Duke Nukem Forever on Steam

[apoppin]

Assuming you're not talking to pirates, they're probably mostly just miffed they paid (near) full price for it. Fair or not, that drastically effects impressions.

At $50, most people aren't going to be satisfied with anything less than a B to B plus kind of game.

I sure wouldn't be.

i am also talking about reviewers that got their game for free (like i did). The members here who actually (bought and) played the game, seemed to like it (as evidenced by their posts). There was even a thread debating that it was a bad - the only ones "hating" it, never played it - they just parroted the reviewers who seemed to have an axe to grind.

Getting a game "free" (and there is no such thing as free; i had to review DNF for my site once i agreed to accept the game) does not affect my impression of it at all. If it were really a "2", i would not have even bothered to complete it (and would have done a performance evaluation of it instead) and would have blasted the game.

DNF held my interest all the way through. It is nothing special; (7/10) C to C+ - but it is not a bad game nor does it deserve the vitriol aimed at it.

 

[Soundmanred]

i am also talking about reviewers that got their game for free (like i did). The members here who actually (bought and) played the game, seemed to like it (as evidenced by their posts). There was even a thread debating that it was a bad - the only ones "hating" it, never played it - they just parroted the reviewers who seemed to have an axe to grind.

Getting a game "free" (and there is no such thing as free; i had to review DNF for my site once i agreed to accept the game) does not affect my impression of it at all. If it were really a "2", i would not have even bothered to complete it (and would have done a performance evaluation of it instead) and would have blasted the game.

DNF held my interest all the way through. It is nothing special; (7/10) C to C+ - but it is not a bad game nor does it deserve the vitriol aimed at it.

You're forgetting me.
I paid full price and couldn't even get myself to keep playing and finish it. I simply didn't think it was good enough to warrant playing all the way through.
Again, I had no expectations, I didn't mind the graphics, the juvenile humor didn't offend me I didn't find it hilarious, but mildy funny) or any of that. I just didn't think it was good enough to finish.

 

[apoppin]

You're forgetting me.
I paid full price and couldn't even get myself to keep playing and finish it. I simply didn't think it was good enough to warrant playing all the way through.
Again, I had no expectations, I didn't mind the graphics, the juvenile humor didn't offend me I didn't find it hilarious, but mildy funny) or any of that. I just didn't think it was good enough to finish.

How far did you get? Once i got outside the Casino, it got better. i hated the RTC adventure.

And that is *exactly* how i felt about Alice 1/4 of the way through. If i couldn't edit the ini files, it would have been finished at Chapter 2 and i would have only done a performance evaluation instead of a forthcoming full game review.

Obviously a game will not appeal to everyone. But you also did not have the hatred for DNF that many of the posters and many professional reviewers appear to share.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

How far did you get? Once i got outside the Casino, it got better. i hated the RTC adventure.

And that is *exactly* how i felt about Alice 1/4 of the way through. If i couldn't edit the ini files, it would have been finished at Chapter 2 and i would have only done a performance evaluation instead of a forthcoming full game review.

Obviously a game will not appeal to everyone. But you also did not have the hatred for DNF that many of the posters and many professional reviewers appear to share.

So people that aren't invested find it to just be bad, and people emotionally invested find it to be terrible... That's still not a very encouraging.

 

[Soundmanred]

How far did you get?

And that is *exactly* how i felt about Alice 1/4 of the way through.

I had to look up the name, and realized I was more than halfway through. (The level after the dam).

Alice made me want to keep going despite the game's shortcomings, Duke made me want to give up permanently and not loook back.

 

[apoppin]

So people that aren't invested find it to just be bad, and people emotionally invested find it to be terrible... That's still not a very encouraging.

It's an average mindless shooter very much like Serious Sam series - or the older games like Quake and Doom. If you don't like those kinds of games, you probably won't like DNF.

Alice made me want to keep going despite the game's shortcomings, Duke made me want to give up permanently and not loook back.

i felt pretty much the opposite. i wanted to play through DNF and just walk through Alice to see the art, the level design and the ending.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It's an average mindless shooter very much like Serious Sam series - or the older games like Quake and Doom. If you don't like those kinds of games, you probably won't like DNF.

Everything I've seen has implied it's more like CoD or Halo than quake or the original duke 3d.

 

[apoppin]

Everything I've seen has implied it's more like CoD or Halo than quake or the original duke 3d.

It rips on all of the shooters - especially HL2. It is far more like Half-Life series and Painkiller than CoD; there is no realism of war - DNF is over the top and the hero is almost cartoonish and larger than life.

It is an over-the-top shooter with a hero like Serious Sam. The Duke puts out dark corny one liners (like Riddick, and it uses elements of every FPS that i have played). There is really no story (like Borderlands and Bulletstorm, you don't play for the story).

Like most FPSes, it is linear and relies on puzzles and hidden exits to keep you looking (often under fire) while the action is the draw of the game; killing NPCs in many ways and beating bosses to progress to the finale (a big boss battle).

 

[Soundmanred]

I love Serious Sam

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

It rips on all of the shooters - especially HL2. It is far more like Half-Life series and Painkiller than CoD; there is no realism of war - DNF is over the top and the hero is almost cartoonish and larger than life.

The CoD part was more about how incredibly linear it is. The bits I played had that on rails feel CoD 4 has (the only CoD I've played). It might have over the top graphics/humor, but the game play felt far from over the top.

 

[apoppin]

The CoD part was more about how incredibly linear it is. The bits I played had that on rails feel CoD 4 has (the only CoD I've played). It might have over the top graphics/humor, but the game play felt far from over the top.

Most shooters in the old school style are linear including Serious Sam and Half-Life series. The NPC enemies in DNF are varied enough to be different and they mob you - and you have the over-the-top weaponry to deal with them; only caveat being that you choose to carry two (of more than a dozen weapons) at a time just like in Bulletstorm (another linear game that got fairly good reviews). Instead of health packs and stations, you have an Ego bar which suits Duke perfectly.

I love Serious Sam

i really like the First and Second Encounters - including the 2010 HD graphical remakes. However, not Serious Sam Two which was a real parody of itself; it also took itself more seriously than either of the first two games (and DNF does not take itself seriously even though it parodies the earlier Duke games also).

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Most shooters in the old school style are linear including Serious Sam and Half-Life series. The NPC enemies in DNF are varied enough to be different and they mob you - and you have the over-the-top weaponry to deal with them; only caveat being that you choose to carry two (of more than a dozen weapons) at a time just like in Bulletstorm (another linear game that got fairly good reviews). Instead of health packs and stations, you have an Ego bar which suits Duke perfectly.

No most old school shooters had some wiggle room to look around. CoD4/DNF it feels like there isn't a real left or right in the game just straight ahead with an illusion of making turns.

 

[apoppin]

No most old school shooters had some wiggle room to look around. CoD4/DNF it feels like there isn't a real left or right in the game just straight ahead with an illusion of making turns.

It didn't feel that way to me at all with DNF - you have to figure out where to go and often there is a puzzle element to solve before proceeding. There was interaction with the environment and you could play pool, pinball and slots in mini-games.

It was definitely linear but it left a little room for exploration. Bulletstorm felt just as linear - even more so than DNF perhaps. The story was also silly.

 

[Fritzo]

It didn't feel that way to me at all with DNF - you have to figure out where to go and often there is a puzzle element to solve before proceeding. There was interaction with the environment and you could play pool, pinball and slots in mini-games.

It was definitely linear but it left a little room for exploration. Bulletstorm felt just as linear - even more so than DNF perhaps. The story was also silly.

Duke: "I HATE Valve puzzles."

 

[Bonesdad]

this argument is going well, how bout we turn our attention toward the Israeli/Palestine conflict and see how we do there?

 

[finbarqs]

what are your thoughts after beating the game?

 

[apoppin]

what are your thoughts after beating the game?

i wrote an entire review on it. i liked it (overall C+; 70/100) and i gave many reasons why.
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i am looking forward to further games in the DNF franchise as they update it.

 

[WelshBloke]

i wrote an entire review on it. i liked it (overall C+; 70/100) and i gave many reasons why.
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i am looking forward to further games in the DNF franchise as they update it.

When they aren't that great we'll tell you off for having expectations that are too high.

 

[apoppin]

When they aren't that great we'll tell you off for having expectations that are too high.

i don't seem to suffer from these issues with PC games.
-there are SO many games to look forward to, if one disappoints - i will survive

i just like to point out that DNF is an average shooter - not a terrible one as the haters would have you believe

And now i got to write an Alice review tonight
:whiste:

 

[WelshBloke]

i don't seem to suffer from these issues with PC games.
-there are SO many games to look forward to, if one disappoints - i will survive

i just like to point out that DNF is an average shooter - not a terrible one as the haters would have you believe

And now i got to write an Alice review tonight
:whiste:

I dont think many people disagree with you.

The problem is it costs the same as a AAA title and its marketed as one. You cant be surprised when people are disappointed its not one.

The idea of a Duke game being a bit crap is horrible to a lot of us. It was expected after the development hell but its still disappointing.

 

[finbarqs]

i'm currently playing alice... and trying to enjoy it as much as I can... When I first started the game, I was amazed by the art direction. Then it got annoying. Then I relied solely on the story to get me through. Then it was the nude patch. Now, I've invested too much time in it, I can't go back...

But one thing is for sure: I stopped playing DNF

 

[apoppin]

i'm currently playing alice... and trying to enjoy it as much as I can... When I first started the game, I was amazed by the art direction. Then it got annoying. Then I relied solely on the story to get me through. Then it was the nude patch. Now, I've invested too much time in it, I can't go back...

But one thing is for sure: I stopped playing DNF

DNF is a really short game - compared to Alice. And much easier.
- timing the jumps to invisible moving plaftforms with enemy NPCs shooting at you just got tedious. That is when i decide to stop (Chapter 2) or edit the GravityZ - and then it became nearly a walkthrough - just for the story (and i saw its ending coming at me in Chapter 3 - just like a damned infernal train)
... And after the ending, i seriously doubt you will want the nude patch

i am going to enjoy this review, i think (it will be a game review, but it will explore performance and PhysX plus S3D)

I dont think many people disagree with you.

The problem is it costs the same as a AAA title and its marketed as one. You cant be surprised when people are disappointed its not one.

The idea of a Duke game being a bit crap is horrible to a lot of us. It was expected after the development hell but its still disappointing.

The pro reviewers are who disagreed with me; everyone else jumped on the Hate Bandwagon with them and picked on non-issues.

There are a LOT of (move-related) games marketed as AAA that are absolute garbage. Yet i have not see such hate unleashed since DeuSex IW.

That tells me it was sky-high expectations

i expect the same hate for DeuSex HR and to a lesser extent with Skyrim.
(not so much with Max Payne 3 as II was slightly disappointing; and we already had a comparable turkey from Serious Sam Series). Diablo III *better not* disappoint
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[finbarqs]

barely 18 alice with tits blazing? hell yes

They should just put alice in DNF!

 

[nitromullet]

Picked up Duke this weekend on Steam for $25. Not great, but not as bad as the reviews would lead you to believe. I still stand by my comments earlier in this thread about the graphics though. The graphics are pretty ugly, but there is a decent amount of variation between maps.

I think the worst thing about the game overall is that Duke isn't cool, witty, or funny; he's just an asshole.

 

[Fritzo]

Picked up Duke this weekend on Steam for $25. Not great, but not as bad as the reviews would lead you to believe. I still stand by my comments earlier in this thread about the graphics though. The graphics are pretty ugly, but there is a decent amount of variation between maps.

I think the worst thing about the game overall is that Duke isn't cool, witty, or funny; he's just an asshole.

Oh come on, you're saying you didn't write something hilarious in the book when the kid asked for an autograph, or drew a giant dick on the monster on the whiteboard in the beginning of the game? There was a lot of funnies in it, it's just people have gotten too stuffy and cynical to laugh anymore.