Duggars - should they stay on TV?

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rudeguy

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maybe so.

I used to do Foster care. We dealt with young girls who were victims of abuse. it's not a pretty sight. Also a close friend of my daughter was raped by her dad from 6-12. so it kinda hits home.

They should all be sent to an island. Lets say...Greenland. Only men, no women. No parole, they are there until they die. If they don't like that, death penalty is an option they can choose.
 
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maybe so.

I used to do Foster care. We dealt with young girls who were victims of abuse. it's not a pretty sight. Also a close friend of my daughter was raped by her dad from 6-12. so it kinda hits home.

I hear you. I know several people who were the victims of molestation in their childhood at the hands of an uncle or other adult quasi-parental figure, and it is indeed a horrible situation that can haunt people forever. But that's an adult taking advantage of a child; that's different than a child taking advantage of another child because they don't know any better. Adults who do that should be thrown in jail forever and studied so we can see what the fuck is going on up there. But a child who was as much a victim of his parents' shitty parenting techniques? Fuck that. Get him counseling. If anything, hold the parents accountable, since apparently they don't have the wherewithal to manage their brood.
 

rudeguy

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Dec 27, 2001
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:twisted: deadliest catch is awesome, even after 10 seasons.

Sorry...not after the shit they pulled. I have not watched an episode since they did that. Sucks too because I really liked it.

Is American Pickers reality TV? I like Mike and Frank. I don't watch it often but when I do I enjoy it.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Sorry...not after the shit they pulled. I have not watched an episode since they did that. Sucks too because I really liked it.

Is American Pickers reality TV? I like Mike and Frank. I don't watch it often but when I do I enjoy it.

lol american pickers cracks me. those guys are insane. Though at times i wonder if it's fake. some of the stuff they find is amazing.

though i hate shows like that and storage wars. I used to make some extra spending cash doing what they do. Now everyone wants to do it and it's driving up cost.
 

thraashman

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Doesn't seem like he's denying anything. He's saying that if you make an extraordinary claim, you should back it up. Don't make a claim and then expect everyone else to confirm it. The person who made the original claim should have posted the link you just did. Personally I had to look up who the hell Lena Dunham was.

In addition you have stuff like “This is clearly not a case of abuse,” says developmental psychologist Ritch Savin-Williams, director of the Sex and Gender Lab at Cornell University. “Children have been doing this stuff forever and ever and ever and ever, and they will do it forever and ever and ever.” I'm not actually taking a stance on that, everyone can decide if they accept the psychologist's explanation or not.

And as far as LegendKiller's claim that she falsely accused a guy of rape, it seems he's wrong about that. That entire thing stems from her using a pseudonym that happened to also be the name of an actual person who fit the description of the person who sexually assaulted her. The publisher apologized and is clarifying in future editions that "Barry" is a pseudonym.
 

LegendKiller

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Doesn't seem like he's denying anything. He's saying that if you make an extraordinary claim, you should back it up. Don't make a claim and then expect everyone else to confirm it. The person who made the original claim should have posted the link you just did. Personally I had to look up who the hell Lena Dunham was.

In addition you have stuff like “This is clearly not a case of abuse,” says developmental psychologist Ritch Savin-Williams, director of the Sex and Gender Lab at Cornell University. “Children have been doing this stuff forever and ever and ever and ever, and they will do it forever and ever and ever.” I'm not actually taking a stance on that, everyone can decide if they accept the psychologist's explanation or not.

And as far as LegendKiller's claim that she falsely accused a guy of rape, it seems he's wrong about that. That entire thing stems from her using a pseudonym that happened to also be the name of an actual person who fit the description of the person who sexually assaulted her. The publisher apologized and is clarifying in future editions that "Barry" is a pseudonym.

Says one psychologist. Having 3 kids myself, including a 2yr old girl, not only are her claims preposterous, but I find the rest of it likewise revolting. The likelihood that a 1yr old did that to herself is *very* remote, if not impossible. Thus, Lena probably did it to her. She also admits to doing stuff like that for years.

Furthermore, what child does this to her sister, in the middle of the day, outside where anybody can see?

One that also admits to doing drugs and does accuse people of rape.

Sounds like a pretty fucked up sexual predator to me.

As far as Barry, the guy that was actually described was found, as you can see from the link I posted. She is a liar and likely a sexual predator.
 

FerrelGeek

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How did this come to light, btw? Given that this happened when he was a juvenile, weren't any records of it sealed?

Not making any excuses or rationalization, I'm just wondering what would prompt his records being unsealed.
 

soundforbjt

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How did this come to light, btw? Given that this happened when he was a juvenile, weren't any records of it sealed?

Not making any excuses or rationalization, I'm just wondering what would prompt his records being unsealed.

Huckabee had his record destroyed.
 

Ackmed

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Oct 1, 2003
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You're calling a 4-year-old little girl an attention whore? And you think a child that young can give consent?

The link left said nothing about the age of the girl allegedly molested.

Fans were outraged after In Touch magazine published a police report outlining allegations that Josh Duggar, now 27, molested underage girls when he was 14 and 15 years old. The claims were reported to police when he was 18.

Unless I am completely blind, that is the only part that even talked about age. There is also no real proof of what was allegedly done or said to the girl. Making rash judgments is silly. And I never called her an attention whore, whoever is whistle blowing this 12 years later is. I have serious doubts that this is the girls idea who was allegedly molested. An adult with an agenda is doing this. What is the reason for this? I have zero problems with him any child molester being strung up in time square if there is undeniable proof they did it. There is no room for people like that on Earth. But this? 12 years ago? With no proof of anything? C'mon now. If later there is proof or he admits to whatever, then if the statute allows it, I hope they charge him. But as it is now, just seems like a slandering project.
 
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Furthermore, what child does this to her sister, in the middle of the day, outside where anybody can see?

One that also admits to doing drugs and does accuse people of rape.

Sounds like a pretty fucked up sexual predator to me.

Yep. A seven-year-old sexual predator. Which is totally a thing that exists and not something that you just invented because you clearly know more about the subject than a trained professional with education and credentials. After all, she went on to do drugs (something that only 50% of all adult Americans have done); clearly, she's a sociopath and probably a serial rapist.

Someone call LK and let him know Texashiker hijacked his account.
 

thraashman

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Yep. A seven-year-old sexual predator. Which is totally a thing that exists and not something that you just invented because you clearly know more about the subject than a trained professional with education and credentials. After all, she went on to do drugs (something that only 50% of all adult Americans have done); clearly, she's a sociopath and probably a serial rapist.

Someone call LK and let him know Texashiker hijacked his account.

Woah, woah, woah. LK is perhaps being a bit of an overly aggressive jerk in here, but let's not just outright insult the man by comparing him to the worst of the worst. Also, seriously, let's get back to the actual subject of the thread now. The basics of which should be that this were just about Josh's behavior then the show shouldn't suffer. But it's clear that the family covered it up and that his behavior stems from the extremely dangerous cult this family is a part of and the country should not be subjected to it.
 

OutHouse

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Sorry...not after the shit they pulled. I have not watched an episode since they did that. Sucks too because I really liked it.

Is American Pickers reality TV? I like Mike and Frank. I don't watch it often but when I do I enjoy it.

what did "shit did they pull" to get you to stop watching?
 

rudeguy

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what did "shit did they pull" to get you to stop watching?

When Captain Phil died.

Every single commercial after he died was about him dying. Instead of just showing the one episode where it happenned, they stretched it out into 4 or 5 episodes. They used his death as an advertising gimmick.

I'm not ok with that.
 
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This was 12 years ago? He was 14 and 15? Sounds like bullshit to me. I think it was consensual on both sides. It doesn't have any bearing on the show now, and like always people blow shit out of proportion. Without hard facts of what actually happen, this is just a stupid attention whore move.

And the show seems stupid, I didn't even know it existed.

You can think what you like but his actions have been admitted to.
 
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Ok ok, I get it. 5 molestations is a tragedy, one molestation by a liberal feminist is a statistic. Got it.

Ohh, and lets not forget the fake rape.

Her career was made through this liberal feminist victimization bullshit when she, herself, was the predator in many ways. That either should be excused is asinine.

So you refuse to answer the question. Ok.
 

Catriona

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The link left said nothing about the age of the girl allegedly molested.



Unless I am completely blind, that is the only part that even talked about age. There is also no real proof of what was allegedly done or said to the girl. Making rash judgments is silly. And I never called her an attention whore, whoever is whistle blowing this 12 years later is. I have serious doubts that this is the girls idea who was allegedly molested. An adult with an agenda is doing this. What is the reason for this? I have zero problems with him any child molester being strung up in time square if there is undeniable proof they did it. There is no room for people like that on Earth. But this? 12 years ago? With no proof of anything? C'mon now. If later there is proof or he admits to whatever, then if the statute allows it, I hope they charge him. But as it is now, just seems like a slandering project.

According to the timeline in this Washinton Post article, the incidents first came to light in March 2002:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-molestation-allegations-against-josh-duggar/

According to the police report, 4 of the 5 identified victims were his sisters. The 5 Duggar girls born prior to 2002 are, with their ages in March 2002:

Jana Marie 12
Jill Michelle 11
Jessa Lauren 9
Jinger Nicole 8
Joy-Anna 4

Read the police report:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...e-report-for-yourself-look-no-further-images/

As for proof, he admitted it.
 
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