but still seems like an unacceptable risk with their (many) other children. So while I agree with your point in principle, send his ass to live somewhere without children. Other children count too, and being incarcerated isn't the only bad thing out there.

In real life I've heard a lot about how it isn't fair than conservative Christians have their sealed court files opened and/or are prosecuted when others don't. The answer I suggest is that if one wishes to take on the unfairness of the world, better to start with children being molested than with exactly who gets prosecuted or publicly disgraced.

Full disclosure: I've never seen the Duggers or any coverage on this, so my knowledge is limited to what I read here and what my wife tells me. (I gather this is difficult to avoid if one has time to watch news.) Had I watched the show, I might have more sympathy - or more hatred - for the young man.
 
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waggy

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I don't care if they stay on. To me kicking them off tv would be punishing the other kids who did nothing wrong. That does not seem right either.

I just hope they got the kid some help and the girls some.
 
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I'm not even bothered by the fact that a 14-year-old sexually touched someone in a way that everyone can agree is inappropriate. You do stupid shit at age 14; that's why we don't try 14-year-olds as adults for most crimes. But when you do that stupid shit, you need a parental or authority figure to step in and say, "that was wrong, this is why, do not do it again." I'm not bothered by the initial action, I'm bothered that a 14-year-old did this in multiple instances to multiple young girls over a period spanning a couple of years. Where the fuck are the parents? You are missing out on a critical piece of where fucking up as a teenager is a learning experience; you need someone to play to role of the teacher. These people are too busy pumping out kids to be responsible for the ones they've already got.
 

JD50

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I'm not even bothered by the fact that a 14-year-old sexually touched someone in a way that everyone can agree is inappropriate. You do stupid shit at age 14; that's why we don't try 14-year-olds as adults for most crimes. But when you do that stupid shit, you need a parental or authority figure to step in and say, "that was wrong, this is why, do not do it again." I'm not bothered by the initial action, I'm bothered that a 14-year-old did this in multiple instances to multiple young girls over a period spanning a couple of years. Where the fuck are the parents? You are missing out on a critical piece of where fucking up as a teenager is a learning experience; you need someone to play to role of the teacher. These people are too busy pumping out kids to be responsible for the ones they've already got.

:thumbsup:
 

bshole

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Sara Palin (who forced Letterman to apologize for mistaking one daughter for the other and making a sex joke) weighs in:

HEY LENA, WHY NOT LAUGH OFF EVERYONE'S SEXUAL "EXPERIMENTS" AS YOU HAUGHTILY ENJOY REWARDS FOR YOUR OWN PERVERSION? YOU PEDOPHILE, YOU
Radical liberals in media who have total control over public narratives are disgusting hypocrites, so says my daughter. Go get 'em, Bristol! Read her post!
http://www.patheos.com/&#8230;/lets-get-this-straight-liberals-w&#8230;/

I'm glad someone's got the guts to call out these perverts. The intolerant left's destructive personal intrusions and narrow-mindedness applied to their chosen targets are bad enough, but their double standards are beyond the pale.

I&#8217;m not defending the Duggar boy's obvious wrongdoing over a decade ago. The main victim in any story like this isn't the perpetrator, it's the innocent ones so harmfully affected. I&#8217;m not an apologist for any sexual predator, but I&#8217;m sickened that the media gives their chosen ones a pass for any behavior as long as they share their leftwing politics. Case in point, they suggest Lena Dunham's sexual assault on her sibling is cute, and she's rewarded for it with fame and fortune. Meanwhile, they crucify another, along with an entire family.

The Duggar debate needs to shift from solely the boy's obvious wrongdoing when he was 14 years old to now include:
1) The shocking, unethical leak of a private, legally protected counseling document by a politically motivated law enforcement official. Media - time to go after her or him for illegalities and for destroying the public's trust in law enforcement.
2) The media's hell-bent mission to go after the entire Duggar family for one member&#8217;s wrongdoing, while giving a total pass to perverted actions of someone like Lena Dunham - or any other leftwinger celeb caught doing awful things. Remember reports of the pedophile billionaire our former democrat president has been friends with and hung out with on the pedophile's "orgy island&#8221; full of underage girls?

Such obvious double standards applied to equally relevant stories underestimate the wisdom of the public, discredit the press, and spit on the graves of every American who fought and died for the press's freedom.

I hate for anyone to go through this game liberals are allowed to play, relentlessly attacking on an uneven playing field until a conservative's career, relationships, and reputation are destroyed. To the media's targets I encourage, "Rise above by never claiming 'victim', tell the truth, and keep the faith!"
And, for what it's worth, "Welcome to my world; believe me - what doesn't kill you makes you stronger!"
- Sarah Palin
And click here to read more of my daughter calling out the double standard!
 

zinfamous

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Sara Palin (who forced Letterman to apologize for mistaking one daughter for the other and making a sex joke) weighs in:

Well, I thought someone had hijacked LegendKiller's account; now we know who's posting in his name.
 

master_shake_

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Sara Palin lol.

why hasn't she been eaten by a polar bear already.

lets shift the blame.

from the diddler to the people who are shaming him.

fuck you sara. FUCK. YOU.
 

Subyman

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Palin's comments sounds like those chain emails I get from my grandma.
 

HomerJS

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Today I have just discovered Sarah Palin and all those who took her seriously are morons.
 

Subyman

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Today I have just discovered Sarah Palin and all those who took her seriously are morons.

I remember going to a debate viewing in St Louis for her debate with Biden. They handed out pins and fliers and had a pre-debate music show. They got everyone pumped up. Then the debate came on and every time she said anything "sassy" the crowd went wild. I left thinking, maybe she has a chance? Then I watched it again at home and thought, "no chance in hell."
 

bshole

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I remember going to a debate viewing in St Louis for her debate with Biden. They handed out pins and fliers and had a pre-debate music show. They got everyone pumped up. Then the debate came on and every time she said anything "sassy" the crowd went wild. I left thinking, maybe she has a chance? Then I watched it again at home and thought, "no chance in hell."

Have to respect the way she made herself a millionaire though. That is very impressive. That a half-wit like that could end up far far far far more successful than myself is utterly depressing. Yes I am jelly!
 

HomerJS

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Have to respect the way she made herself a millionaire though. That is very impressive. That a half-wit like that could end up far far far far more successful than myself is utterly depressing. Yes I am jelly!

She got rich because her supporters are stupid and blindly gave her money. Oh and don't forget Fox News who indulged her all these years.
 

bshole

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She got rich because her supporters are stupid and blindly gave her money. Oh and don't forget Fox News who indulged her all these years.

Well god damn it, when are MY stupid supporters going to blindly give me money? When do i get my taste? I have strong convictions and I can actually atriculate them. I was good looking when I was young. Why am I denied a seat at the table?

Why should the Duggars become millionaires just because they live a fucked up lifestyle? It irks me that talentless, hateful hacks from the right are being rewarded simply BECAUSE of their idiocy and not in spite of it. These useless mother fuckers should be living in a van down by the river instead of basking in mansions.
 

bshole

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You sure about that?

Compared to Sarah Palin, there isn't a single poster on this forum who doesn't come off as articulate.

"Well, let's see. There's &#8213; of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v.Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but &#8213;"
 
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