Duke Nukem Forever on Steam

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mindcycle

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Not sure if this has been posted, but Ars Technica reviewed the game yesterday.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/revie...-playable-unfunny-and-rampantly-offensive.ars

To sum it up: Kuchera thinks the game is "putrid."

Wow, I just read through the Ars review. I've played maybe an hour and a half so far and it's really not as offensive as he makes it out to be. Plus, it's a video game. It's not meant to be taken seriously.. The humor is clearly outdated and childish, but if you take it seriously I feel bad for you.

I typically enjoy and agree with Ars Technica game reviews but this one was pretty blown out of proportion IMO.
 
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Oh, I'll play it... Just not for $50...

I'm surprised that you would say the graphics look great though. Unless they drastically improved the graphics from the demo, I just don't see how anyone could argue that angle.



Haven't people been saying for weeks that the demo is old and not representative of the game at all??
 

apoppin

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Wow, I just read through the Ars review. I've played maybe an hour and a half so far and it's really not as offensive as he makes it out to be. Plus, it's a video game. It's not meant to be taken seriously.. The humor is clearly outdated and childish, but if you take it seriously I feel bad for you.

I typically enjoy and agree with Ars Technica game reviews but this one was pretty blown out of proportion IMO.
He needs both hands to pull the stick outta his .. self-righteous indignation.
^_^

He is bitter because he is still living in the past 15 years ago and is an embittered fan of the original. i never played the original so i had NO expectations whatsoever (actually, i sorta expected to dislike it) and am being pleasantly surprised.

This reminds me of DeuSex when Invisible War came out. The original was awesome and the sequel less so - but that does not mean that IW is a bad game - it just can never meet expectations ... and i expect the same bitterness for Human Revolution, not matter how good it is.

it seems to me like the Christians were expecting Jesus and got the Anti-Christ instead
--- i'll keep an open mind; it might be fun
:biggrin:

And when i said the graphics were "great", it was a reaction to the Xbox'ers and their crappy graphics and painful load times. Good for 'em.
 
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ImpulsE69

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<3 TF2. So much better than TFC. In fact, I'd say TFC isn't TF. It should be called "bunny hop with guns". Umad?

Until the 10 year old ending at the end of that statement, I probably would have discussed your difference in opinion.
 

greenhawk

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Not sure if this has been posted, but Ars Technica reviewed the game yesterday.

I read that review (have already played and finished the game).

Some of the things they complain about is laughable. Espically the "glowing interactive items". Serious, did they even bother to check the settings?

The game plays a lot better with a we adjustments, #1 being turning off hints. The game should get a plus for allowing that sort of change seeing as most other "cross platform" games turn it on with no way to change it.

Looking at the comment about the twins when they were last seen to me appears like the reviewer should have taken time out at some point instead of just playing to finish it.

Personally, a 7/10 game. Some things were wrong / I disliked, but I do not feel ripped off with playing the asking price at release. Not like some over the last few years.
 

Texashiker

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<3 TF2. So much better than TFC. In fact, I'd say TFC isn't TF. It should be called "bunny hop with guns". Umad?

I'm sorry but TF2 is not TF. I don't care how popular it is, it is not the same game.

My original comment was not about tf2 being a real team fortress game, but that a game can take 10 years to develop and still receive good reviews.

Lets not turn this into a tf2 VS tfc thread, there are people that like both. Personally, I prefer Fortress Forever over tf2.

In relation to long development times and games not being to live up to expectations, just because a game takes a long time to develop does not mean its going to be bad.

It appears that DNF is a failure all the way around. Whether their new school or old school players, nobody seems to be happy with the end result.
 

sandorski

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The haters are the ones who will never play it and they are taking embittered reviewers word for it (on XBox360, no less with Slow-ass load times and crap graphics to boot - nothing like the PC version evidently on a decent system)

It LOOKS great .. it is funny and IRREVERENT and it INTENDS to OFFEND
- what is not to like about that?

i think some of the reviewers with ultra-unrealistic expectations and haters who will never play it, need to get a stick outta their keisters and admit they are getting OLD
^_^

The Reviews I have read have all been focused, it seems, on the type(Toilet) of humour. Apparently, Reviewers are above that and have to blast the game on everything else as a consequence. They clearly have no idea or simply just forgot what made Duke3D so awesome to begin with.

To paraphrase McLuhan: The one-liners are the Game.
 

Soundmanred

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The haters are the ones who will never play it and they are taking embittered reviewers word for it (on XBox360, no less with Slow-ass load times and crap graphics to boot - nothing like the PC version evidently on a decent system)

It LOOKS great .. it is funny and IRREVERENT and it INTENDS to OFFEND
- what is not to like about that?

i think some of the reviewers with ultra-unrealistic expectations and haters who will never play it, need to get a stick outta their keisters and admit they are getting OLD
^_^


I don't believe this is true. I had no real expectations and I judge games based on their merits without regard to any other game and I found it to be mediocre apart from the Duke nostalgia at the beginning and the load times. The actual gameplay mechanics (which I find to be most important) were woefully inadequate for a modern game, no matter who the main character is.
They could have taken more time (insert old Duke Nukem development time joke here) and actually made a good game, if not a great game. They could have kept all of the good elements from this game that makes Duke great (the juvenile humor, one liners, adult content) and made a better FPS to build it on.
I simply don't believe it's getting bad reviews everywhere because of the Duke name alone. It's just a poor game with a few fun elements thrown in to keep players satisfied enough while they make a better game.
 

apoppin

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. . . The actual gameplay mechanics (which I find to be most important) were woefully inadequate for a modern game . ..
i removed all of the excess verbage from your quote and tried to get to the kernel

What "gameplay mechanics" are inadequate for a "modern game"?
I find the game to be a lot of fun - very much like a Serious Sam game; and i am looking forward to finishing it tonight.

^_^
 

0roo0roo

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Wow, I just read through the Ars review. I've played maybe an hour and a half so far and it's really not as offensive as he makes it out to be. Plus, it's a video game. It's not meant to be taken seriously.. The humor is clearly outdated and childish, but if you take it seriously I feel bad for you.

I typically enjoy and agree with Ars Technica game reviews but this one was pretty blown out of proportion IMO.

eh i'm pretty sure i've read stuff by that "ben" guy at ars where he takes offence pretty damn easily before, very thin skin pc guy.
 

Crow550

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Haven't installed it yet. I think if the game was $20 like Serious Sam it would get more praise. Which is really what the game feels like based on videos I have seen.

If you can get it for $20 or lower go ahead.

Now compared to Serious Sam I am sure Serious Sam wins just with the fact that co-op is really fun.

Really the people that have waited so long will own this game and maybe are happy with it? This game is gonna sell well enough for Gearbox to work on there own sequel.

It irks me that everyone forgets that After Duke 3D we got two titles on PSone: Duke Nukem Time To Kill & Land Of The Babes and 1 on N64: Duke Nukem Zero Hour as well as on PC: Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project.


So how does Duke Forever stack against those?

Duke has always been collecting keycards & killing enemys while quipping one liners in a linear fashion in a perverted world.
 
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The more I think about it, it seems as though a software shop got the project and it's development files. They did what they could do to complete it and get it out.

With a little luck, they will do another from scratch. But they will do it as a proper sequel in a timely manner.

What I am getting at is that this game had alot of money thrown at it and there was something there. And the development house that had it wanted to recoup something, even at a loss, and move on.
 

Fhistleb

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In all honesty I expected this. DNF isn't a bad game, you all had wonky views of how you thought it should be.

7.5/10
 

Fritzo

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Just finished the first two chapters. LOLed a lot. The game is choppy and unpolished, but Duke is all there
 

Soundmanred

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i removed all of the excess verbage from your quote and tried to get to the kernel
What "gameplay mechanics" are inadequate for a "modern game"?
I find the game to be a lot of fun - very much like a Serious Sam game; and i am looking forward to finishing it tonight.

^_^

It's too straightforward, killing isn't fun (there's no feeling of power from your guns), there's just not alot to it. It just feels unfinished and bland with stuff tacked on for no reason.
It looks, feels and sounds like a 2005 game, that's the best way I can explain it. To me that's not acceptable, whether it's a big name title or not.
If this was the first game from a publisher with a no-
name main character doing the exact same thing, it would be shot down in a second.
I thought it was humorous and had some interesting moments, but overall it disappointed.
As you said it intends to offend, but most of the subject material that was offensive stopped being offensive years ago. It's an R-rated movie in 2000, but a PG one in 2011.
I am glad people are buying it, as I want them to make a good one, a real Duke Nuke game, but at the same time I don't want them to think for a second that this is acceptable for $50-$60.
 
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Crow550

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Maybe they will release some patches to fix some of these issues. Gearbox is pretty good.
 

gothamhunter

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Until the 10 year old ending at the end of that statement, I probably would have discussed your difference in opinion.

That's because the statement was for funnies I was purposely attempting to get some crazy feedback, like when I said Planescape: Torment sucked
 

apoppin

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It's too straightforward, killing isn't fun (there's no feeling of power from your guns), there's just not alot to it. It just feels unfinished and bland with stuff tacked on for no reason.
It looks, feels and sounds like a 2005 game, that's the best way I can explain it. To me that's not acceptable, whether it's a big name title or not.
If this was the first game from a publisher with a no-
name main character doing the exact same thing, it would be shot down in a second.
I thought it was humorous and had some interesting moments, but overall it disappointed.
As you said it intends to offend, but most of the subject material that was offensive stopped being offensive years ago. It's an R-rated movie in 2000, but a PG one in 2011.
I am glad people are buying it, as I want them to make a good one, a real Duke Nuke game, but at the same time I don't want them to think for a second that this is acceptable for $50-$60.
2005? Huh?

Letsee, F.E.A.R. is from '05; PainKiller and Half-Life 2 is '04 along with Vampire tMB - superb games were released in 05 and before that that still haven't been surpassed.

It obviously DID offend - read the prude at ARSTechnica's review. He is obviously offended by PG-13 - according to you.
- and M-f'er is not a PG-13 word along with much of DNF.

What was tacked on? The mini-Duke and the RTC were fun; the bosses are big and badass and the puzzles are there but not too annoying and easy to figure out (for a FPS).

killing isn't fun (there's no feeling of power from your guns)
WtH are you babbling about? Did you play only with the pistol and the shotgun. There is a LOT of variety in the guns and there is real satisfaction *executing* one of the pigs or ripping the pipes out of a boss. The only issue might be that you have to choose wisely (as in Bulletstorm) as you can only carry a couple of them at a time.
^_^

All i can see is you being *disappointed* in a long-delayed Duke sequel
- NO, i wouldn't pay $55 neither ... but it is a very good bargain bin game and it is holding my interest and pissing me off when i get killed. i want to see what is next. i am moving my rating up from 6.5 to a 7 (so far, it seems to be less than half over). i will probably finish it tonight (Alice comes tomorrow for me to review)
 
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Soundmanred

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2005? Huh?

Letsee, F.E.A.R. is from '05; PainKiller and Half-Life 2 is '04 along with Vampire tMB - superb games were released in 05 and before that that still haven't been surpassed. Those are great games, but that was not my point. Maybe thaey have not been surpassed in gameplay, but in look, feel and sound they have.

It obviously DID offend - read the prude at ARSTechnica's review. He is obviously offended by PG-13 - according to you. Some people will be offended by anything, I had no problem with the game's "offensive" stuff as I've seen it many times before.
- and M-f'er is not a PG-13 word along with much of DNF.
My usage of "R" and "PG" was more public perception, not strict movie standards.
Things are simply more acceptable now, especially now that games are more realistic. Every chick in a game has her (usually large) breasts barely covered, if at all. I think GTA4 is more vulgar than this because it's more realistic.

What was tacked on? The mini-Duke and the RTC were fun; the bosses are big and badass and the puzzles are there but not too annoying and easy to figure out (for a FPS). The white board, the autograph, stuff that in a good game people might think "wow, great detail". Here it just seems tacked on. Mini-Duke was cool, but the RC car segment lasted longer than I wanted it to and was ready for it to end way before it did.


WtH are you babbling about? Did you play only with the pistol and the shotgun. Nope.
There is a LOT of variety in the guns and there is real satisfaction *executing* one of the pigs or ripping the pipes out of a boss. The only issue might be that you have to choose wisely (as in Bulletstorm) as you can only carry a couple of them at a time.

I'll admit I hate QT events, they do not give me any pleasure at all rapidly pushing a button until it lets me stop. Especially for just lifting a gate. Once maybe, but not for every encounter.

All i can see is you being *disappointed* in a long-delayed Duke sequel
If you had read my previous posts, I had nothing invested in this going into it.

- NO, i wouldn't pay $55 either ... but it is a very good bargain bin game and it is holding my interest and pissing me off when i get killed. Maybe this is where the problem lies. If you had paid $50-$60 for it you would most likely be more disappointed. I will agree that it is a decent game for $15-$20 tops. To not include bang for the buck when reviewing would be a great disservice. There are games I've borrowed from friends in the past and thought "that was pretty good, but I never would have bought it." I would have felt that way about DNF if I had borrowed it and not paid for it.

I know Gearbox can do better, and I hope they will next time around.
 
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eLiu

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Gameplay:
one of the things that made duke3d awesome was the ability to explore and access "secret areas" or whatever they were called. The maps didn't have that many ways to get from point A to ___ (e.g., the keycard) to point B, but there were more places to go. This game likes to force you down the one path, and if you don't follow it, you run into roadblocks, invincible enemies, etc.

There are so many turret sequences. These are boring. Also why can't Duke piss on the overheating barrel or something, geez.

Power armor is for pussies... but still have regenerating health. Which in turn encourages you to move from cover to cover, shoot & hide, etc. Not very Duke-like. Duke can take 20 rockets to the face and shotgun blasts to the balls and keep on rocking.

Guns:
He's fucking DUKE! He can carry 1000 guns with 100000 rounds of ammo each, COME ON. Two guns is ridiculous. Now as you walk along, the "right" gun(s) for the next section are laying on the ground waiting for you. What's the fun in that? Why not let players carry every weapon and use them at their discretion? On that note, why the hell does the RPG only get 5 rounds? FIVE! WEAK. Even the devastator gets more and that shit fires basically the same rockets. But yeah I digress: two weapons is bullshit. Not Duke at all. What the hell, was that to appease the console weenies? B/c it's too hard to scroll through 20 guns on a console? Lame.

Most of the weapons are from Duke3D. Really? Couldn't have given us something new? The rail gun is pretty generic and boring. The alien weapon is cool though. That said the guns are loud and the kills are satisfying. I would've liked more blood & dismemberment. I don't feel like aliens fragmented very much unless I shot the dead corpses.

"Mouse precision" is the devil.

Mighty Boot! WHERE ARE YOUUUUUU? Slapping guys with weapon butts is weak compared to kicking them in the face. Some gory melee would've been sweet. Or more variety in the finishing moves.


Yeah the humor & aesthetics are Duke. I think this game tries a little hard at times to be offensive but hey I laughed so it's good . That ars-tech guy is a bit too uptight and seems to forget that its a game. Besides his whining about offensiveness though, I agree w/him 100&#37;. So yay humor/aesthetics, but the gameplay & game design are not Duke. They have some Duke features, but those features have been thrown into a tubgirl with common traits of more recent shooters, blended together, and shat right back out.

I'm not sure this game is truly awful or anything like that. But it isn't great either. Like it's not so good that I would play a second time. It's not so bad or annoying that I wouldn't play a first time. It's pretty meh, average. Enjoyable at times, some memorable moments, but on a whole nothing special. Duke3D was a much better game, and I think the game designers would've done well to borrowed more from it (more than 2 weapons jesus christ).
 

Soundmanred

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Gameplay:
one of the things that made duke3d awesome was the ability to explore and access "secret areas" or whatever they were called. The maps didn't have that many ways to get from point A to ___ (e.g., the keycard) to point B, but there were more places to go. This game likes to force you down the one path, and if you don't follow it, you run into roadblocks, invincible enemies, etc.

There are so many turret sequences. These are boring. Also why can't Duke piss on the overheating barrel or something, geez.

Power armor is for pussies... but still have regenerating health. Which in turn encourages you to move from cover to cover, shoot & hide, etc. Not very Duke-like. Duke can take 20 rockets to the face and shotgun blasts to the balls and keep on rocking.

Guns:
He's fucking DUKE! He can carry 1000 guns with 100000 rounds of ammo each, COME ON. Two guns is ridiculous. Now as you walk along, the "right" gun(s) for the next section are laying on the ground waiting for you. What's the fun in that? Why not let players carry every weapon and use them at their discretion? On that note, why the hell does the RPG only get 5 rounds? FIVE! WEAK. Even the devastator gets more and that shit fires basically the same rockets. But yeah I digress: two weapons is bullshit. Not Duke at all. What the hell, was that to appease the console weenies? B/c it's too hard to scroll through 20 guns on a console? Lame.

Most of the weapons are from Duke3D. Really? Couldn't have given us something new? The rail gun is pretty generic and boring. The alien weapon is cool though. That said the guns are loud and the kills are satisfying. I would've liked more blood & dismemberment. I don't feel like aliens fragmented very much unless I shot the dead corpses.

"Mouse precision" is the devil.

Mighty Boot! WHERE ARE YOUUUUUU? Slapping guys with weapon butts is weak compared to kicking them in the face. Some gory melee would've been sweet. Or more variety in the finishing moves.


Yeah the humor & aesthetics are Duke. I think this game tries a little hard at times to be offensive but hey I laughed so it's good . That ars-tech guy is a bit too uptight and seems to forget that its a game. Besides his whining about offensiveness though, I agree w/him 100%. So yay humor/aesthetics, but the gameplay & game design are not Duke. They have some Duke features, but those features have been thrown into a tubgirl with common traits of more recent shooters, blended together, and shat right back out.

I'm not sure this game is truly awful or anything like that. But it isn't great either. Like it's not so good that I would play a second time. It's not so bad or annoying that I wouldn't play a first time. It's pretty meh, average. Enjoyable at times, some memorable moments, but on a whole nothing special. Duke3D was a much better game, and I think the game designers would've done well to borrowed more from it (more than 2 weapons jesus christ).

You just don't understand the game!! RAWR!
 
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