DUI laws have been changed...

[Frenchie]

That's right folks. Up until this point the federal government has allowed states to determine what the appropriate BAC is for its' citizens. No more. The federal government has just given all states an ultimatum: change your laws to consider a .08 BAC to be the legal limit for DUI or else lose your federal highway funding. Right now 31 states have BAC limits other than .08 (many are .10). They gave a similar ultimatum in regard to the speed limit: 65mph max or else you lose the funding.

[soapbox] Sorry, I think this is wrong. DUI laws are state based. The state sets the elements of the crime and they set the penalties. If the federal government wants this to be a country wide law, then they should make it a law. They should not blackmail states into modifying their laws. The state should be allowed to have the right to set a BAC which properly reflects the sentiments of it's citizens.

Although I in NO WAY condone driving while impaired or intoxicated, I still believe that .08 is too low. For the average person that means that if you have two beers with dinner (assuming 45 min.s for dinner), you cant get in your car and drive home! WTF!?! [/soapbox]

 

[Russ]

Frenchie,

Are you surprised? Federal Piggie shredded the Tenth Amendment many years ago.

Russ, NCNE

 

[403Forbidden]

<< They should not blackmail states into modifying their laws. >>




Uh, what the Federal Government is doing is not blackmail.


A State is not penalized if they choose to set a high
alcohol limit.

If a State wants Federal money, then they have to comply with
Federal rules. No one is forcing the State to comply with the
Federal rule.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< If the States do nothing, they are not penalized. If the states lower
the alcohol limit, they get extra money. How is that blackmail? >>



It was money the states had received before with no strings attached. Maybe you don't understand the definition of blackmail.

 

[Frenchie]

Russ: So true...

403Forbidden: I would disagree. The states are getting the funding right now. They will LOSE the funding if they do not comply. Hey...kinda sounds like the Borg! It reminds me of a Rider to a Bill. You want me to pass your Bill? Well, ok, but only if you accept a Rider.

Edit: Ya beat me to it Psychoholic!

 

[403Forbidden]

You guys are assuming that the States had an
inherent right to use Federal money for State projects
in the first place.

States HAVE never had an inherent right to use Federal money
to fund State projects. States must &quot;earn&quot; Federal money
by either passing test, qualifications, abiding by rules, etc.

So the rules change....stop whining.

Anyways, all you sovereign citizens of (insert your state here)
should be happy...you guys always whine about anything invovling
Federal Government. Lobby your State politicians to ignore Federal money.

 

[Frenchie]

Even assuming, arguendo, that that is correct, I still believe that the federal goverment should not penalize states for not doing something (in effect enacting a federal law) that subsumes a states police powers. The only reason they did it this way (threatening funding) is because if they tried to enact a federal law it would be unconstitutional for treading on the states' police powers.

 

[Russ]

<< States HAVE never had an inherent right to use Federal money
to fund State projects >>



That's good, since Federal Piggy never had the right to steal the money in the first place. Read the Constitution.

Russ, NCNE

 

[BoberFett]

403Forbidden

WTF do you mean federal money? There's no such thing, that's MY money b!tch. Those pig-fsckers in DC just think they have a right to my things.

Where the hell do you think federal money comes from? Some magical place in the sky? No, they take it by force from citizens from the sovereign states in order to fund their pet projects.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

I heard that it was more like 4 drinks in an hour. You probably won't be hearing from many Canadians on the subject. Think thats what the limit is up there already

 

[403Forbidden]

<< WTF do you mean federal money? There's no such thing, that's MY money b!tch. Those pig-fsckers in DC just think they have a right to my things. >>




Yeah..&quot;your money&quot; that goes to fund FEDERAL PROGRAMS = FEDERAL MONEY

FEDERAL MONEY funds programs like the UNITED STATES MILITARY that protects sorry a$$es who whine about how the governement is ripping them off.

Your STATE TAXES fund STATE PROGRAMS

If you want FEDERAL MONEY to fund STATE PROGRAMS, stop whining
about the rules.

 

[Frenchie]

If I remember the DUI course correctly (given to LEO's, DA's, and certain criminal court personnell), the average person (average weight and tolerance) can breakdown one drink per hour. Each drink will bring your BAC to .05.

 

[thebestMAX]

Bobber-

Well I see 403 is up to his usual in another thread.

I wonder why he supports the Federal Govt sooo much, Hell, I think he thinks he IS the Federal Govt.

Do you think he could even write a post if the word WHINE was taken out of the language?

 

[Frenchie]

403:

I think the framers of the Constitution would disagree. The federal government was set up as a governemt with minimal power. It was to be supported by the states citizens to help the collective states with inter-state issues such as trade, general welfare (military), etc. All that &quot;federal money&quot; is State citizens money. They are currently trying to use State citizens money to take away a part of each State's (constitutionally protected) police power.

 

[Tripleshot]

Psychoholic

<<It was money the states had received before with no strings attached. Maybe you don't understand the definition of blackmail. >>

Since there is not a federal officer stationed at every gas station to collect the federal highway tax from every gallon of gas you pay for, like they may do in some 3rd world country some of you seem to want to live in,(based on your insecent bashing of your own government)the states collect that tax as well as any other federal tax and transfer it to the appropriate agencys to provide you with the services alot of you seem to just take for granted.

It's not Blackmail. It's business. You want nice highways,drink one less beer an hour before you get behind the wheel, and pay your taxes.

Then you can bitch about how your friggen state government took that return of highway funds an put it into the general fund to be used for whatever the friggen state wants to use it for. I guess none of you are from Illinois. More fvcking potholes in the road than anywhere becuase crooked republican CONSERVITVE politicians write into state law the loopholes to take federal money and divert it to there pet projects.

Doubt me? Line up MOFOS and get your ass handed to you. Especially you whining bellyaching wimps that cant say a gawdamn thing without castigating someone and touting your ignorant LIBERAL labeling of anyone who is not to the far right wing &quot;get the hell out of america before it's to late,I gotta gun so watch my badass&quot;

You uneducted dolts really get on my nerves.:|:|:|:|:|

 

[Psychoholic]

<< You want nice highways,drink one less beer an hour before you get behind the wheel, and pay your taxes. >>


You missed my point with that statement. I could care less whether the limits at .08 or .1, I have a problem with the fact they are witholding money.



<< I guess none of you are from Illinois. More fvcking potholes in the road than anywhere >>


That's a pretty broad statement. Are you sure you want to say anywhere??? (Note: I'm refering to roads that are designated state mantained)



<< touting your ignorant LIBERAL labeling of anyone who is not to the far right wing &quot;get the hell out of america before it's to late,I gotta gun so watch my badass >>


Exactly who did I label???



<< You uneducted dolts really get on my nerves. >>


Pardon me, I didn't see the Harvard degree sticking out of your ass.

 

[Tripleshot]

Psychoholic

I didn't miss anything Bubba. You called it blackmail. You did not elude to state funded roads.

This thread is about bitching that your alcohol connsumption laws in your state may cause you to lose federal funding. Or that you won't be legal after the 5th beer in an hour on an empty stomach to get behind the wheel. Poor,poor pitiful me
Every state in the union has an interstate federal funded highway connected. It was built not for commerce and you to take weekend trips to the beach.It was built for national defense.It is supported almost 100% on highway fuel taxes truckers and trucking firms pay so you don't have those pot holes and the roads are maintained for your SAFETY!!!

This thread is about bashing 403 for pointing out the obvious to you lame dick mother fvckers who keep bashing him with your right wing &quot;I'm smarter than you,Im a conservitive&quot; attitude .

You will never see a diploma hanging out of my ass.Its on the wall.You would have to pull your head out of your ass to notice.:|

 

[Psychoholic]

<< I didn't miss anything Bubba. >>


Evidently you did Leroy.



<< This thread is about bitching that your alcohol connsumption laws in your state may cause you to lose federal funding. >>


Your right about one thing it is about bitching, bitching that the federal government is taking away the powers of the states.



<< This thread is about bashing 403 for pointing out the obvious to you lame dick mother fvckers who keep bashing him with your right wing &quot;I'm smarter than you,Im a conservitive&quot; attitude . >>


You can ask FettsBabe tonight when she gets back from California, I don't have a &quot;lame dick&quot; problem. Maybe you're hinting around in a subconscious way about your shortcomings.



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[Tripleshot]

Psychoholic

Petition your state if you have a problem with this law. You live in a very nice place.Your roads are in pretty good shape.Your law enforcement officers do a pretty good job maintaining law and order on those highways.And guesss what?

They get money from Federal Highway Taxes!!!! Is it better you get one more drink than to have your alcohol BAC reduced to .08 so you can drive home drunk from Roscoes Tavern?


Cute diploma. No, I never heard of that place. But it did make me chuckle.

 

[chess9]

I think this is best left to the states, but I would set it at .05.

I can think of no reason why anyone should have more than one drink and be allowed to drive. Furthermore, I would take the driver's license of those convicted of DUI for 3 years for a first conviction and allow NO plea bargaining. Second offense and jail for one year and you lose your license for life.

What's the difference between killing someone with your car and killing them with a gun, other than the intent? The victim is just as dead either way.

Furthermore, DUI is not taken seriously by all judges. That's why the Congress passed the law. Too many drunk drivers having 3rd, 4th and 5th convictions before they are finally taken off the road. Every state has its horror stories.

This is one instance, though, when the conservatives are right. Leave it to the states.

 

[vi edit]

.05 may be taking it a little too far. I feel that .08 is a decent place. As a 22 year old who drinks fairly often and I really don't have a problem with the federal gubment strongarming the states to change it.

I guess that I have enough self control and and don't worry about putting away my pride and handing the keys over when I've had a few too many. I just wish that the states would really put the hurt down on the rat bastards that get a DUI or two and still continue to drive.

My uncle was killed by a drunk driver who had a suspended license for guess what...Drunk driving!
This murderer got 12 years. He was out in 7 because of good behavior. It's just not fsucking right.

The states need to grow some hair on their balls and stick these turds away for a long time. Hell, I say put them to work, and make them pay their damn costs so that I don't have too.

GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!:| :| :|

 

[Tripleshot]

chess9


I agree to a great extent.The effort is to have those states come into compiance with a uniform standard of .08 from .10. It is sensible for all the .10 states to do so,but they have conveniently left that issue off the table in thier legislatures. This puts it back on the table,and in an effective way.

States have a responsibility for inacting laws to keep thier citizens safe from harm. If the studies show that .10 is too much for someone to get behind the wheel and drive,the federal government has the responsibility to step in and insure that the laws are changed to a better standard. They did. Thats why we elect or senators and congressmen. They voted for this or the law would not pass. We have a representitive government. This is obviously an area that needed attention,and it got it. hooray for the system. The very system so many here want to dismantle.

Truckers btw, have a diiferent standard. WE also carry a federal liscense. Our standard for bac is .04. And if you have any drink,you can not operate a motor vehicle for 12 hours afteryour last drink.
Think of that next time you see a driver of an 18 wheeler.

 

[chess9]

Tripleshot:

Heck, that sounds like a great rule for everyone else as well. But don't hold your breath. The liquor and restaurant industries would croak.

 

[BoberFett]

<< States have a responsibility for inacting laws to keep thier citizens safe from harm. If the studies show that .10 is too much for someone to get behind the wheel and drive,the federal government has the responsibility to step in and insure that the laws are changed to a better standard. >>

The federal goverment has no such responsibility. You just made that up, try again buddy.

 

[vi edit]

Not too mention the $$ that the gubment receives from alcohol taxes