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Red Dawn

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you can thank MADD for this bullshit.

I for one am glad that there is such a limit. I don't want anybody whose had 6 beers in 4 hours on the road with me. I don't have a problem with somebody going out and getting his drink on, just don't fucking drive afterwards. Set aside $20 for a Cab for Christ sakes.
 

IceBergSLiM

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I for one am glad that there is such a limit. I don't want anybody whose had 6 beers in 4 hours on the road with me. I don't have a problem with somebody going out and getting his drink on, just don't fucking drive afterwards. Set aside $20 for a Cab for Christ sakes.

The amount of "drunk" driving occurrences annually divided by the amount of drivings deaths/accidents/injuries is infinitesimal yet it is thanks to MADD made out to be an epidemic of the most epic proportions. Its safe to say distracted drivers or speeders are the cause of an equal or greater amount of driving deaths/accidents/injuries. I bet cellphones alone are a greater issue.

..If you legitimately fuck up you should be punished.

EDIT: I think i reversed that it should be drunk driving incidents / drunk driving occurences
 
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Platypus

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I'm not self righteous about it but I can't really condone the behavior, nor do I condone cell phone/texting/eating/putting on makeup while driving. Pay fucking attention to what you're doing when you're driving. I've had two close friends growing up killed by drunk drivers, people who really weren't all that far over the limit. I personally won't drive even after 2 beers anymore.. overkill yes, but when you've had it impact your life you view it differently. Everyone likes to have a good time but just be responsible if you are going to, call a cab or a friend. Luckily I live in a huge city so driving isn't necessary but it wasn't always that way.
 

Modular

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Sorry to hear this OP. It's something I'm deathly afraid of (getting a DUI) so I wouldn't have even chanced it, but that's in the past for you now.

For the rest of you who like to drink and drive, as someone else mentioned, why not set aside money for a cab? I mean really...6 beers was easily $5/beer + $1 tip = $36

A cab ride home would have been half that cost.
 

boomhower

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The amount of "drunk" driving occurrences annually divided by the amount of drivings deaths/accidents/injuries is infinitesimal yet it is thanks to MADD made out to be an epidemic of the most epic proportions. Its safe to say distracted drivers or speeders are the cause of an equal or greater amount of driving deaths/accidents/injuries. I bet cellphones alone are a greater issue.

..If you legitimately fuck up you should be punished.

EDIT: I think i reversed that it should be drunk driving incidents / drunk driving occurences

It may be infinitesimal, but if that one death was your mom/dad/wife I bet you would have a different view.

To get a ticket for DUI when you blow under a .08 would be difficult. Basically you would have to be on video stumbling and falling through a field sobriety test. Chances are you would be getting a blood test afterwards to see what else you were on.
 

Red Dawn

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The amount of "drunk" driving occurrences annually divided by the amount of drivings deaths/accidents/injuries is infinitesimal yet it is thanks to MADD made out to be an epidemic of the most epic proportions.
Good, maybe because of it me or someone I care about won't become one of those "infinitesimal" victims of some beautiful being who thinks he's entitled to drink and drive.
 

KeithTalent

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Hopefully it was a lesson learned.

I don't feel bad for you at all OP.

This.

I can drink a fair amount before being or even feeling "drunk", but I cannot bring myself to drive even after one drink. Just does not feel right to me.

KT
 

x-alki

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Jun 2, 2007
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I vote for zero tolerance. There is no excuse for drinking and driving. As I tell my freinds, I will come to a bar to get your drunk ass but I wont pick you up at a jail.
 

Deeko

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You made a mistake posting this here. ATOT is INCREDIBLY ignorant and self righteous on this topic. The DUI limits are set artificially low for the exact reason that .081 is, for all realistic purposes, the same amount of impairment as .079, and one is legal, one is not. Why would they set the limit as a true, incapable of driving, drunk? Otherwise those .079ers would still be killing machines.

You can spout all the lines like "impairment begins with the first drink" and "six beers is drunk no matter what", but these things are foolish. As someone else pointed out - you are more impaired when you're driving tired or distracted than someone at .081 is. And I bet 90% of you people spouting off here have done that. Also...six Coors lights over four hours for someone that isn't a 100 pound girl is not that much beer, at all. Coors light has very little alcohol in it, and four hours is a fairly long time.

Oh - and to whomever made the snarky "fish and chips don't metabolize alcohol" comment - while what you said is technically correct, eating DOES slow the rate of alcohol absorption, and considering your liver does this magical task of metabolizing it for you, when the alcohol is absorbed into your bloodstream slower, you end up with a lower BAC. Eating before and during drinking is pretty much the one thing that absolutely DOES make you less drunk per drink.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll be attacked from every angle for this post, and I really don't care.
 

Red Dawn

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You made a mistake posting this here. ATOT is INCREDIBLY ignorant and self righteous on this topic. The DUI limits are set artificially low for the exact reason that .081 is, for all realistic purposes, the same amount of impairment as .079, and one is legal, one is not. Why would they set the limit as a true, incapable of driving, drunk? Otherwise those .079ers would still be killing machines.

You can spout all the lines like "impairment begins with the first drink" and "six beers is drunk no matter what", but these things are foolish. As someone else pointed out - you are more impaired when you're driving tired or distracted than someone at .081 is. And I bet 90% of you people spouting off here have done that. Also...six Coors lights over four hours for someone that isn't a 100 pound girl is not that much beer, at all. Coors light has very little alcohol in it, and four hours is a fairly long time.

Oh - and to whomever made the snarky "fish and chips don't metabolize alcohol" comment - while what you said is technically correct, eating DOES slow the rate of alcohol absorption, and considering your liver does this magical task of metabolizing it for you, when the alcohol is absorbed into your bloodstream slower, you end up with a lower BAC. Eating before and during drinking is pretty much the one thing that absolutely DOES make you less drunk per drink.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll be attacked from every angle for this post, and I really don't care.
Come on, you think drinking and driving is cool?
 

Deeko

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Come on, you think drinking and driving is cool?

Nope, just that the amount it is villanized - particularly here - is just incorrect.

I am positive that every driver in this thread has done something in a car as dangerous or more than the OP. Maybe they were tired. Or had a stressful day at work/home and were distracted. Or possibly messing with a radio/ipod. On the phone. Yelling at a fussy kid in the back seat. Whatever it is, it was as impairing or worse than driving .081.

Yet the ATOT moral patrol isn't kicking and screaming at them.
 

yh125d

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Does Lakewood, CO even HAVE cabs? Tulsa is 2.5x the pop of lakewood and cabs are very rare here. If I had just had like 3-4 drinks in 3 hrs I'd probably drive home anyhow. 6 in 4.... probably would have left with a friend
 

mugs

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Does Lakewood, CO even HAVE cabs? Tulsa is 2.5x the pop of lakewood and cabs are very rare here. If I had just had like 3-4 drinks in 3 hrs I'd probably drive home anyhow. 6 in 4.... probably would have left with a friend

In smaller towns the cabs don't just drive around looking for people to pick up, you have to call them.
 

AnonymouseUser

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Nope, just that the amount it is villanized - particularly here - is just incorrect.

I am positive that every driver in this thread has done something in a car as dangerous or more than the OP. Maybe they were tired. Or had a stressful day at work/home and were distracted. Or possibly messing with a radio/ipod. On the phone. Yelling at a fussy kid in the back seat. Whatever it is, it was as impairing or worse than driving .081.

Yet the ATOT moral patrol isn't kicking and screaming at them.

How do you know mister Al Coholic wasn't also messing with his radio, talking on his phone, or yelling at a fussy kid in the back seat? Drivers are certainly dangerous when doing those things sober, but much more so when drunk.
 

DivideBYZero

Lifer
May 18, 2001
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You made a mistake posting this here. ATOT is INCREDIBLY ignorant and self righteous on this topic. The DUI limits are set artificially low for the exact reason that .081 is, for all realistic purposes, the same amount of impairment as .079, and one is legal, one is not. Why would they set the limit as a true, incapable of driving, drunk? Otherwise those .079ers would still be killing machines.

You can spout all the lines like "impairment begins with the first drink" and "six beers is drunk no matter what", but these things are foolish. As someone else pointed out - you are more impaired when you're driving tired or distracted than someone at .081 is. And I bet 90% of you people spouting off here have done that. Also...six Coors lights over four hours for someone that isn't a 100 pound girl is not that much beer, at all. Coors light has very little alcohol in it, and four hours is a fairly long time.

Oh - and to whomever made the snarky "fish and chips don't metabolize alcohol" comment - while what you said is technically correct, eating DOES slow the rate of alcohol absorption, and considering your liver does this magical task of metabolizing it for you, when the alcohol is absorbed into your bloodstream slower, you end up with a lower BAC. Eating before and during drinking is pretty much the one thing that absolutely DOES make you less drunk per drink.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll be attacked from every angle for this post, and I really don't care.

Impairment versus intoxication

It should be noted that individuals can be impaired by alcohol without manifesting any visible signs. Impairment is not simply the appearance of gross physical symptoms but a deterioration of judgment, attention, loss of fine co-ordination and control with a possible increase in reaction time and a diminishing of sensory perceptions. Intoxication is an advanced state of impairment in which the gross physical symptoms of the effects of alcohol are apparent. The point at which "impairment" becomes "intoxication" is unique to the subject and depends on tolerance.

Below .80 you are impared, above .80 you are considered intoxicated. A line has to be drawn, but you can keep on making up excuses so you feel vindicated driving after 6 beers and I'll keep ignoring you and watching out for your sort on the road.
 

syrillus

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Nope, just that the amount it is villanized - particularly here - is just incorrect.

I am positive that every driver in this thread has done something in a car as dangerous or more than the OP. Maybe they were tired. Or had a stressful day at work/home and were distracted. Or possibly messing with a radio/ipod. On the phone. Yelling at a fussy kid in the back seat. Whatever it is, it was as impairing or worse than driving .081.

Yet the ATOT moral patrol isn't kicking and screaming at them.

They also aren't making threads about those things. Also, your claim of "as impairing or worse than driving .081" is bullshit without evidence. In addition, even if those things were as impairing or worse, that does not invalidate the danger of driving at .081 BAC, it just makes them all bad decisions.
 

ichy

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Oct 5, 2006
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Get a lawyer. If you were just barely over the legal limit you can probably get a fairly light plea deal easily enough.
 

Deeko

Lifer
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They also aren't making threads about those things. Also, your claim of "as impairing or worse than driving .081" is bullshit without evidence. In addition, even if those things were as impairing or worse, that does not invalidate the danger of driving at .081 BAC, it just makes them all bad decisions.

Many states are making cell phone + driving illegal. There certainly are studies showing that driving while tired is very impairing. If you don't think yelling at someone in your back seat is distracting you from the road, well, you're just lying to yourself.

My point is that unless you're driving with the attention level of a Nascar driver, every distraction is impairing. All of them. Yet, this one is made out to be the most evil thing you can do, whereas the others are not. Its hypocritical.

Below .80 you are impared, above .80 you are considered intoxicated. A line has to be drawn, but you can keep on making up excuses so you feel vindicated driving after 6 beers and I'll keep ignoring you and watching out for your sort on the road.

I had a designated driver last night, so don't go pointing fingers at me, sport.

Impairment while drinking is a sliding scale. And the amount of "slide" on that scale between .079 and .08 is negligible. Yet, as you said, a line has to be drawn. So, for safety's sake, it is drawn low enough that those right under the line are not stumbling drunk killing machines. Simple logic. Therefore, realistically, neither of those at .08. The OP gambled and lost, and will pay the consequences, but the amount of ire he is drawing from ATOT, while not surprising, is misplaced.

How do you know mister Al Coholic wasn't also messing with his radio, talking on his phone, or yelling at a fussy kid in the back seat? Drivers are certainly dangerous when doing those things sober, but much more so when drunk.

Absolutely. All forms of impairment compound on each other. Again...the point is that everyone here attacking him has done something that has impaired their driving, yet they still sit up on that high horse, looking down and pointing fingers. Hypocrites.
 
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D1gger

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with my weight, i can drink up to 2 an hour and still blow a .070. Fucking .001 over, my luck is fucked.

Obviously you can't.

Sorry you got caught for so little over the limit, but you were taking a chance to be drinking any amount and driving on St. Patty's day.

Hope it doesn't play out too bad for you.
 
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