Duggars - should they stay on TV?

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chowderhead

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Yep.

Again, just because you are forgiven doesn't mean you don't deal with the law.

Jesus had one chance to tell the world his opinion on the death penalty. He had the chance to condone the stoning of a woman accused of adultery who the Pharisees had brought before him. He said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 

Blackjack200

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Jesus had one chance to tell the world his opinion on the death penalty. He had the chance to condone the stoning of a woman accused of adultery who the Pharisees had brought before him. He said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Yeah, but he also forgot to tell people to hate the gays. The guy wasn't perfect.
 

LegendKiller

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For GotApex? Unfortunately their Forums are pretty much offline now, I should have saved the posts. I posted a couple links here before, you can search for them using keyword "GotApex" and my user name. The Housing thread by Dullard has some of my posts in 2006, but nothing earlier.
 

UberNeuman

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TLC has announced the cancellation of the Duggar family show, '19 Kids and Counting' - however they've also announced a new show starring Josh Duggar and Bill Cosby. The theme song and title of the new show is taken from a track off the 1990 MC Hammer hit album 'Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em.'

This Fall!

Bill and Josh: We Can Touch This!

\hammertime.....:whiste:
 
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rudeguy

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Jesus had one chance to tell the world his opinion on the death penalty. He had the chance to condone the stoning of a woman accused of adultery who the Pharisees had brought before him. He said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Correct. However there is also this:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

Romans 13:1-7

We are talking about the difference between forgiveness and justice.


It breaks down to this: Do what is right, follow the laws, follow the Commandments. If you do not, you will be judged by the laws of the land and by God. If you seek God's forgiveness, it will be granted. But the laws of the land remain and you will be held accountable. So just because I forgive the guy who shot up the theater in Colorado doesn't mean he should not be punished by the law. Just because I forgive the Boston bomber doesn't mean he should not be punished by the law. Just because I forgive the kid who stole $.50 out of my car one night doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished by the law.
 

Orignal Earl

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It's been a very long time since the church has put anyone to death. Keep in mind that jailing someone would be a sin if it weren't the law doing it.

This is a really simple thing in my mind but it's surprisingly hard to explain. What is right and what is wrong is different than what is legal and what isn't. Because I forgive someone doesn't mean they shouldn't have to deal with the law. I would not kill someone to punish them but the government should. I would not take all of someone's money but the government should.

2 completely separate things to me.

Outside of America, people feel they are responsible for their govs they voted in
It used to be that way in America too
Do you think God is going to forgive you for supporting someone else executing people, is there something in your Christian belief that supports that?
 

rudeguy

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Outside of America, people feel they are responsible for their govs they voted in
It used to be that way in America too
Do you think God is going to forgive you for supporting someone else executing people, is there something in your Christian belief that supports that?

There is nothing in my Christian belief that says supporting the law executing people is wrong. Matter of fact, the Bible has many stories of people being executed for crimes.
 

FerrelGeek

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Here's the part about the adulterous woman that few people quote:

John 8 - 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him.

The passage states that the woman was caught in the 'act of adultery'. It seems reasonable to be caught in the act would imply that she was caught getting it on with a guy. The Mosaic law equally condemned the man as well as the woman in matters of adultery. So why wasn't the guy in question there? Based on the passage, this was a setup. Jesus responded by turning the tables on her accusers. There are valid reasons for the above take on the passage, but I'm sure I've already sent some on here into apoplectic shock, so I'll just leave it at that. If you really want to know why, feel free to ask.

Correct. However there is also this:
Romans 13:1-7

We are talking about the difference between forgiveness and justice.

It breaks down to this: Do what is right, follow the laws, follow the Commandments. If you do not, you will be judged by the laws of the land and by God. If you seek God's forgiveness, it will be granted. But the laws of the land remain and you will be held accountable. So just because I forgive the guy who shot up the theater in Colorado doesn't mean he should not be punished by the law. Just because I forgive the Boston bomber doesn't mean he should not be punished by the law. Just because I forgive the kid who stole $.50 out of my car one night doesn't mean he shouldn't be punished by the law.
 

Orignal Earl

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There is nothing in my Christian belief that says supporting the law executing people is wrong. Matter of fact, the Bible has many stories of people being executed for crimes.

For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Thou shall not kill
 

rudeguy

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For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

Thou shall not kill

But you have to read the whole passage.

And the Commandment was not "thou shall not kill". That is a very poor translation of what it actually said. It translates to closer to "thou shalt not murder".
 

rudeguy

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Here's the part about the adulterous woman that few people quote:



The passage states that the woman was caught in the 'act of adultery'. It seems reasonable to be caught in the act would imply that she was caught getting it on with a guy. The Mosaic law equally condemned the man as well as the woman in matters of adultery. So why wasn't the guy in question there? Based on the passage, this was a setup. Jesus responded by turning the tables on her accusers. There are valid reasons for the above take on the passage, but I'm sure I've already sent some on here into apoplectic shock, so I'll just leave it at that. If you really want to know why, feel free to ask.

The stoning of the woman is a great example. If the decision on whether a criminal should be punished was left up to the Pope or a priest or me, those people would be forgiven. But those decisions are not left up to us. The law is completely separate from religion.
 

soundforbjt

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I'm wondering how they will "make it" without the money from TLC coming in, will they now go on welfare?
 

Orignal Earl

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But you have to read the whole passage.

And the Commandment was not "thou shall not kill". That is a very poor translation of what it actually said. It translates to closer to "thou shalt not murder".

Basically then God is going to be cool with whatever China or North Korea says is state sanctioned murder too
 
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